kimi
S'cubie
"Gabriel=Mini-Spike"
Posts: 102
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Post by kimi on Jun 25, 2003 21:38:05 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I love your work Rusty...and I read little or no sword and sorcery fiction growing up. Of course, it could be why I'm enjoying it so much. It feels new to me. The imagery is so much fun to read, and Buffy is funny. I love Buffy most when she is humanized as much as possible...and those are generally the moments when she's acting foolish or silly, as long as it's balanced with serious and relfective moments. Keep up the great work. I can't wait for 14 to come out. Yes, but guys? Where is it? *feeling pouty and a little left out*
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kimi
S'cubie
"Gabriel=Mini-Spike"
Posts: 102
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Post by kimi on Jun 25, 2003 21:39:11 GMT -5
Damn. Another early day tomorrow.
Please have many wonderful discussions for me to catch up on!
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Post by RustyGoode on Jun 25, 2003 21:41:28 GMT -5
Hi Rob,
Chapter 14 is with Vlad, and Vlad Bogarts the fic. He can't post any faster because he has to read all our stuff first. Plus that whole irrelevant site switch, techno-pagan stuff that he claims takes so much time.
I notice that the funnier your fic gets, the wittier your posts. You were really rolling the other night. LOL+
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Jun 25, 2003 21:46:02 GMT -5
Rusty and Rob, what you're doing is entirely, completely worth doing. Self-expression is the root of all writing, I think. You can't concretize experience even for yourself until you put it into words or least try. And if you try fiction rather than journaling (I NEVER journal! I am extremely boring to myself!), it develops its own dynamic, has its own characters, becomes JM's sandbox you can play in and fulfill fantasies, explore possibilities, beat the high school bully, whatever. Imagination is liberation from the narrowly-perceived NOW, and that's a good thing--I submit, Rob, as good as skinny dipping alone. And if you can skinny dip in company, if other readers come to enjoy the game you're playing with your mind and experience and wishes and imagination, they gain importance both to you and to your readers. They become worthy of time spent and thought expended. Maybe even (horrors!) rewrites.
Nobody ever need apologize for being a beginning fiction writer. That's a hell of a lot better than not being one at all. Writing fiction sharpens the eye and the imagination. One becomes a better viewer, and reader, for the experience of writing. Like any kind of profoundly accepted education, formal or otherwise, it opens the world.
That's worthwhile, all by itself.
Rusty, as soon as I come to something like a stopping/resting place in EME, I want to read your Legions of Gorath. Haven't yet, don't precisely know why. Now, I know I want to.
Rob, I've been putting off Triangles, too--again, I don't know why. Maybe because I know you both and shied away from finding them lame (not that there's any reason I should, just the fear and resultant avoidance). Other fanfic I can read, and like, or dislike, or dismiss without detection. I can't do that with fellow S'cubies. I once lost a writer friend because we no longer could read each other's work. Just couldn't. If we did, we found nothing to say about it. Our inner worlds had just diverged so much that there was no mental or emotional nourishment in the fiction for either of us.
So Rusty, if you have Spike becoming an effective leader, more power to you. I assume you have contrived the world around him so that that can be so. I hope that under the proper circumstances, any of us could rise to an occasion--even Spike. So just because I have said that in Sunnydale as I perceive it, this possibility is not open to him, and I've also loaded the dice to get Angel on the scene instead, that doesn't mean I can't or don't want to imagine a world where circumstances are different, and Spike can be a leader as well as a passive hero shooting rays of light.
We don't have to agree. What's nice is the contrasts in perception, and exploring them. Or at least that's what *I* like.
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Post by RustyGoode on Jun 25, 2003 21:46:15 GMT -5
Yes, but guys? Where is it? *feeling pouty and a little left out* If you're asking which and where is my fic. I'm Legions of Gorath on the S3 site (same place as Rob), which I wish I'd named: Tiger, Tiger Burning Bright. I may still do that. Want to redo the whole 1st chapter since the poem and Chinese Zodiac animal both apply.
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Post by RustyGoode on Jun 25, 2003 22:03:44 GMT -5
Rusty and Rob, what you're doing is entirely, completely worth doing. Self-expression is the root of all writing, I think. You can't concretize experience even for yourself until you put it into words or least try. And if you try fiction rather than journaling (I NEVER journal! I am extremely boring to myself!), it develops its own dynamic, has its own characters, becomes JM's sandbox you can play in and fulfill fantasies, explore possibilities, beat the high school bully, whatever. Imagination is liberation from the narrowly-perceived NOW, and that's a good thing--I submit, Rob, as good as skinny dipping alone. And if you can skinny dip in company, if other readers come to enjoy the game you're playing with your mind and experience and wishes and imagination, they gain importance both to you and to your readers. They become worthy of time spent and thought expended. Maybe even (horrors!) rewrites. Nobody ever need apologize for being a beginning fiction writer. That's a hell of a lot better than not being one at all. Writing fiction sharpens the eye and the imagination. One becomes a better viewer, and reader, for the experience of writing. Like any kind of profoundly accepted education, formal or otherwise, it opens the world. That's worthwhile, all by itself. Rusty, as soon as I come to something like a stopping/resting place in EME, I want to read your Legions of Gorath. Haven't yet, don't precisely know why. Now, I know I want to. Rob, I've been putting off Triangles, too--again, I don't know why. Maybe because I know you both and shied away from finding them lame (not that there's any reason I should, just the fear and resultant avoidance). Other fanfic I can read, and like, or dislike, or dismiss without detection. I can't do that with fellow S'cubies. I once lost a writer friend because we no longer could read each other's work. Just couldn't. If we did, we found nothing to say about it. Our inner worlds had just diverged so much that there was no mental or emotional nourishment in the fiction for either of us. So Rusty, if you have Spike becoming an effective leader, more power to you. I assume you have contrived the world around him so that that can be so. I hope that under the proper circumstances, any of us could rise to an occasion--even Spike. So just because I have said that in Sunnydale as I perceive it, this possibility is not open to him, and I've also loaded the dice to get Angel on the scene instead, that doesn't mean I can't or don't want to imagine a world where circumstances are different, and Spike can be a leader as well as a passive hero shooting rays of light. We don't have to agree. What's nice is the contrasts in perception, and exploring them. Or at least that's what *I* like. Nan, Rob and I have been supporting each other from our trembling beginnings. He's very impressive, not only with all the Buffy characters, but he has the 'evil white guy stuff totally knocked. Now he's working on the humor and doing it well. He always has something nice to say about my stuff, which really keeps me going. I severly envy his 'pale rider' resolution to his last opus. It was brilliant. Let me fix my intro, then read me. I've read all your latest section and need to go back and finish the first one. I get really caught up in work, and Rob has been my priority cz we're both newbies. Both your Dawn and Spike dialogue are wonderful. It's them, them , them. I've been really disappointed by the recent genre paperbacks I've tried to read. God, is most S&S dense and turgid! I keep tossing them under the bed half read, and I'll read a cereal box from one side to the other when I have a serious fiction jones going. Thank you for starting this section. It feels like home.
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Post by Rob on Jun 25, 2003 23:01:43 GMT -5
Rob, I've been putting off Triangles, too--again, I don't know why. Maybe because I know you both and shied away from finding them lame (not that there's any reason I should, just the fear and resultant avoidance). Other fanfic I can read, and like, or dislike, or dismiss without detection. I can't do that with fellow S'cubies. I once lost a writer friend because we no longer could read each other's work. Just couldn't. If we did, we found nothing to say about it. Our inner worlds had just diverged so much that there was no mental or emotional nourishment in the fiction for either of us. ******************************************** As I recall, your feelings about Truths (the second one) weren't completely negative, Nan. If you can get through the first one at all I think you could handle Triangles. The principal difference in my current story is the concerted effort to add more comedy and romance to the mix, along with a feeling of a journey working it's way to a conclusion. In hindsight, I wish I had developed some of the climactic events I'm writing now a little better in the earlier chapters. Over all, though, those moments still have the emotion that I wanted to convey, so I forgive myself. I took some risks by attempting to develop new characters (that was just scary) and some old friends come calling. In the end, I just wrote whatever made me smile or cry. Making people laugh en masse is a tricky thing. If someone shares my rather juvenile sense of screwball humor, they'll have a great time with some of the sillier chapters. At the very least, I hope to get the occasional grin. Outside of one glaring screwup (which I will not share) the story works well for me. I did what I set out to do, and I did it in my own user-friendly sort of way...so far. Lots of tricky stuff to go. I'm having serious soul-searching about one aspect of my climax (which I'm still a few chapters away from writing)...but whenever I wonder if something is too crazy to try, it winds up being some of my better stuff once I put it to paper. Either way, I hope it beats a Novocaine-free root canal. That should be Rusty's next signature line "review" of her autobiography.
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Post by Mary on Jun 26, 2003 8:25:49 GMT -5
Yes, but guys? Where is it? *feeling pouty and a little left out* Kimi, Rob and Rusty's fics can be found at the S'Cubie Website: www.soulfulspike.com/I know Rob is there exclusively, and I think (forgive me if I'm remembering incorrectly, Rusty) that Rusty's story is an exclusive there, too. Mary
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Post by RustyGoode on Jun 26, 2003 9:05:45 GMT -5
Kimi, Rob and Rusty's fics can be found at the S'Cubie Website: www.soulfulspike.com/I know Rob is there exclusively, and I think (forgive me if I'm remembering incorrectly, Rusty) that Rusty's story is an exclusive there, too. Mary My fic is only posted here because it's my first and it feels safer here. However.my chapters seem to be having some invisibility problems due to the switch. I let Patti know. Kimi--where do we read your stuff?
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Jun 26, 2003 9:22:15 GMT -5
Some of Kimi's work is at www.allaboutspike.com. Go there and search by author for Kimi. What she lists on her posts, though, is the Bloody Awful Sandlot: The Bloody Awful Sandlot www.the-sandlot.comI believe the bulk of her fiction is posted there, and she's one of the webmasters/fiction posting people etc. (in other words, she's taken over uploading EME there for me).
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Post by Mary on Jun 26, 2003 12:17:25 GMT -5
What she lists on her posts, though, is the Bloody Awful Sandlot: The Bloody Awful Sandlot www.the-sandlot.comI believe the bulk of her fiction is posted there, and she's one of the webmasters/fiction posting people etc. (in other words, she's taken over uploading EME there for me). You're right, Nan. ALL of Kimi's fic is up at the Sandlot. At least, that's what one of her e-mails said recently. Kimi writes great plot driven fics and has a wonderful sense of the characters' voices. Also - intriguing original characters that you grow to care about naturally (unlike some *cough* Wood *cough* the SITs *cough* on the show that I kinda felt were being shoved down my throat a bit). Mary
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Post by Mary on Jun 26, 2003 12:21:57 GMT -5
My fic is only posted here because it's my first and it feels safer here. However.my chapters seem to be having some invisibility problems due to the switch. I let Patti know. Kimi--where do we read your stuff? Also meant to tell you, Rusty, that I finally read Rob's stories this last weekend while I was out of town, and that I'm printing out yours today, hoping to get to it this weekend. However, if I get my computer back (grumble, bitch, moan) I'll darn well be working on my own... But I'm looking forward to it - especially the promised wombat orgy that I understand is still to come!! Mary
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Post by RustyGoode on Jun 26, 2003 12:33:02 GMT -5
Also meant to tell you, Rusty, that I finally read Rob's stories this last weekend while I was out of town, and that I'm printing out yours today, hoping to get to it this weekend. However, if I get my computer back (grumble, bitch, moan) I'll darn well be working on my own... But I'm looking forward to it - especially the promised wombat orgy that I understand is still to come!! Mary The site switch deleted the links to my chapters on S3. Patti says Vlad is sick so may not be able to fix it right away. If you click on a chapter and it says "page not found". Be patient. Thanks for your interest. PS. NEVER make a joke about Wombat orgies. The people on this board are going to make me write one.
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Jun 26, 2003 12:59:55 GMT -5
There are only a few of us involved here. Might there be any merit to the WIP involved, Rob and Rusty (since S3 is temporarily unavailable/incomplete for your fiction), being zipped and sent as an e-mail attachment to the other active members of this Roundtable?
If you think this is worth doing, my e-mail address is ndibble@cinci.rr.com and I have Word 2000 and therefore can read pretty nearly anything. However, it's probably best to save the file DOWN (Save As) Word 95 (one of the options in the bottom panel of Save As) in case somebody has an older WP than Word 2000, as is likely. You'd do this BEFORE zipping it.
Winzip is available as a free download at ms.com, but is likely already on your computer.
If all this sounds too intimidating, if you can some way e-mail the WIP to me, even in sections (with clear identification of which sections are which), either zipped or unzipped, I would undertake to reassemble, zip, and distribute them. I know I have Rob's e-mail, Kimi's, and Mary's; not sure if I have yours, Rusty, or not. And that's pretty much all of us at the moment, right?
Does this sound worth attempting? You might PM me about this on the Board rather than answering here. If I haven't heard anything in awhile, I'll PM all of you about it.
Or Kimi has a website and perhaps she might have some different suggestion. We'll see.
Onward and upward!
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Post by Mary on Jun 26, 2003 14:06:22 GMT -5
The site switch deleted the links to my chapters on S3. Patti says Vlad is sick so may not be able to fix it right away. If you click on a chapter and it says "page not found". Be patient. Thanks for your interest. PS. NEVER make a joke about Wombat orgies. The people on this board are going to make me write one. Is there any way you can e-mail me the story in word format or something? If so, send here: maryst@wi-easterseals.org If not, I'll wait til it's back up at the site. I thought I might be able to get it at the old site, but I can't get into that any more. Mary
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