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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Oct 15, 2003 10:35:44 GMT -5
When did Spike start wearing gloves? I thought that was odd myself. Might have to pull out my S2 DVDs, because from the write-up that accompanies the doll, that's the period he's modeled after. Although the face is sculpted to look a lot more like he does today; they may have used more recent photos of JM, or even JM himself. The wardrobe (with the red shirt) is definitely S2, though, evil Spike. Haven't seen chipped or ensouled Spike wear that in a long while, but it was evil Spike's trademark as much as the leather duster. I miss it -- added a nice splash of color. The Angel doll is supposed to be crafted after Angelus in "Becoming Pt. 1 & 2", hence the sword, but his face looks a bit full to me. Looks more like late S3. Buffy is supposed to be from "Graduation Day Pt. 1 & 2". The first Buffy was from "Hush".
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 15, 2003 10:36:35 GMT -5
Oh Dave! Stop teasing us! Unless... was this Spike doll designed by someone at the VHISN? Hmmmm.... I must go quiz my engineering staff. If they are behind this I'll get to the bottom of this! And if they are behind this, I'm sure Spring won't be dissapointed with the turn out *ahem* that is, with the specifications of the aforementioned doll. Micha, Chair of NosferoEngineering, Van Helsing Institute for the Study of Nosferatu. Perhaps your department could produce "socks", to *ahem* fill out the deficiency, if there is one? In the doll, Micha, Spring, the doll!!! I really should go do something productive. Now. Right now. Any minute now...
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Oct 15, 2003 10:47:23 GMT -5
I failed to mention the other reason I wasn't on the board. I was in mourning. Seems Alyson and Alexis went through with tying the not this past weekend. Phooey.
Oh well, I still have Jenny Calendar. And I'll be meeting her Halloween weekend! Yay!
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Post by John G on Oct 15, 2003 10:47:49 GMT -5
Joan of Arcadia is one of the few new shows of the season that I had marked out of the new Fall schedule to watch and I have still not seen it. So far, I haven't been home in time to catch it or else I forget it's on. I'm one of those who watch very little *other* TV. I'm taping the daytime AtS reruns on TNT which I watch when I get home from work. Then if I don't watch a BtVS or new AtS (read Just Rewards) rerun the TV usually goes off. Except sometimes I keep Animal Planet on low in the background while I'm reading fanfic and turn it up if something intriguing comes up there. Oh, sometimes I still watch American Dreams on Sunday nights and Antiques Road Show. But nothing with any regularity and committment other than AtS now. I know I'm missing a lot of shows that I would really enjoy, all my science, history, British dramas & mysteries and a a couple of US dramas and comedies, but there's just not enough time. AtS & BtVS and fanfic are my priority. I haven't rented a video in maybe six months. Haven't seen a film in at least three. Probably won't either before Return of the King, most likely on Christmas day. I'm big on documentaries. My wife, however, loves anything dealing with forensic science. But I must admit, I now have a new love, coming in third behind Buffy and Angel. 24 is awesome. Admittedly, I've never scene either season as it aired, so watching it all on DVD may add to it, but the writing is superb, and they know how to draw you in and keep you guessing. So, I think I'll try to watch Season 3 as it unfolds (and with D.B. Woodside starring), see if it catches me the same way.
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Post by John G on Oct 15, 2003 10:59:53 GMT -5
After our discussion about the souls and vampires, I was reading something about Spike and his redemption and something came to mind. If the soul in Spike and Angel now are their souls, but the demon is still in them as well, why is it that upon their passing, their human souls are going to hell? In other words, when Angel died at the end of Season 2, he'd gotten his soul back before death, and when he came back, he'd revealed that he (souled Angel) was the hell dimension. Or is that it? Angel was in a hell dimension, but not the place of punishment, hell, so that's why his human soul was "tortured." So then, did Angel really die?
And what about Spike? He, souled Spike, feels himself going to hell. But why would his "human" soul feel hell, when it was the demon that did all the horrible things, and not Spike's human soul? Any thoughts?
EDIT: And it may just be that I can't separate my Catholic/Christian beliefs on the soul, so if that's the case, someone please help me think outside the box.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Oct 15, 2003 11:05:21 GMT -5
After our discussion about the souls and vampires, I was reading something about Spike and his redemption and something came to mind. If the soul in Spike and Angel now are their souls, but the demon is still in them as well, why is it that upon their passing, their human souls are going to hell? In other words, when Angel died at the end of Season 2, he'd gotten his soul back before death, and when he came back, he'd revealed that he (souled Angel) was the hell dimension. Or is that it? Angel was in a hell dimension, but not the place of punishment, hell, so that's why his human soul was "tortured." So then, did Angel really die? And what about Spike? He, souled Spike, feels himself going to hell. But why would his "human" soul feel hell, when it was the demon that did all the horrible things, and not Spike's human soul? Any thoughts? EDIT: And it may just be that I can't separate my Catholic/Christian beliefs on the soul, so if that's the case, someone please help me think outside the box. I asked my favorite puppet, Mr. Hat, and he said it was because Spike deserved to go to hell. He deserved to go to hell and die .... It's definitely an interesting concept considering that when Buffy died, she went to a Heaven dimension. My first response would have been the classic Christian "because they didn't accept Christ as Lord and Saviour," but Buffy's death sort of screws that theory all to hell. Pardon the pun. I can only guess that because both souls (human soul and demonic essence) reside in one body, they sort of become one. Hence Angel's remorse over actions committed by Angelus -- they are one, yet they are not.
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Post by Sue on Oct 15, 2003 11:06:22 GMT -5
Joan of Arcadia is now on my VCR tape settings and it is definitely the best new show of the year. Micha Speaking of which, when and where is "Wonderfalls" supposed to premiere?
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Post by Sue on Oct 15, 2003 11:08:02 GMT -5
Regarding JM and movies. So, "Venetian Heat" is not going to happen. Was that the only movie or was he signed to two different movies?
Is that the one with Derek Jacobi about a couple in Italy during the war?
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Post by Sue on Oct 15, 2003 11:11:26 GMT -5
Was this brought up?
If W & H thought Angel was going to use the amulet, do you think maybe the thought the end result was intended to be to pull him into hell, like Spike feels he is now being pulled? Maybe Spike, being Spike (plus the whole burning love with Buffy thing) was just too darn stubborn to get sucked immediately into hell and that's how he got into his current status. Might not have happened that way with Angel, especially since Angel had already signed a deal with W & H, which Spike never did.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Oct 15, 2003 11:11:48 GMT -5
Speaking of which, when and where is "Wonderfalls" supposed to premiere? Aint in Cool News had a page listing out when all the projects involving Buffy veterans were supposed to finally be getting underway, i.e., when Tru Calling was supposed to air, when Jane Espenson's first Gilmore Girls script was to see the light of day, etc. I've been trying to get in so I can re-post the data spoiler-free (AICN is a haven for spoiler whores), but my connection isn't wanting to cooperate. I don't recall there being a terrible amount of naughty info, so if anyone else can get in and wants to read it, here's the link -- www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=16288. Just be forwarned -- my memory aint what it used to be, and this is AICN we're talking about.
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Post by deborah on Oct 15, 2003 11:15:44 GMT -5
I'm big on documentaries. My wife, however, loves anything dealing with forensic science. But I must admit, I now have a new love, coming in third behind Buffy and Angel. 24 is awesome. Admittedly, I've never scene either season as it aired, so watching it all on DVD may add to it, but the writing is superb, and they know how to draw you in and keep you guessing. So, I think I'll try to watch Season 3 as it unfolds (and with D.B. Woodside starring), see if it catches me the same way. I've heard 24 is exceptionally good. But truly, I'm reluctant to get drawn in to anything new. When would I have time to watch it? Being Buffy obsessed is hard work and consumes most of my free (and stolen work) time.
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Post by John G on Oct 15, 2003 11:18:10 GMT -5
I asked my favorite puppet, Mr. Hat, and he said it was because Spike deserved to go to hell. He deserved to go to hell and die .... As a total aside, I have a friend and we always tease him about his sexuality, so I'm looking to get him a Mr. Hat puppet! Too funny!
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Post by deborah on Oct 15, 2003 11:18:45 GMT -5
After our discussion about the souls and vampires, I was reading something about Spike and his redemption and something came to mind. If the soul in Spike and Angel now are their souls, but the demon is still in them as well, why is it that upon their passing, their human souls are going to hell? In other words, when Angel died at the end of Season 2, he'd gotten his soul back before death, and when he came back, he'd revealed that he (souled Angel) was the hell dimension. Or is that it? Angel was in a hell dimension, but not the place of punishment, hell, so that's why his human soul was "tortured." So then, did Angel really die? And what about Spike? He, souled Spike, feels himself going to hell. But why would his "human" soul feel hell, when it was the demon that did all the horrible things, and not Spike's human soul? Any thoughts? EDIT: And it may just be that I can't separate my Catholic/Christian beliefs on the soul, so if that's the case, someone please help me think outside the box. I see your point, John. When a vamp is made his soul departs so why should that soul be damned for the evil committed by vampire after its departure?
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Post by Sue on Oct 15, 2003 11:21:36 GMT -5
when Angel died at the end of Season 2, he'd gotten his soul back before death, and when he came back, he'd revealed that he (souled Angel) was the hell dimension. Or is that it? Angel was in a hell dimension, but not the place of punishment, hell, so that's why his human soul was "tortured." So then, did Angel really die? . JOhn, I never saw it as Angel "dying" (as in, being dusted, incinerated, beheaded, etc.). Buffy ran him through the stomach with a metal sword, not thru the heart with wood. What I assumed happened was, since his blood awoke Acathla, his blood was necessary to close the portal Acathla was creating. Hence, the sword went thru Angel, covered with blood and then back on into Acathla (which is where is was before Angel removed it to begin with) and Angel was pinned to Acathla and sucked into whatever dimension Acathla had been going to suck the world into (where all the humans would have been sucked into and tortured regardless of their souls.) So, he didn't die, it was a dimension where souled individuals of any ilk could be sucked in and tortured. Sue
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Post by John G on Oct 15, 2003 11:26:05 GMT -5
JOhn, I never saw it as Angel "dying" (as in, being dusted, incinerated, beheaded, etc.). Buffy ran him through the stomach with a metal sword, not thru the heart with wood. What I assumed happened was, since his blood awoke Acathla, his blood was necessary to close the portal Acathla was creating. Hence, the sword went thru Angel, covered with blood and then back on into Acathla (which is where is was before Angel removed it to begin with) and Angel was pinned to Acathla and sucked into whatever dimension Acathla had been going to suck the world into (where all the humans would have been sucked into and tortured regardless of their souls.) So, he didn't die, it was a dimension where souled individuals of any ilk could be sucked in and tortured. Sue I agree. That actually started to form in my mind as I was writing. But the Spike issue is more interesting. And deborah managed to say perfectly in a few words what I bumbled in a long post (see, they kill our brains in law school).
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