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Post by Sue on Oct 23, 2003 15:47:01 GMT -5
I'm now convinced t's not Moloch. It's me. Every time I steal some time to post more than "...uh...hello..." the board goes kablooey. Shanno Shanno, You are "credited" with making 75 posts. When I click on your member name and ask to call up "all posts" made by this member, it calls up 67 posts. So, only 8 are missing (and I presume maybe some of those were on the 4 pages which just got "eaten.") You can do the same thing and then read thru the 67 that are there--maybe you can find some that you thought were missing. You can always copy and repost them. Unless the number 75 is wrong and you aren't getting credit for the missing posts? Sue
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Post by Betsy on Oct 23, 2003 15:47:37 GMT -5
And he hung out with the Rat Pack, so at some point he was a partier (after getting his soul). What year was the Rat Pack? The 2nd episode of Season 2 was Have You Now or Have You Ever Been and was set in the 50's at The Hyperion. I loved that episode. I think besides saving the dog in the 20's (which we saw in a flashback last season), the 50's was the first time Angel tried to help a human. He was trying to help that woman, but the hotel was infected/possessed by the demon and everyone went crazy and hung Angel (little did they know). Before that , he kept to himself in the hotel, going out to get bottled blood at nite. The bellboy thought he was weird (lol). But then Angel left and left the people to the demon. Then pretty much stayed that way til we saw the flashback last season on him in the diner in the 70's listening and swaying to Barry Manilow in the diner. Then he takes a tast of the guy that was shot and horrifies Faith and gets some giggles out of Angelus. I think it was after that, Angel hit the Alleys and had no more contact at all with humans til Whistler found him in 97.
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Post by Nickim on Oct 23, 2003 15:47:53 GMT -5
Maybe Spike knew about the Manilowmania from Faith. Also, Angel did once talk about liking (or at least watching) Bonanza. Spike would have been a Young Ones fan, for sure. Shanno I love Neal. "Can you like, actually kill yourself with laxative pills." The ep when they all have colds is a SCREAM.
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Post by RAKSHA on Oct 23, 2003 15:49:07 GMT -5
Gail (and Diane and Deb) I guess I should clarify that the board isn't totally anti-Spike. There were people there defending him but nothing was getting through. They were saying stuff like "Did you see how that perverted rapist snuck into Fred's bathroom to watch her take a shower? His soul hasn't changed him a bit" There is one particular poster that hates him so much, yet every single post she makes is about him. I also read in a livejournal the other day about a site that not only rants on Spike but on JM himself. The livejournal user said she tried to calmly talk to the posters but finally gave up. She gave a link but there was no way I was going there if I wanted to sleep that night. I don't know if I should put the sites name up. It amazes me that people can vent so much ANGER over a fictional television character.
Spike is NOT a rapist. He didn't rape anyone. Buffy stopped him and he did not even try to continue his assault, he realized what he was doing was wrong and fled. Posters inflamed about Spike's assault or poor treatment of women or the horrific crime of rape might do a lot more good acting in the real world to protect women (volunteering at a rape crisis center, working to strengthen enforcement of current laws or create new ones) than flaming about fictional vampires on television.
Grumble, grumble, grrrr. I would like to know the name of the site so I can avoid visiting it.[glow=red,2,300]GAIL [/glow]
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Post by makd on Oct 23, 2003 15:49:17 GMT -5
I don't even know how to respond to that. A stmt like that is better ignored than dignifying with a response. But it does make me seethe inside. Couple comments: the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. The fact that this poster is so obsessed with both Spike and with JM tells volumes. One of the things I've noticed in my research on online communities is the enmity with which Spike (and sometimes JM) is received. It's unhealthy. I haven't seen anything like it in the soap opera boards, where I expected to find it! The creative staff at ME could nip this in the bud by the way in which they write the scripts. For example, if Angel were to show tolerance to Spike, to complement him occasionally, to tolerate him and regard him as an ally, rather than an enemy, the fanatical element of hatred in the fans could be ameliorated. I hate to say this, but I do worry occasionally about these, you should excuse the non-PC expression, nutcakes. There's reason the syllable "fan" is the prefix for "fanatic" and "fantasy". But, I will save more of this for my next project. Just wanted to add my support to the whole fairness to all concept. I know, I was pissed at Angel last week, but....(1) I know it's a TV show, so no going crazy, here; (2) I don't hate Angel, I was just pissed with him, (3) I don't want to see Angel dusted!, (4) I'm just starting to like him; why would I want to kill him?, (5) He's so cute in that buddy routine with Spike, and I think I'm gonna like him with Eve. (once again, ducks to avoid flying food in the Thrall Room, while saying prayers for nutcakes - and for actors who are only trying to earn a living.)
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Post by Karen on Oct 23, 2003 15:49:38 GMT -5
D'oh! My bad. I forgot that Sahjahn's motives were ultimately explained. Phooey - and I so liked my theory of evil astral projection/time/dimension traveling by Reaper. Hi Jax! Nice to see you. S3 of Angel is so blurry in my mind that I couldn't comment. I do like the idea that the reaper (Parvayne?) might be able to do some kind of black magic from the basement. Maybe he'll cause an uprising with all the beasties trapped down there. (But the holding room seems more like the X-Files cavern where all the secrets are kept. I hope we see more of you.
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Post by Queen E on Oct 23, 2003 15:50:16 GMT -5
What year was the Rat Pack? The 2nd episode of Season 2 was Have You Now or Have You Ever Been and was set in the 50's at The Hyperion. I loved that episode. I think besides saving the dog in the 20's (which we saw in a flashback last season), the 50's was the first time Angel tried to help a human. He was trying to help that woman, but the hotel was infected/possessed by the demon and everyone went crazy and hung Angel (little did they know). Before that , he kept to himself in the hotel, going out to get bottled blood at nite. The bellboy thought he was weird (lol). But then Angel left and left the people to the demon. Then pretty much stayed that way til we saw the flashback last season on him in the diner in the 70's listening and swaying to Barry Manilow in the diner. Then he takes a tast of the guy that was shot and horrifies Faith and gets some giggles out of Angelus. I think it was after that, Angel hit the Alleys and had no more contact at all with humans til Whistler found him in 97. I don't know if they ever gave a year, but in "The House Always Wins" Angel makes reference to hanging with the Rat Pack and Elvis. Which, by the way, TNT skipped on Tuesday!
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Post by John G on Oct 23, 2003 15:53:08 GMT -5
What year was the Rat Pack? The 2nd episode of Season 2 was Have You Now or Have You Ever Been and was set in the 50's at The Hyperion. I loved that episode. I think besides saving the dog in the 20's (which we saw in a flashback last season), the 50's was the first time Angel tried to help a human. He was trying to help that woman, but the hotel was infected/possessed by the demon and everyone went crazy and hung Angel (little did they know). Before that , he kept to himself in the hotel, going out to get bottled blood at nite. The bellboy thought he was weird (lol). But then Angel left and left the people to the demon. Then pretty much stayed that way til we saw the flashback last season on him in the diner in the 70's listening and swaying to Barry Manilow in the diner. Then he takes a tast of the guy that was shot and horrifies Faith and gets some giggles out of Angelus. I think it was after that, Angel hit the Alleys and had no more contact at all with humans til Whistler found him in 97. I believe mid 50s-early 60's. It doesn't make much sense in the time line, but he referenced hanging out with them in The House Always Wins (a very forgetable ep.)
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Post by Betsy on Oct 23, 2003 15:53:30 GMT -5
I don't know if they ever gave a year, but in "The House Always Wins" Angel makes reference to hanging with the Rat Pack and Elvis. Which, by the way, TNT skipped on Tuesday! Well Elvis is definitely the 50's so I'm gonna assume the Rat Pat were also. So maybe after the events in Have You know, he went to LV for a bit.
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Post by Nickim on Oct 23, 2003 15:54:02 GMT -5
I don't know if they ever gave a year, but in "The House Always Wins" Angel makes reference to hanging with the Rat Pack and Elvis. Which, by the way, TNT skipped on Tuesday! WHAT? I thought I was gonna get to see all of AtS. GRRR ARRGH
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 23, 2003 15:54:35 GMT -5
Also about time Spike reached out to Angel. It works both ways. In the 4 years Angel has been on the air, never seen him watch or refer to a tv show. I just done't see him as they type. I see him more as sitting and listening to some classical music and reading some philosphy book. Even in the A/S fan fic I read, that is one of Spike's biggest complaints . . . do tv, no cable, no satellite, and no good rock 'n roll music. I am definitely agree with the concept that it "works both ways" but when it comes to being expressive and reaching out, this is definitely more Angel's problem than Spike's. I mean, I know Spike has been snarky, but he right from the start he was giving Angel good advice (about being digested) and helping him with the necromancer, etc. And of course, he has been talking and talking and talking - not always pretty, but not . . . aloof. Spike is all about trying to make some kind of connection; Angel is about resisting it. Angel was staying stoic, on the outside anyhow - for the multitude of complex reasons we have already discussed. But he is starting to thaw. I do think that the fact that he had been allowing Fred to do as she likes and spend as much as she likes - when he surely knew how sympathetic she was to Spike - and that he had not crushed the amulet - speaks to the fact that Angel, despite himself, is well aware that Spike is worth saving and that he has changed. He just doesn't want to be caught dead saying it outloud or anything. I'm not sure he has even admitted it to himself. But somewhere in there, he knows it, and his actions reveal that.
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Post by Betsy on Oct 23, 2003 15:54:40 GMT -5
Well I gotta go back work and to actually get some work done.
I'll be checking back, but for the reviews to be posted. Need something to read on the boat when I go home tonite.
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Post by jax (f/k/a "jackson daley") on Oct 23, 2003 15:55:39 GMT -5
jax, just to warn you, this board is full of fresh, fresh people (not me, of course), and that last line is liable to be twisted. Warning duly noted. Not to worry, though. I much prefer "fresh" folk to stale. ;D
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Post by Nickim on Oct 23, 2003 15:57:13 GMT -5
16 members online right now!!
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Post by makd on Oct 23, 2003 15:58:22 GMT -5
I don't know if they ever gave a year, but in "The House Always Wins" Angel makes reference to hanging with the Rat Pack and Elvis. Which, by the way, TNT skipped on Tuesday! okay, okay, wait, wait: Angel hung with the Rat Pack and Elvis? And still he listens to and likes BM? and he reads Sartre and does TaiChi? likes dogs, dislikes cats? keeps his blood in a crystal decanter? whoa. That dude is REALLLLY, like, complex. ;D
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