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Post by Betsy on Aug 5, 2003 13:28:51 GMT -5
Also, what does that mean about Spike being told that if he came back, he wouldn't look like Spike, but he'd be very "Buffy boyfriend like" - "if you know what I mean." I didn't get this either . . .why bring him back if he's not Spike . . . . Buffy's other boyfriends, Angel excluded, were all weinies. Now if I could find a man capable of this, then I may not still be single ;D |
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Post by Betsy on Aug 5, 2003 13:31:06 GMT -5
I'm thinking Buffy will visit BECAUSE she hears Spike has returned, body and all. I mean - I think she'd be like the S'cubies . . . why bother to go see Spike if you can't touch him? But once you can, then yes . . . definitely, time for a visit! maybe it's me . . .but in some ways, I'm not looking forward to a Buffy appearance . . . any other Scoobie I have no problem with. WOnder what my problem is with Buffy coming back . . . Maybe I just want her to leave them alone . . .. she has put them thru enough. Besides, I don't think 5 months is long enough for her cookies to bake . . . I want my vamps to move on to bigger and better things . . . like a little red head living in the Seattle area. Great place for them . . . in the winter it gets dark at 4 pm and sun doesn't rise til about 7 am. |
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Post by Karen on Aug 5, 2003 13:31:27 GMT -5
Also, what does that mean about Spike being told that if he came back, he wouldn't look like Spike, but he'd be very "Buffy boyfriend like" - "if you know what I mean." Uhmm . . . he'd be a vampire? He could still do it for five hours straight with . . . very satisfactorily-sized . . . equipment? Maybe I am being dense here, but what is this supposed to mean? Here's the spoiler that explains the boyfriend-like comment.
"Hainsley offers to make him corporeal, but there's a catch…he has to help take Angel down.
Later, Angel is lying on a pentagram with Hainsley looking over him.
Hainsley and Spike have conspired to put Spike in Angel's body.
Hainsley shoves one hand in Angel's chest and reaches out for Spike, but something isn't right and Hainsley realizes at the last moment that they've tricked him.
Spike is in Hainsley's body, not Angel's.
Hainsley/Spike and Angel fight. Angel decapitates Hainsley (we see ghost!Spike's head here). Hainsley's body falls away revealing ghost! Spike who informs Angel that Hainsley did a few punches ago. Spike just had to get a few punches in." [/b] I always thought Drusilla was more of a dark dishwater blonde.  If she spent more time in the sun, her hair would lighten up.  |
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Post by Betsy on Aug 5, 2003 13:32:18 GMT -5
What they mean is that the guy offers him a deal in which he can take over Angel's body. I don't know why AICN made with the cryptic. I didn't read it that way . . . not taking over Angel's body. This Hainsley guy offers bodies for spirits to take over . . .but Angel needs to keep his body and so does Spike . . .I love their bodies and they don't need any other stinkin' body. |
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Post by Betsy on Aug 5, 2003 13:34:15 GMT -5
Spike needs to get over Buffy. But not with Fred. I agree Spring . . . I just don't think Buffy can ever love him the way he needs to be loved . . . just don't think that's part of her make-up. Spike is all encompassing . . . . and he needs someone that can be all encompassing with him. |
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Post by SpringSummers on Aug 5, 2003 13:52:03 GMT -5
Here's the spoiler that explains the boyfriend-like comment.
I always thought Drusilla was more of a dark dishwater blonde. If she spent more time in the sun, her hair would lighten up.
Dru?? A dark dishwater blonde?  Spike LOVES brunettes! Not just Dru, but look at Cecily, William's first true love, that he wrote all those love poems about! He probably tried to talk both Harmony and Buffy into dying their hair. They just never showed it on screen, but it will surely be in my next fanfic offering - e.g.: Spike lovingly ran his fingers through Buffy's hair: "You know what would make your hair even more perfect, luv?" he asked as he nibbled her ear.
"What?" said Buffy, "I thought you loved it as it is."
"Oh, I do," said Spike as he gazed deeply into her eyes, "but it would turn me on so much better and faster and longer if you would dye that hair, say a nice shade of chestnut or a deep black." |
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Post by Karen on Aug 5, 2003 14:50:30 GMT -5
Dru?? A dark dishwater blonde? Spike LOVES brunettes! Not just Dru, but look at Cecily, William's first true love, that he wrote all those love poems about! He probably tried to talk both Harmony and Buffy into dying their hair. They just never showed it on screen, but it will surely be in my next fanfic offering - e.g.: Spike lovingly ran his fingers through Buffy's hair: "You know what would make your hair even more perfect, luv?" he asked as he nibbled her ear.
"What?" said Buffy, "I thought you loved it as it is."
"Oh, I do," said Spike as he gazed deeply into her eyes, "but it would turn me on so much better and faster and longer if you would dye that hair, say a nice shade of chestnut or a deep black." I agree, Spike loves brunettes ..... and blondes, and redheads (Willow - if given half a chance). What color hair did Anya have during their little encounter? |
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Post by John G on Aug 5, 2003 15:48:11 GMT -5
I loved that movie. WOuld like to find it on DVD. I don't mind the coming back as a ghost so much as long as he doesn't stay that way for long . . . . but can just imagine him driving Angel just batty. Wonder why he is "anchored" to Angel and how he is anchored . . . maybe just a cruel joke by the PTB for accepting the deal with WH? I love Fred . . . but Fred and Spike? Not sure about that one . . . did read a fan fic once with Spike/Fred and my boy Spike wasn't very nice to her. There was a movie with Denzel and....damn, I forgot his name, but I know his face. Anyway, he was a white guy who didn't like Black people, and Denzel died and he received Denzel's heart to save his life, and Denzel's ghost constantly annoyed him. The movie actually sucked (I thought), but when I read this description, I thought of that movie. |
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Post by Queen E on Aug 5, 2003 15:54:05 GMT -5
There was a movie with Denzel and....damn, I forgot his name, but I know his face. Anyway, he was a white guy who didn't like Black people, and Denzel died and he received Denzel's heart to save his life, and Denzel's ghost constantly annoyed him. The movie actually sucked (I thought), but when I read this description, I thought of that movie. James: It was called "Heart Condition" and it came out in 1990. |
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Post by Laura on Aug 6, 2003 18:19:52 GMT -5
There was a movie with Denzel and....damn, I forgot his name, but I know his face. Anyway, he was a white guy who didn't like Black people, and Denzel died and he received Denzel's heart to save his life, and Denzel's ghost constantly annoyed him. The movie actually sucked (I thought), but when I read this description, I thought of that movie.
I love Denzel -- he went to my college -- a few years before me. The funny thing is -- you know how when you're in high school, and getting various college admissions brochures in the mail? And those brochures usually profile a couple of students, a couple of alumni, a couple of teachers, all smiling to make you just think that their school is just the best one in the world? Well, back when he was a college senior, Denzel was one of the students profiled by our school in the admissions brochure -- and I noted it back then because he had (1) such arresting good looks and (2) such an unusual first name. It's an enormous source of pride to the university that he's gone on to do so well.
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Post by Betsy on Aug 6, 2003 18:26:00 GMT -5
I saw this link from Slayage.com. The report was posted on another forum board called More than Spike.com ( forums.morethanspike.com/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=1420). Here's the report. This is a report of my trip to the Paramount lot. I’m posting two versions of the report. One in the Spoiler section that will contain everything, and one in the Angel Discussion section, minus anything I think might be considered a spoiler, or possible spoiler (what little there might be). However, if you don’t want to know anything, not even stuff most would consider common knowledge (like cast or sets) then stop reading now.
You may repost this report on other boards. Please give me credit and also mention the More Than Spike board and provide a link, since they’ve been so nice to let me post this.
I got to the lot at about 9:00 am and went straight to the Angel offices. My friend gave me the dime tour. First he showed me sketches of the sets from past seasons and the ones for this season. Then he took me on a tour of the Sound Stages so I could see the sets before the crew got there. In one sound stage they had a large area of Buffy sets and props. When Buffy ended, Fox let Angel have first dibs on the sets and props before letting other shows have a go at them. I recognized the cupboard from Buffy’s dining room and a bookshelf. They had a lot of stuff waiting to go to storage, mostly furniture and silk plants.
He showed me where some of the old sets used to live. Most are gone for good. The Hotel set has been taken down and sent into storage, probably never to be seen again. Cordy’s apartment has been down since last season (episode 4:1), so don’t look for it either. <Spoiler> The set they used for both Wesley’s apartment and Connor’s cabin at the end of 4:22 is still standing, read into that what you want, but at this time they don’t know if they’ll be using it again for either. <End Spoiler>
Next, he took me to the stage with the main Wolfram and Hart set. It’s GORGEOUS. It has a very homey feel, not at all sterile. It’s a two-story area, a kind of upper level lobby for the executive suites. There’s a large lobby with hardwood floors, elevators and a large staircase (a la Brady Bunch – you’ll see what I mean), lots of beautiful artwork and plants, and lots of light. On one side are offices for Wesley and Gunn. Both are the same size and basically have the same décor, except Wesley’s has more artwork and bookcases. The other end houses Angel’s office and conference room. The office is slightly different from the one used in 4:22, but it still has the big windows. Angel’s office is great, it has artifacts and artwork and antiques everywhere, much like his home on Buffy or home on the first season of Angel. He also has a private elevator. <Spoiler> Harmony is Angel’s secretary. Her desk is just outside his office and is decorated with…unicorns! It’s hysterical. If you’ll remember, she had unicorns all over her cave/home in season four of Buffy. <End Spoiler>
I got to see Fred’s lab and office. The office was being worked on so I don’t know how it will look, but the lab part looks like a lab, again with minor changes from the one in 4:22.
<Spoiler> My friend showed me where they were building two sets for episode two. One is Hainsley’s parlor; the other will be Angel’s penthouse, which will be a permanent set for the season. I have no idea if Lorne will have an office. <End Spoiler>
We then went for a walk through the outside New York street sets. He showed me the building that served as the outside of Angel’s office in season one, and told me a funny story about the night they blew it up. They thought this one wall was solid, but it wasn’t, so when they blew out the windows and doors the explosion knocked the wall back and broke water pipes, flooding the stage behind. It was also cool to see where they had filmed a lot of outside shots, not just of Angel, but of other shows too. I also got to see the infamous Star Trek “Barren Planet” sound stage. They had stacks of plaster rocks of different colors.
<Spoiler> This day, they were shooting in the Wolfram and Hart office. It was the Fang Gang (Angel, Gunn, Wes, Fred, and Lorne) and Spike and Harmony. I can’t tell you much about the scene, but Spike fans will be happy to know that the coat is back, in fact, he’s wearing what he wore when he died (I know this will disappoint those of you who were hoping for a naked Spike this season – lol). And he does come back the way the casting sides for episode two have described. <End Spoiler>
Episode two was written by David Fury and Ben Edlund, and is directed by Jim Contner. Fury was on the set for part of it, but I have no idea what Edlund looks like. David B. is looking really good, very buff. James is also looking good, well rested. I didn’t get a chance to talk to any of the actors, they were too busy, but the AD kind of flirted with me. I take that back, I did talk to Andy. He said “hey, how’s it going?” and I said “fine thanks.” Monday was his birthday, but he wasn’t filming, so today they brought him a big, green cake the color of Lorne’s skin. Right before I left I said “happy birthday” and he said “hey, thanks”. So that was my conversation with Andy. I didn’t get to see too much of the others from where I was, but Wesley’s stand-in looks like a tall Tom Cruise. Many beautiful men to look at today.
I did want to say this for those who have been upset about Spike joining the show. David is still very much the star of this show and is treated as such by all of the crew. However, David does not act like a diva at all. And James is treated no differently than the other regulars. I saw no animosity among any of them; in fact David and James were joking around at times. The crew is happy he’s there and I hope Angel fans will be too. I truly think Spike haters will find themselves laughing to spite themselves when they see this episode, and will understand why so many of us love Spike. He’s hilarious. I think you’ll also see that in general Spike will not have any more airtime than the other regulars in the cast. I hope you guys will give Spike a chance, he has such great chemistry with Angel and the others, and I hope you will stop picking on James.
I hope you’ve had as much fun reading this as I had writing it. And I hope you won’t be too upset about the lack of info, but single girl/beautiful men…not wanting to get banned from the set just yet. My hat is off to the Crew, the sets are wonderful, they really outdid themselves this season. This season is going to kick ass.
MTL
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Post by ldelrossi on Aug 6, 2003 20:35:57 GMT -5
Thanks for that post Betsy. I am glad Angel is looking buff. I was tired of the frequent comments about his weight.
It sounds as though things are running smoothly. I read or heard that DB was a prankster on the set. I wonder if JM is?
Keep the info coming. I have never been a spoiler whore before but I am so excited about this season that I have to have information constantly, even if it may not be true.
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Post by ldelrossi on Aug 6, 2003 20:38:17 GMT -5
How do these people get on sets? I could be very quiet if they'd just let me sit there and watch.
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Post by betsyAB on Aug 6, 2003 21:08:19 GMT -5
maybe it's me . . .but in some ways, I'm not looking forward to a Buffy appearance . . . any other Scoobie I have no problem with. WOnder what my problem is with Buffy coming back . . . Maybe I just want her to leave them alone . . .. she has put them thru enough. Besides, I don't think 5 months is long enough for her cookies to bake . . . I want my vamps to move on to bigger and better things . . . like a little red head living in the Seattle area. Great place for them . . . in the winter it gets dark at 4 pm and sun doesn't rise til about 7 am. Betsy L., you live near Seattle? I am going to Seattle on Monday for one week to do some Army stuff. Where exactly do you live? I am staying in Alderwood, North of the city. |
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Post by Betsy on Aug 6, 2003 22:52:13 GMT -5
Betsy L., you live near Seattle? I am going to Seattle on Monday for one week to do some Army stuff. Where exactly do you live? I am staying in Alderwood, North of the city. I actually live in Silverdale, which is in the Kitsap Peninsula . . . across the Sound to Seattle. By Bremerton Ferry it's an hour. I actually work in downtown Seattle. If you have some free time, maybe we can meet. I'm not sure where Alderwood is or how far it is from Seattle. |
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If she spent more time in the sun, her hair would lighten up. 
