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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:20:06 GMT -5
Kerrie-
I'll toss my hat in the ring here- (although I am a confirmed Spike worshipper) come on- Angel is a hottie-
That scene back in season one when he takes his shirt off in Buffy's kitchen was peerlessly sexy ( DB isn't the world's greatest actor but he comic timing is quite good and his awkwrdness as a neophyte comes off as shynes in his early sequences)
SMG's breathlessly dazed romantic response to him was perfect. As the mother of a teenage girl I was not always thrilled with the depiction of Buffy's sexuality but the dead on accuracy of the depiction of every action having an unforeseen consequence made for some lively debates on the homefront.
Angel was irresponsible but desperately in love, Parker was an opportunistic user,Riley was intimidated, in love, on hyped up steroids, Spike- ah Spike- ... Buffy's partners have some real world contours that make for fascinating bed companions, gossip fests and cautionary tales to fill a manual.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:20:34 GMT -5
Hi Diane, I would love to read your essay when you finish it. But, with all due respect, if you are enlarging it could you also include Spike's role in resurrecting(sp?) Joyce in "Forever". It always seemed a significant anomoly or baby-step, depending on your view-point, for Spike to do something he knew Buffy would not like. Sorry to add to your work-load, please feel free to disregard this message.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:20:54 GMT -5
Happy Easter to you too, Lee, and to all the S'cubies!
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:21:22 GMT -5
"To me it has to do with the fixity of expression and the strarkness of their features."
I agree, Ellie. I am not bothered by the Cinderella or Snow White characters because I see their real faces. The "missing" facial expressions may be at the core of the fear. Plus, the artificial "happy smile" painted on clown faces creep me out. How ironic that something designed to bring fun and joy makes a lot of people scared instead.
Yet I don't have the same reaction to the vampire faces at all. I am a complete wimp for any horror; I can't watch any of it. But I never had a problem with BtVS which has always amazed me. I can't analyze the reason why, but I'm not afraid of the show's monsters. Just odd...
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:21:53 GMT -5
"The only problem would be the casting of his significant other. If they chose someone the fans couldn't get on board with, it would be difficult. But I've heard that JM could make love to a "block of concrete" and make it believable. So perhaps the casting of the female character wouldn't be too touchy."
I volunteer for the role of significant other. I'm quite concrete, and I can fake the block thing. As far as the casting not being too touchy, I'd like it to be touchy, ok? Touchy is good. Feely also.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:22:15 GMT -5
I don't know what it is about clowns but I've always shared the scared. I have a friend who does clowning part time, for kids parties and church stuff and I just shudder. Give me a vampire anytime. Well...that's obvious.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:22:36 GMT -5
Sue said 'Also, if you are looking for a medium/long (but not epic) complete fic with lots of Spike and a happy, full-cast ending read Jericho's "When Eternity Lies in the BAlance" at: www.allaboutspike.com/fic.html?id=21" I think I'll save that one for May 21...
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:22:59 GMT -5
"Personally, I think you can write about anything you like -- except dog names."
Diane made me laugh, Diane made me laugh, la la la la, Diane made me laugh!
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:23:29 GMT -5
Alexandra said: "I remember an interview with JM somewhere, he mentioned that his first day on the set in Season 2 SMG told him something like, "You're here to do a job, but don't imagine that we're friends." Then JM said, "But we're friends now."
Man! that is one I never read, and I thought I'd found them all. What a cold stuck up thing to say to someone. She obviously changed her mind, because Joss's biography says Sarah was the one who first suggested to Joss that they expand James' role because he was so good. And, in Seventeen this month she mentioned him (only) as someone she would really miss, saying they are like brother and sister.
I begin to suspect the trouble with Susan Lucci on that soap was not entirely Susan Lucci's fault...
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:24:20 GMT -5
Alexandra-
Right there with you as far as the various vampires not being particularly scary on BtVS but what about that hospital stalker serial killer of small children? Slightly shivery to me.
The (Dark City type ) Gentlemen killers in Hush- always make me shudder and Gnarl the Flayer is pretty nightmarish.
In general monsters do not scare me- they seem so "fake" immobilized within a costume-
Vampires I have found intrinsically intriguing, sexy and provocative since my early teens. One of my husband's early Valentines to me was taking me to see the lithe and intensely appealing Frank Langella on Broadway as Dracula. What can I say- I'm sick.
I remmember reading an essay with JM where he said (in response to why women liked vampires) "... they take everything... and there is something intrinsicaly sexual about that."
ellie jason
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:24:40 GMT -5
First of all, I'm really glad you liked the story. I've got a little more to tell, but we're not going to be in NYC much longer.
I never doubted that my choices in landmarks and geography would be subject for correction.
I set it in New York because in my limited experience there I loved the city. Unfortunately there were bound to be some holes in the technical areas. Looking back on it I should have researched that more fully.
To save any possibility of it happening again I plan to move things to places I'm more familiar with.
Still not clear how I'm going to move an injured Xander to Bellevue, though. That's kind of a long ride, isn't it?
Somebody help me out with that. Seriously, how can Xander be believably transferred away from the Bronx into Manhattan?
I actually stayed at the Warwick, by the way. Cool hotel with a lot of history.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:25:05 GMT -5
Patti, people keep asking about it, though it's been gone through about 6 times. It seems people need someplace stable to reference this info. Have you a suggestion? Vlad, do you have any suggestion?
Anything is fine with me, since I already know it.
Nan
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:25:32 GMT -5
Diane said, "It's the grotesquerie that gets to us. The not-one-of-us-ness, the alien, the OTHER that strikes our viscera. "
I think it's that and more than that. Aliens abound on our TV. We see Spock and Dr. Flox and even the tentacled people from "Galaxy Quest" and they are okay.
It's when we see otherness that is supposed to be us, one of us, that it gets harder to take. Like clowns.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:26:04 GMT -5
Joshua - I totally forgot that I watch pro football (probably because it's not football season). I seem to be out in left field with my football and CSI. But I do like the scifi shows. I watched Farscape until Zaan died and that Scorpius character hung around too long. Yuck.
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 7, 2003 21:26:34 GMT -5
David-
That was a sensitive and well thought out description of the possible reasons behind the hinted at tensions on the Buffyverse set.
I agree with yur assessment of what might have caused any unpleasantness however in SMG's defense it kind of makes sense that she not want to ally her name too permanently with the Buffy character.
The others have been able to use it as a launching pad and career consolidator but for her that could be a more problematic double edged sword.
Audiences often have a hard time accepting a much loved character actor differintiating from a particular character ( i assume tht is why Julianna Margulies turned down a significant salary increase for staying on ER). SMG is very young and that may seem like career death to her. ( Leonard Nimoy struggled with that same issue).
OH boy- this is way longer than I intended-
One last thing- It occurs to me that we do not have a of of intensive Buffy analyses.
For me the most intriguing part of your essay on Spike and Buffy was the part detailing some of what was animating Buffy. I say go for it- she mystifies me although I feel what she is doing viscerally I have much more sympathy for Spike and Willow. I need someone to clarify Buffy for me.
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