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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Jun 2, 2003 21:25:18 GMT -5
Since JM is signed as a regular, that means he will be on all 22 eps (I believe) so I think it will be at least addressed in the first episode. Spike may be in the first episode, but it doesn't necessarily mean we'll know why. Dawn was in the first episode of season 5, but it took what, half a season before we knew where the heck she came from.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 2, 2003 21:46:12 GMT -5
Spike may be in the first episode, but it doesn't necessarily mean we'll know why. Dawn was in the first episode of season 5, but it took what, half a season before we knew where the heck she came from. Hmmm...quite true. I hope they don't pull a season seven with Spike. We spent half of it getting him uncrazy enough to take part properly in the story. I don't ever want to see such a lag again. But back to your Dawn comparison, though we didn't know what was going on, she was certainly central early on. And, the WB didn't pay big bucks to just waste him. I'd wager.
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Post by Betsy on Jun 2, 2003 23:06:33 GMT -5
Thanks, Lee and Dave - I figured as much, but then saw how cautious you all were being, so I wasn't sure. Lee, I completely agree it *is* hard resisting a peak now and then. I'm going to try to resist - we'll see how long I hold out - I'm hopin the show for me, will be better for it. [/size][/move][/b][/quote] I made the same vow myself, but then as soon as I saw the link posted, I ran all the way over there. Oh yes, sure I have a strong constitution. I don't think I'll be able to maintain my resistence . . . too many possibilities for the upcoming season and like the cat, very curious, but then once satisfied, the curiosity always comes back.
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Post by Betsy on Jun 2, 2003 23:09:23 GMT -5
Hmmm...quite true. I hope they don't pull a season seven with Spike. We spent half of it getting him uncrazy enough to take part properly in the story. I don't ever want to see such a lag again. But back to your Dawn comparison, though we didn't know what was going on, she was certainly central early on. And, the WB didn't pay big bucks to just waste him. I'd wager. I love Angel and DB, and I love SPike and JM . . . I'm just so anxious to see Angel's reaction when Spike does put in an appearance in LA. The look on his face I think will be priceless. Maybe then we can get more backstory into their relationship.
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Post by Karen on Jun 3, 2003 8:47:59 GMT -5
Maybe then we can get more backstory into their relationship. Betsy! That would be really interesting - I loved the period pieces they did with Angel/Buffy crossovers. They really didn't delve into the Angel/Spike relationship much. I'm sure there has to be a lot of juicey stuff there. Also, that would be a good way to bring other characters back, like Drusilla and Darla.
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Post by Laura on Jun 3, 2003 13:37:33 GMT -5
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Post by LeeHollins on Jun 3, 2003 14:51:46 GMT -5
You know, I try to resist spoilers. Honestly, I do (or did). At the end of each season, I tell myself, "Self, no more spoilers for you. Let the show surprise you. Join in the speculation. Don't ruin it for yourself." And I stick to that promise for about a day....and then I break it. I start off with one or two tiny spoilers but it quickly becomes a slippery slope. One just isn't enough - I think "Hmm, this tiny spoiler won't hurt. I'll read it and then NO MORE!" But that one tiny spoiler soon turns into a full-blown spoiler addiction. Next thing you know, I'm staking out Wanda's chat, reading Spoiler Slayer's dispatches - basically, I'm mainlining spoilers. It's sad, I know. Believe me I know how sad it can seem. Good thing I have fellow spoiler whores here amongst the S'cubies (right now I'd like to give a shout-out to Dave! Yo Dave! Any new spoilers? ) This post really had no point whatsoever (much like my other posts). I'm pleading exhaustion - that's my story and I'm sticking to it! Lee
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Post by Laura on Jun 3, 2003 15:11:03 GMT -5
Just got an email from Spoiler Slayer that says that the Angel script that is floating around (where Herc got his spoiler) is FAKE. Tensai said it was a spec script that a wannabe ME writer sent to ME. Part of me was wondering why ME would explain Spike's reappearance so early in the season but another part of me was excited by this possibility. If it was a spec script, I think we absolutely know then that it's not what's going to happen. Unless, of course, ME was suitably impressed to hire the author.
I seem to recall an interview with JW a while ago to the effect that he doesn't read fan fiction -- and rightly so. God forbid that some fan writes something that unconsciously parallels what JW/ME was intending to do with the show. It would open a whole can of nasty legal worms about how "they stole my idea," and ugly, time-consuming and expensive nuisance suits would result. As long as the people at ME can show that they don't know anything about other people's ideas, they likely can't be sued for any intellectual property infringements. (Or more correctly -- they likely can't be found liable for any intellectual property infringements. Whenever annoying family members ask, "Can I sue so-and-so for this?", I tell them "You can sue anybody for anything. What you want to know is, 'Will I win?'.")
So unless they liked the unsolicited script enough to hire the author, I doubt that we'll see any of that stuff -- great as it was -- in the real episodes.
And by the way, lest anybody get any funny ideas, the following is my disclaimer:The foregoing was prepared as informational material for fellow S’Cubies only. As such, the contents are for general information purposes only and are not intended as, nor are to be relied on as, legal advice. You are urged to consult appropriate legal counsel concerning any specific situation or legal issue. Laura
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Post by LeeHollins on Jun 3, 2003 15:16:16 GMT -5
If it was a spec script, I think we absolutely know then that it's not what's going to happen. Unless, of course, ME was suitably impressed to hire the author.
I seem to recall an interview with JW a while ago to the effect that he doesn't read fan fiction -- and rightly so. God forbid that some fan writes something that unconsciously parallels what JW/ME was intending to do with the show. It would open a whole can of nasty legal worms about how "they stole my idea," and ugly, time-consuming and expensive nuisance suits would result. As long as the people at ME can show that they don't know anything about other people's ideas, they likely can't be sued for any intellectual property infringements. (Or more correctly -- they likely can't be found liable for any intellectual property infringements. Whenever annoying family members ask, "Can I sue so-and-so for this?", I tell them "You can sue anybody for anything. What you want to know is, 'Will I win?'.")
So unless they liked the unsolicited script enough to hire the author, I doubt that we'll see any of that stuff -- great as it was -- in the real episodes.
And by the way, lest anybody get any funny ideas, the following is my disclaimer:The foregoing was prepared as informational material for fellow S’Cubies only. As such, the contents are for general information purposes only and are not intended as, nor are to be relied on as, legal advice. You are urged to consult appropriate legal counsel concerning any specific situation or legal issue. Laura [/i] How true, how true.... -L ;D
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Post by Spring Summers on Jun 3, 2003 20:46:12 GMT -5
I couldn't help but notice that no where in the spoiler scenario does Spike put his clothes on . . . are we to imagine he stays nude throughout the fight scene and everything? I think that's what I will imagine, anyhow.
I don't believe this is a scenario of created by someone with any real connection to AtS. And I don't like it and I don't think it is well done. It screams "bogus!" to me.
After all that emphasis on girl-power for 7 seasons, and that heavy-duty girl-power message in the finale, there's going to be a 40ish male slayer? No, no, no, no, no. It so . . . out of kilter. Slayerhood is always gonna be a girl thing.
Spike may become human, and he may somehow keep some powers, but no way is he going to be referred to as a Slayer.
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Jun 4, 2003 5:46:30 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care right now if it's a true spoiler or just someone's really idea. It's a wonderful jumping off place for one of (maybe our?) brilliant fanfic writers. I for one like spoilers. They provide me with hours of imaginary scenarios to toy with, and prove false often enough to keep the suspense. And even when they prove to be true, there's still the wondering of how it will play out. I was spoiled to the knowledge that Xander would lose his eye to Caleb, but the scene in my imagination was nothing like what played out on tv. And the scene was every bit as shocking. I'm glad I was spoiled because that would have been much too painful for me otherwise. I LOVE THE EDIT BUTTON
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Post by LeeHollins on Jun 4, 2003 7:08:07 GMT -5
I couldn't help but notice that no where in the spoiler scenario does Spike put his clothes on . . . are we to imagine he stays nude throughout the fight scene and everything? I think that's what I will imagine, anyhow. I don't believe this is a scenario of created by someone with any real connection to AtS. And I don't like it and I don't think it is well done. It screams "bogus!" to me. After all that emphasis on girl-power for 7 seasons, and that heavy-duty girl-power message in the finale, there's going to be a 40ish male slayer? No, no, no, no, no. It so . . . out of kilter. Slayerhood is always gonna be a girl thing. Spike may become human, and he may somehow keep some powers, but no way is he going to be referred to as a Slayer. Spring - while I do think it was an interesting concept and would open the Angel world to various possibilities (imagine Angel having to work with Spike, someone he hates, because Spike is a slayer). I think Spike as a slayer would not take away from the girl-power theme of Buffy - Buffy was all about empowering women, showing they can be just as strong (or stronger), physically, emotionally, spiritually as men. I think having Spike as a male slayer would cause quite a quagmire - it's always been a girl who was the slayer and now there's a male ex-vampire?! Imagine the Watcher Council's faces (well, pretending they didn't blow up!). However, I don't think ME will do this (Spike as male slayer) - I think they might make his position/status a little murkier. Now how they would do that, I have no idea. Being the spoiler whore that I am, you know I'll be trying to find out! -L
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Post by SpringSummers on Jun 4, 2003 9:03:42 GMT -5
However, I don't think ME will do this (Spike as male slayer) - I think they might make his position/status a little murkier. Now how they would do that, I have no idea. Being the spoiler whore that I am, you know I'll be trying to find out! -L Yes Lee, I agree - ME won't do it. Though I agree it COULD be done without interference with the girl-power thing, I think Slayerhood is something they will forever keep "purely" about girls. I understand about being a spoiler 'ho. Nothing wrong with it - been there, done it. For some reason I didn't bother to analyze, it started to make me nutty last season, and I quit reading spoilers. Who knows when I may be possessed to start again? But for now, I am still feeling like I do better WITHOUT spoilers.
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Post by RAKSHA on Jun 5, 2003 23:06:35 GMT -5
Yes Lee, I agree - ME won't do it. Though I agree it COULD be done without interference with the girl-power thing, I think Slayerhood is something they will forever keep "purely" about girls. I understand about being a spoiler 'ho. Nothing wrong with it - been there, done it. For some reason I didn't bother to analyze, it started to make me nutty last season, and I quit reading spoilers. Who knows when I may be possessed to start again? But for now, I am still feeling like I do better WITHOUT spoilers. I'd love to see Spike as a Slayer; but he could also end up as the resident Oracle. Angel & co. need a conduit to the Powers, after all.
What I DON'T want to see is Spike as a physically normal human.
Gail
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Post by SpringSummers on Jun 6, 2003 7:16:55 GMT -5
I'd love to see Spike as a Slayer; but he could also end up as the resident Oracle. Angel & co. need a conduit to the Powers, after all.
What I DON'T want to see is Spike as a physically normal human.
Gail I can't agree I'd love to see Spike as a Slayer. The idea of a 40ish male slayer just leaves a bad taste in my mouth (I need a cookie). And regardless, I don't think ME would ever do it. But I definitely agree I would like Spike to be something other than an entirely physicaly normal human.
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