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Post by Betsy on Aug 6, 2003 23:12:16 GMT -5
Thanks for that post Betsy. I am glad Angel is looking buff. I was tired of the frequent comments about his weight. I was too, and I never thought he looked that bad. While I thing James is such a hottie, do like some meat on my men . . . need something to hold on to you know? I've heard the same thing about DB and I've heard that JM can be one also. I wasn't one before either, but I've been slowly immersing myself in them to the point where I'd actually read the wildfeeds for Angel on Angel's Acoylyte's site. BUt not doing that. I'll have to content myself with just the spoilers, whether they be true or not . . . hoping to still be surprised. I just don't have the patience to wait a week to find out what happens.
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Post by LadyDi on Aug 7, 2003 21:19:13 GMT -5
Spike needs to get over Buffy. But not with Fred. Spring, You're probably right, but I'm a Romantic. I like to think that Buffy's gonna have a Big Yellow Taxi moment and come to her senses.
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Post by SpikesWillingSlave on Aug 9, 2003 17:22:51 GMT -5
I've heard the same thing about DB and I've heard that JM can be one also.
Sorry if I'm doing this quote thing wrong but computers and I are rather non-mixy at times.
I remember an interview with JM around the time Season 6 was starting on UPN and he remarked that pranks and practical jokes were frowned upon due to the $$ involved in possibly blowing a take or ruining costumes, etc. So, while I think both boys have a 'mischievious' streak, I'm betting the pranks are reserved for off-set/off-camera moments.
Cheers!
Deana (SWS)
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Post by RAKSHA on Aug 9, 2003 18:00:12 GMT -5
I've heard the same thing about DB and I've heard that JM can be one also. Sorry if I'm doing this quote thing wrong but computers and I are rather non-mixy at times. I remember an interview with JM around the time Season 6 was starting on UPN and he remarked that pranks and practical jokes were frowned upon due to the $$ involved in possibly blowing a take or ruining costumes, etc. So, while I think both boys have a 'mischievious' streak, I'm betting the pranks are reserved for off-set/off-camera moments. Cheers! Deana (SWS) Welcome to S3, Deanna! Siddown and stay awhile. Oh, I have been reading your very nice story. Keep writing. Gail
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Post by LadyDi on Aug 11, 2003 11:51:20 GMT -5
trying to post (got a big ol' chunck of spoilage from spikeonangel) and it won't let me. Arrgh!
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Post by LadyDi on Aug 11, 2003 11:57:09 GMT -5
Okay, that post went through just fine. Very frustrating.
Anyway, if you're checking out the spoiler thread you've probably seen this (or will see it) elsewhere.
I hate this Spike belongs to W&H idea. But it makes a certain kind of sense I suppose, if they wanted Angel (everybody wants f*cking Angel - he's not all that and a bag of chips people). At least Spike gets to say a lot of what I've been thinking. He makes with the big sacrifice, and gets jack sh*t for his troubles. Angel wants to get rid of Spike. Gee, there's a big surprise. Take the easy way out, Forehead, it's what you do best. Buffy loves this guy?!
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Post by Betsy on Aug 11, 2003 13:39:08 GMT -5
I think this is what Lady Di was trying to post. I get it all in regular emails. When I get Ep. 3, I'll post that also. It's quite interesting to say the least. I thin W&H had bad plans for Angel when they gave him the amulet. I guess if he has used it, Angel would have been tied to W&H. Also, if Spike has brain wave activity . . . he's not a ghost in the normal sense in what I've known ghosts to be. Episode Two recap by Tragic Vixen, at dirtyeliza.proboards15.com
Angel Episode 2, "Just Rewards" By David Fury and Ben Edlund
Open Sunnydale CA Hellmouth... 19 days ago. A scene fro "Chosen" right where light is shooting out of Spike/amulet. How dramatic. Back to where we left off in Convictions. Spike is wondering where he is, everyone wonders why he's there. Fred wonders who he is, period. We starts to reel off the history of William the bloody. Then Wes informs them that Spike died saving the world. Lorne says that Spike seems pretty alive now... That is, until Spike dives for Angel and goes through him. He ends up standing in, yes IN, a desk.. Bugger. Must be a ghost. Hmm... They say he saved the world, so he must be a good vamp. Good... like Angel? Angel says he and Spike are nothing alike. They offhandidly mention Buffy, Spike insists he see her, they say she's in Europe.
Harmony, still thinking she and Spike are a couple gets shocked when she hears he was with Buffy. Spike says he must be in Hell... Lorne: No. L.A. But alotta people make that mistake. Wes studies the amulet while Lorne studies the story behind it."The vampire slayer both men loved. Both men lost." As for Spike being a ghost. Fred comments he has the electromagnetic readings, but not the ectoplasmic matrix that makes ghosts visible. However, she is picking up a brain signal. Angel: On Spike. That is weird.
Therefore, whatever he is is tied to the amulet. Part of his essence got trapped inside when it released it's energy... They ask him if he remembered any weird sensations. Besides the burning to the bone and exploding organs? No. How did the amulet end up there? Perhaps the powers that be? Spike starts to disappear but reappears on the other side of the room. Spike says all this is Angel's fault because he brought the amulet to Sunnydale and chickened out. He "don't give a piss about atonement or destiny. Just cause I got me a soul, doesn't mean I'm gonnalet myself be led around by-" Waaaait a second, Spike with a soul? This is something Angel didnt tell the others.
Spike tells Angel he took a devil's bargain to take over W & H, to use it to fight evil from the belly of the beast, all the while he doesnt realize he and those he loves are being digested. So Spike isn't the only one being jerked around by higher ups.
A Grox'lar beast appears from off the elevator. Now this kind of beast is the kind that likes to eat heads off babies... After a fight Angel snaps his neck, he learns that the beast was there to talk to him as a client so they could negotiate his clan to stop eating baby's heads. But they like strong first impressions, so maybe Angel is ok afterall. Spike takes off. Gunn finds/lays off an employee he catches jacking a voo doo doll that looks alot like him from the voo doo division.
Meanwhile another associate, Novac, appears asking Angel what happened to the grave robbing division. One of their oldest and most powerful clients Magnus Hainsley needs fresh bodies. Angel tells Novac to tell Hainsley, this service is over. Angel and Wes discuss the amulet some more, and how Angel wonders if W &H sent him with the amulet so what happened to Spike would have happened to him. What ARE the senior partners up to? Hmm... Spike is back... Why? Every time he goes as far as the city limits he gets yanked back to W & H... The amulet is W/H's property, and therefor so is Spike.
Oh my... A knock at the door. Novac is back from his Hainsley meeting... He's back indeed, pieces of him in 3 buckets.... They start doing research on Hainsley, he's a sorcerer who owns a lot of W & H. He's a necromancer- power over the dead. Angel decides he wants to take him on on his own. Spike comes along, jumping in the driver's seat of all the cars Angel tries to take. Spike: I could drive you completely starkers. Right outta your gourd. Yeah. And you wouldn't be able to do a sodden thing about-They go to Hainsley's house where a manservant greets them.
When he goes to ask Hainsley what to do with Angel and Spike they have a look around, seeing the place is adorned with posed corpses. In Hainsley's inner sanctum there is a large iron pentagram as a table. A blonde woman lies there, blue with death. Hainsley is commenting what kind of woman he was looking for, but then that he just settled on pretty. His hand slams into her body and into her chest.
Meanwhile the servant appears and asks whats to be done with Angel an Spike, Hainsley says to kill them.The servent returns to the room with Spike and Angel and tells them that Hainsley wants them returned to W& H, then its obvious that the servant has meat cleavers behind his back. They fight, the servant quickly realizes that he cant harm Spike. Spike cheers the servant on. Angel kills the servant. Spike tells Angel he has it too good. Spike: And here I save the world, throw myself onto the proverbial hand grenade for love, honor and all the bloody right reasons- and what do I get? Ghosted! The two of them exchange some more words than Spike disappears.. hmm..Angel goes to face Hainsley.
The woman from before is up and moving, When Angel tries to stop her, her eyes are glowing orange and she hisses. He proceeds to ask Hainsley how much he charges to install a demon in a human body, he replies to ask why Angel would wanna mess up such a good business deal. When Angel tries solidify cutting off his business, Hainsley gets him in his telekinetic grasp, pulling Angel towards him ( a la the fat demon in the bath tub on Buffy) He starts to crush Angel when he realizes he needs to let him go, the Senior Partners have plans for him.
Angel reveals his big move- freezing all of Hainsleys accounts and getting the IRS on him, Hainsley has no defense cuz Angel and co are his lawyers. Spike mocks this move, and eventually again disappears… he appears again in Hainsleys room, who says they can help each other… He'll give Spike his freedom and power of choice and flesh and bone, if he helps bring down Angel.
Back at the office, Angel is concerned with getting rid of Spike, Wes says everyone in the dept analyzed the amulet and theres no way of releasing Spike…traditionally… Whats the non tradition way? Giving him something he asked for- eternal rest. Spike enters, but they don't see him, he overhears them talking, but he mostly hears the part about exorcism, and when Fred says: We're talking about killing him. Wes says letting him cross over is the most humane thing they can do. How? Amulet is protected but the magic wont hold up on hallowed ground… like a church… or a cemetary, needs to be taken there and destroyed… Angel says before they make an decisions they should sleep on it. Fred leaves the amulet on Angel's desk, Spike disappears with a woosh.
In Angel's HUGE bedroom that nite, Spike appears again. Spike tells him he overheard, also said the necromancer tried to make a deal that'd get him back in the flesh. Angel has the amulet and tries to convince him that staying with Angels gang for the best, but Spike says no and that Angel should be happy he's doing him in, Circle of Death and all. Angel waves a rock over the amulet and moves to crush it, but suddenly he hits himself in the head with it. Then again. Suddenly he's lifted off his feet and turns to see Hainsley working him like a puppet master. Hainsley says a vampire should think twice before messing with a man who wields power over all things lifeless. Angel gets slammed into the wall, Spike glares at Hainsley saying he took long enough, but Hainsley reassures him nothing would happen, cuz he (Spike) is the linchpin of the plan. Spike says he better not get used, Hainsley smirks.
Angel awakens, but Hainsley is there to greet him and slam him into the wall, saying Angel can't touch him cuz he's a necromancer and Angel is dead. Angel comments how the Senior Parners will wonder where he is, Hainsley says he'll show up the next day once all of his (Hainsleys) accounts are reopened. Angel asks why he'd do that, Spike appears saying he'd be the one doing it, in Angel's body. He'd get in and Angel would disappear to Never Come Back Land. Spike says he might even have a go at Fred.. she looks like a "goer."
The process begins, Hainsley says this must be painful for Angel, cuz he's never done this on a conscious dead person before. Angel groans in agony. He pulls Spike's form to him and has his hand in Angel's chest. As Spike spins towards him, suddenly Hainsley's eyes open, he's no longer in control of his arm and begins to struggle. Angel gets up. Hainsley says Spike can't control him for long. A fight ensues… Angel throws a table, decapitating Hainsley, so its his body with Spike's heading sticking out. Oh bollocks. Hainsley's body falls, revealing Spike. They share a smirk.
Wes and Angel later discuss that was all Spike's idea when he found out he was being used by the bad guy. Fred goes to her lab and sees Spike there he starts asking her about science and magic, then his conversation becomes allusive to sexual things Saying he's slipping…It's like the ground under me's splitting open. And my legs are straddling both sides of a… chasm… getting wider… pulling me in. But then she asks is that why he's disappearing.. He says yes, he's not getting pulled to the place heroes go, he's being pulled to hell, and he's scared. BAM. Help me.
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Post by LeeHollins on Aug 11, 2003 13:57:06 GMT -5
Spike's being pulled into hell?!
I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again: I do not want Spike or Angel or Gunn or Wes or any other male that comes on the show to fall for Fred. She's a great girl and I dig her character but c'mon! Every guy has to fall for her?! What the...?!
Rant over.
Thanks for posting this, Betsy. I have signed up to be on their mailing list and I completely forgot about looking at this message today.
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Post by Betsy on Aug 11, 2003 14:01:08 GMT -5
Spike's being pulled into hell?! I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again: I do not want Spike or Angel or Gunn or Wes or any other male that comes on the show to fall for Fred. She's a great girl and I dig her character but c'mon! Every guy has to fall for her?! What the...?! Rant over. Thanks for posting this, Betsy. I have signed up to be on their mailing list and I completely forgot about looking at this message today. Well I'm taking it as Spike being the flirt that he is. He likes flirthing with the ladies . . . could mean nothing. I do think that W&H had very nefarious plans for Angel having that amulet and this is supposed to be happening to Angel and not Spike. Thus Angel tied to W&H and can't leave town. It's an interesting take to my way of thinking. Wonder how he's gonna become human.
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Post by Betsy on Aug 11, 2003 14:28:08 GMT -5
Got this from the zap2it.com site. It's an interview with J. August Richards and I'm posting here as there are some spoilers in it. Enjoy. I'm very interested in where they are taking his character this season. 'Angel's Gunn, Charles Gunn
By Kate O'Hare In 10 years, "Angel" star J. August Richards would like to be wearing a tux, driving an Aston-Martin and drinking a martini (shaken, not stirred). The same goes for his character, vampire hunter Charles Gunn. "Gunn, like me, has a James Bond obsession," Richards says. "He would love to be James Bond, and it's a great role that I would love to be, someday."
While Richards acknowledges it may take a decade for him to grow into the part, he doesn't let the fact that an American -- especially an African-American -- never has played the quintessential British spy.
"My cousin, who's visiting, he's 15, and he was the first one who pointed out to me that being black might be an obstacle to getting it," Richards says. "I never really thought that way. I never really thought that would be an issue, but I guess that's just the way I think."
Richards can affect a British accent and ride a horse (three times, on-screen), but he might need to work on his motorboat and motorcycle skills.
"But, I definitely believe that I can learn to do anything in a short period of time," he says. "If I have any talent in this world, that's what it is. I'm very adaptable."
Some of Richards' adaptability was on display earlier this year on "Angel," which returns to Wednesdays this fall, starting Oct. 1, for a fifth season on The WB Network. In an episode called "Players," Gunn took a break from his duties with the evil-fighting crew at Angel Investigations in Los Angeles to team up on a mission with electrically charged thief Gwen Raiden (Alexa Davalos).
Along with donning stylish threads to infiltrate a high-society party (and romancing the heck out of Gwen at the end), Gunn showed off his fighting skills, especially in a sequence where he used a long pole to vanquish several assailants.
"It's probably 95 percent me," Richards says. "That was probably my highlight of the year, even though I tend to hold the acting more important than the action. But, it was a very intricate fight scene.
"They kept expecting me to step out and let my stunt man step in, but I just wanted to do as much of it as I could. I just kept going, pushing myself, saying, 'Faster, faster, let's do it faster.' I was in a zone that day, and I would not let that scene go."
Admitting he'd never worked with a pole before, Richards says, "That was part of the magic of that day. I just learned it right there. A lot of the flourishes, I threw in myself. That was a part of doing it over and over again. I remember, when I was a kid, my sister was a majorette, and she used to let me play with her baton. That basically was what I was doing, just rolling it through the fingers. That was a great day."
Added to "Angel" at the end of its first season, Gunn was the leader of his own vamp-killing squad on L.A's mean streets. After being recruited by Angel (David Boreanaz), a vampire with a soul, into his team, Gunn has had trouble fitting in.
Gunn's struggle came to a head this past season, as his romance with co-worker Fred (Amy Acker) fell apart, and he began to wonder if there was a future for him with Angel Investigations.
"The struggle became, 'Am I just the muscle in this group, and how fulfilled am I by that?' " Richards says. "That was the real question, and I think the panther answered that."
The panther in question appeared to Gunn in the season finale, as he and the members of Angel's crew were offered new positions at the Los Angeles office of their chief nemesis, the evil law firm of Wolfram & Hart. After throwing in the towel against Angel, W&H ceded the L.A. territory to him, along with the vast resources of their fabulous office tower.
While each team member faced temptations linked to his or her personality, Gunn's wordless encounter with a black panther in the tower's otherworldly penthouse left many questions unanswered for viewers.
"I imagined he was speaking to me with no words," Richards says about playing the scene. "I felt the panther told me what my place was and what my purpose was, and that was where the shift comes."
So, Richards reveals, expect a new and improved Gunn this season. "What they did tell me is that, in some ways, the only thing that's going to be the same about my character is the name. In a lot of ways, I'm going to be playing a brand-new character. He'll also have a different look, which I really can't give away."
For what it's worth, Richards, who has had his head shaved for the role, showed up at The WB's annual summer press-tour party with hair.
Other changes are in store for "Angel," as former guest star Mercedes McNab returns in a recurring capacity, playing the Valley Girl vamp Harmony, a role she originated in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." Joining the regular cast is Harmony's former flame, the also-ensouled vampire Spike (James Marsters), last seen apparently sacrificing his life to save the world in the "Buffy" series finale.
"There are going to be a lot of guys on the show," Richards says. "I'm really excited about it. I know James and his work. He's a fantastic actor."
Sarah Thompson ("Boston Public") has also joined the show as Eve, Angel's liaison with Wolfram & Hart's senior partners.
Not in the cast this fall, though, is Charisma Carpenter, who played popular girl turned demon-fighting champion Cordelia Chase in both "Buffy" and "Angel," and who became a first-time mother earlier this year.
"I'm going to miss Charisma," Richards says. "I just loved having her on the set and her energy. She's a great person. I'm just trying to stay open-minded. But, hopefully, Mercedes and Amy will keep the estrogen quotient high."
CYBERSPATIAL ANOMALIES: Keep up with J. August Richards' life and career at his official Web site, at www.jaugustrichards.com/index.htm .
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Post by LadyDi on Aug 11, 2003 14:56:19 GMT -5
Well I'm taking it as Spike being the flirt that he is. He likes flirthing with the ladies . . . could mean nothing. I do think that W&H had very nefarious plans for Angel having that amulet and this is supposed to be happening to Angel and not Spike. Thus Angel tied to W&H and can't leave town. It's an interesting take to my way of thinking. Wonder how he's gonna become human. Besty L. - you're right. I checked to see if anyone else had posted it. Wanted to be the first. Ah well. I too am of the opinion that Spike's just being Spike. I imagined him getting very flirty (but not serious) w/Fred. She'd blush and stammer adorably. What will become of our Spike? Only time (and spoilers) will tell. I for one feel gypped, tho'. Angel came back naked, Darla came back naked. But not Spike (yet, anyway). It's probably the only chance we'll get to see him naked all season!
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Post by Betsy on Aug 11, 2003 15:16:06 GMT -5
Besty L. - you're right. I checked to see if anyone else had posted it. Wanted to be the first. Ah well. I too am of the opinion that Spike's just being Spike. I imagined him getting very flirty (but not serious) w/Fred. She'd blush and stammer adorably. What will become of our Spike? Only time (and spoilers) will tell. I for one feel gypped, tho'. Angel came back naked, Darla came back naked. But not Spike (yet, anyway). It's probably the only chance we'll get to see him naked all season! well maybe shirtless at bit . . . . I'll take that over not seeing any skin at all and if DB is as buff as I've read, then more shirtless of him too . . . and J. August, who is Buff . . . can't recall seeing Alexis shirtless yet. Wonder how buff he is . . .
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Post by RAKSHA on Aug 11, 2003 19:29:56 GMT -5
Spike's being pulled into hell?! I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again: I do not want Spike or Angel or Gunn or Wes or any other male that comes on the show to fall for Fred. She's a great girl and I dig her character but c'mon! Every guy has to fall for her?! What the...?! Rant over. Thanks for posting this, Betsy. I have signed up to be on their mailing list and I completely forgot about looking at this message today. I don't think Angel ever fell for Fred. Liked her as a person, wanted to save her, but never lusted after her or loved her romantically. I personally think Wesley and Fred would make the best couple... Spike might be flirting because he has always flirted with attractive females, even while in love with Buffy. It's a sort of reflex action. Whereas Angel hardly ever flirts, he doesn't dare to, poor guy. Gail
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Post by RAKSHA on Aug 11, 2003 19:34:29 GMT -5
well maybe shirtless at bit . . . . I'll take that over not seeing any skin at all and if DB is as buff as I've read, then more shirtless of him too . . . and J. August, who is Buff . . . can't recall seeing Alexis shirtless yet. Wonder how buff he is . . . If only there were a way to have Angel, Spike, Gunn and Wesley shirtless at the same time....Even if AtvS were a lousy series, it would still be worth looking at this fall for the FOUR extremely sexy Hunks who are also fine actors in regular roles on the show. And if the PTB at the WB have any sense at all, they will PROMOTE these fine and SEXY guys! Gunn and Angel would look best in suits, Wesley shaded and Spike with a snarky grin... Gail
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Post by Betsy on Aug 11, 2003 22:14:39 GMT -5
If only there were a way to have Angel, Spike, Gunn and Wesley shirtless at the same time....Even if AtvS were a lousy series, it would still be worth looking at this fall for the FOUR extremely sexy Hunks who are also fine actors in regular roles on the show. And if the PTB at the WB have any sense at all, they will PROMOTE these fine and SEXY guys! Gunn and Angel would look best in suits, Wesley shaded and Spike with a snarky grin... Gail Don't think my already high blood pressure could handle that . . . might cause me to keel over of a stroke or heart attack. Paramedics: "Poor girl, she's so young. What would cause to to just keel over like that?" S'cubies: "Check out the TV there . . . new series of Angel, with all that half nekkid manflesh . . . it would cause any red blooded female to keel over!"
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