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Post by ldelrossi on Jul 7, 2003 14:05:18 GMT -5
TEXT Happy belated Birthday Dave. Hope you did fun things. I really enjoyed your essay.
Lori
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Post by Karen on Jul 7, 2003 14:06:56 GMT -5
Deborah, I think you should choose 'S'cubie Ambassador' as your title! Ditto, Deborah. Very well written. How could she resist checking the S'cubies out? Patti! Very nice picture. We should all look so good and be so brave to post our real selves! PattiT
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Post by deborah on Jul 7, 2003 14:07:42 GMT -5
The previous picture was 5 years old. I began to feel guilty....this pic is me 1 month ago. The hair looks shorter than it actually is in that picture, and it's longer now. I'll be changing my pic as I continue on my weight loss adventure...that one is 10 lbs less than my convention pics. I'm using this as another incentive thingy. Yay you. Wishing you continued success.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jul 7, 2003 14:12:03 GMT -5
The Angel Speculation thread has been started. I'm taking Laura's suggestion/order/directive and am now compiling the speculations throughout the parts. If anyone remembers where they have posted their speculation, feel free to copy it and post it over on the Speculations thread. Lori has already posted hers. Thanks Lori! *waves* I need to do some more research but I'll keep working on this. In the meantime, the Angel Speculation thread is open for business! Very cool, Lee! I want to stay spoiler free, but speculation is great!
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jul 7, 2003 14:14:09 GMT -5
Ditto, Deborah. Very well written. How could she resist? Patti! Very nice picture. We should all look so good and be so brave to post our real selves! PattiT I figure...I'll see this a lot more than if I put it on the front of the refrigerator! Especially since I'm staying away from the refrigerator....LOL!
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Jul 7, 2003 14:25:38 GMT -5
Your welcome. Oh, speaking of rats, I once had the care of a darling king vulture. He was imprinted and very sweet. Well, when rats were on the menu (I was working with birds of prey at the time) we used to remove certain bits before serving. I would save up all the tails and hand feed them to Papa Bird, the aforementioned king vulture, as a special nummy treat. He would bob his head up and down, make appreciative grunts and slurp them up from my hand like spaghetti. Sooooo adorable. Oh, I see it's gone on 12:30. Ready for lunch Patti? I've seen firsthand what a king vulture can do. Stripped all the meat off a turkey leg in less than 10 seconds. Nice pet.
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Jul 7, 2003 14:25:46 GMT -5
Deborah, you don't necessarily have to claim the title officially to DO it officially. You have my vote! Splendid, courteous, INVITING letter. Have you ever sold encyclopedias door to door? Great cordiality there, and literate comments. Excellent inviting post.
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Jul 7, 2003 14:28:47 GMT -5
And by the way, contrary to a recent post of Diane's, I am TALLER than she is. We asked a perfect stranger to tell us. I won, proving I AM 5'2" and SMG's height. Weight similarity to SMG? Not so much. Rather, more. Of course, Patti omits that she was wearing thick-soled tennis shoes and I was barefoot.
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Post by RAKSHA on Jul 7, 2003 14:31:31 GMT -5
Hey, I just read that Daniel Erenberg/Stacey Kupersmith point counterpoint article on Slayage.com and the latest comments it generated. There is a comment posted today from a woman named Mary that prompted me to send her an Email inviting her to check us out. Please make her welcome if she shows. Here is her comment and also, what has become my fairly standard invitiation: Where to start? first, this is REALLY LONG>>>> so - WARNING ON LENGTH 1. don't feel badly about the rip-off by the Wheedon-esque website. Look at it this way: they are ripping off one hell of a writer and a profoundly committed fan....And if I ever visited that site, I'd be happy to see your name, cause I know you do good work. 2. Season 7 had one of the (for me) scariest episodes ever: CWDP. LMPTM - excellent. Beneath You - almost like one of the early episodes: funny, scary, cheesy, profound... and what a showcase for JM's acting talent. Touched - one of the loveliest "I love you" speeches ever. Lessons: took me right back to welcome to the hellmouth. Storyteller: no words, just a great, big, smile, and hugs for Tom Lenk. Where are the Emmys when they're needed (not by us, but by those who've never seen the show) 3. It also had some of the lamest episodes ever: all the speechifying, little of the original humor that had attracted me to the series, nothing for the Scubies to do except cook and shop for an ever-increasing number of faceless, anonymous, and complaining SITs, and Caleb? Sorry, that was one sad excuse to bring in a favored actor....I still don't see the connection between the FE and Caleb...Yes, I _know_ the connection intellectually; but: where was the GUT connection? the FE wanted to merge with CALEB? Gimme a break....a big one, please. 4. The heroine's growing up tale that took 7 years to tell required some better resolution to her relationship with the hero that was also "traveling" to adulthood - and redemption - than a pat on the cheek, a nod to his risk in wearing E. Taylor's necklace, cuddles in the cellar, and I Love You as he is about to die... Dysfunctional relationship or not: these two characters began to dance in the second season - and they danced for 6 years. He died her chosen champion, but our heroine surely felt something more than, "he's in my heart". And now, the writers and creative team tell us it's Angel she really loves? Shades of Scarlet and Ashley.... And I hated THAT book! 5. What I just wrote about Spike and Buffy - could also be said about the journey Willow and Xander have travelled. Only problem? Xander never really changed much; he's a constant --- and I think we all wanted that - that he stay constant and loyal, and also somewhat dense to his own romantic situation - yet always a tad jealous of Buffy's romantic partners. The crossoever Willow did to Angel showed how very differently the Angel writers saw her character vs. the Buffy writers. Hail, Hail the Angel writers for that! They saw WR as a powerful, adult - no fear, no hesitation. Wish BtVS writers had seen the same thing. Oh - and the Willow on Angel would've NEVER hung with Kennedy; she'd have seen the spoiled brat in an instant, and moved on for a _real_ woman/man/whatever she wanted.....doesn't matter. 6. Okay, here's a really sore point: Season 5 and early into Season 6: Dawn & Spike. great chemistry; great relationship. Buffy and Spike have sex; Dawn and Spike get dumped. Is this to mean that Spike only interacted with Dawn to get into Buffy's pants? IF so, it worked. However, the audience lost a great pairing. Spike brought out Dawn's courage - and her hidden strengths... Spike taught Dawn some wonderful lessons that are metaphors on how we treat people of other races and cultures....how we treat people that are "different", even hated by others.....And caring for Dawn helped Spike's interest in another path --- the road to redemption. I never thought it was just Buffy and the Chip. I thought "the salsa" (Dawn) helped, too. 7. Tom Lenk Rules! Quieter chemistry than JM's, he is nevertheless a gem, and contributed to one of the best episodes of this or any season - Storyteller. 8. Despite all the above bitching, BtVS is still one of the best television series I have ever watched, and in 58 years, I've watched many. I will continue to watch the re-runs, to enjoy the jokes, to be re-scared....even though I know the writing team flubbed the last year. Why? cause, they have given me so much pleasure, I can forgive the last six months' screw-ups. I only hope they don't drop the ball on Angel --- and will come up with some clever spin-off to continue the tale.... thank you for printing and reading my rant. I know War and Peace was shorter...... mkd Posted by: Mary on July 7, 2003 02:26 AM Wow! I hope Mary comes on over to our board! Thanx, Deborah, for inviting her and posting her very insightful comments.
Just thought I'd clarify Mary's reference to GONE WITH THE WIND, i.e. Scarlett O'Hara Kennedy Butler mooning over the unattainable Ashley Wilkes for 15 years, only to realize that Ashley is not only totally wrong for her but that he didn't love her and she didn't want him. Scarlett realizes that she does indeed love and need Rhett, but it's too late, Rhett is tired of her games and frankly doesn't give a damn, or so he said. Let's hope that Buffy isn't playing Scarlett to Angel-as-Ashley and Spike-as-Rhett!
Actually, Ashley is not dissimilar to Angel, though Angel's a bit tougher. Ashley doesn't have a psycho-killer alternate personality, though. Spike and Rhett share an ability to always come back into the life of the woman they love. Though Rhett was never pathetic; and didn't reveal that he truly loved Scarlett until after they were married, being too smart to give her his heart to openly shred. But both Spike and Rhett are rogues, adhering to their own codes, and possess considerable joie de vivre. (Ashley, like Angel, tends to brood; it was the teenaged Scarlett who fell madly and not very realistically in love with Ashley without knowing him too well).
Gail, who has read GONE WITH THE WIND a few times
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jul 7, 2003 14:40:04 GMT -5
Of course, Patti omits that she was wearing thick-soled tennis shoes and I was barefoot. You were barefoot AFTER you removed your sandals *mutters...shorter than me with her bloody sandals, I say...*
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Post by deborah on Jul 7, 2003 14:46:02 GMT -5
I've seen firsthand what a king vulture can do. Stripped all the meat off a turkey leg in less than 10 seconds. Nice pet. If I ever have the opportunity to scan a photograph of Papa Bird and me I'll have someone help me post it on the board. Papa Bird wasn't a pet. He was part of the zoo collection where I used to work long ago. But I loved him just as dearly as if he were [my pet]. He used to lay in my lap and sometimes he would fly on to my head or shoulder. And have I mentioned how adorable he looked slurping up rat tails like spaghetti? Funny you should say pet. Once I was bitten quite badly by really big vulture. An andean condor, to be precise. His bite opened up my hand like a can opener. The intake nurse at the emergency room referred to him as my pet. I was momentarily speechless but my boyfriend explained that he wasn't a pet and that he had a bill the size of Cleveland.
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Post by deborah on Jul 7, 2003 14:49:11 GMT -5
Deborah, you don't necessarily have to claim the title officially to DO it officially. You have my vote! Splendid, courteous, INVITING letter. Have you ever sold encyclopedias door to door? Great cordiality there, and literate comments. Excellent inviting post. Thanks Nan. No encylopedia selling for me, though. I'm a terrible bull-shitter. I couldn't possibly extend that kind of courtesey and persuasiveness without being motivated by genuine sincerity. I am truly proud of my fellow Scubies and brag on you at every opportunity.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jul 7, 2003 15:00:10 GMT -5
Wow! I hope Mary comes on over to our board! Thanx, Deborah, for inviting her and posting her very insightful comments.
Just thought I'd clarify Mary's reference to GONE WITH THE WIND, i.e. Scarlett O'Hara Kennedy Butler mooning over the unattainable Ashley Wilkes for 15 years, only to realize that Ashley is not only totally wrong for her but that he didn't love her and she didn't want him. Scarlett realizes that she does indeed love and need Rhett, but it's too late, Rhett is tired of her games and frankly doesn't give a damn, or so he said. Let's hope that Buffy isn't playing Scarlett to Angel-as-Ashley and Spike-as-Rhett!
Actually, Ashley is not dissimilar to Angel, though Angel's a bit tougher. Ashley doesn't have a psycho-killer alternate personality, though. Spike and Rhett share an ability to always come back into the life of the woman they love. Though Rhett was never pathetic; and didn't reveal that he truly loved Scarlett until after they were married, being too smart to give her his heart to openly shred. But both Spike and Rhett are rogues, adhering to their own codes, and possess considerable joie de vivre. (Ashley, like Angel, tends to brood; it was the teenaged Scarlett who fell madly and not very realistically in love with Ashley without knowing him too well).
Gail, who has read GONE WITH THE WIND a few times I've always thought that Ashley constituted a sort of cross between Riley & Angel.
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Post by Laura on Jul 7, 2003 15:02:34 GMT -5
Funny you should say pet. Once I was bitten quite badly by really big vulture. An andean condor, to be precise. His bite opened up my hand like a can opener. The intake nurse at the emergency room referred to him as my pet. I was momentarily speechless but my boyfriend explained that he wasn't a pet and that he had a bill the size of Cleveland. Yikes! Sounds excruciatingly painful. Hope you didn't end up with a hospital bill the size of Cleveland!
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Post by deborah on Jul 7, 2003 15:05:47 GMT -5
Yikes! Sounds excruciatingly painful. Hope you didn't end up with a hospital bill the size of Cleveland! As a work related injury it was covered by Workmans Compensation (phew).
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