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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:11:58 GMT -5
I'm more disappointed in Sayid than I am in Jack. He let Locke play him for a fool because he already disliked Sawyer, and I suspect wasn't concerned as much with Shannon as he was about getting revenge. And now I'm thinking I'm not half as disappointed in Sayid as he is in himself. Poor guy. Jack... Jack let his desperation to heal someone overrule everything else, a mistake I don't think he'll make again. I don't know....Sayid was taught to use those tactics- Jack was taught not to. Jack is still weaker than I'd like him to be. Question...what is the meaning of Sawyer ALMOST but not quite burning that letter.... would burning it have meant that he is putting aside the past and starting over? or did not burning it mean he will wants to remember who he became, so he isn't that any more. These actors are just terrific. And Rob....how about that....they heard our comments and addressed them with Hurley... I love it when it does feel like someone has anticipated or heard our comments. I loved this episode - as painful as it was.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2004 20:12:03 GMT -5
Omigod. I had just written down that I think Sawyer's the one with the death wish and then the pool player guy says that. And, now it looks like Sawyer might get that wish. One kiss, huh? Death wish. Yup. Man that guy doesn't like himself. And he sure don't want anyone else liking him either. Lola
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2004 20:13:09 GMT -5
I bet the letter is from Sawyer to some guy who conned his parents!!!! Edit--I guessed right. And, I'm with you, Patti. I can't believe they'd do that, even if it did mean Shannon's life. The medicine will eventually run out anyway, but the eucalyptus won't. You're just smarty mcsmart pants today, aren't you? ;D Lola
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Post by Nickim on Nov 10, 2004 20:15:46 GMT -5
You're just smarty mcsmart pants today, aren't you? ;D Lola *bows to her adoring fans* *and ducks the fruit being thrown* ;D
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Post by Sara on Nov 10, 2004 20:16:07 GMT -5
Sawyer was kind of hellbent on proving what he said to Kate last week (paraphrasing): "Jack and I aren't that different."Locke playing Sayid; Sawyer playing Sayid and Jack. Charlie - in a much friendlier, well-intentioned, up front way - playing Claire, about the peanut butter: To get conned, you've got to participate in the ruse, you've got to want to be blinded. I agree. He hates what he's become, and probably would rather be dead than look at himself in the mirror anymore. In a way he reminds me of Faith in her first appearance on Angel,; he opted to be the torturee instead of the torturer, but both of them did what they did in hopes of getting someone to kill them.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:16:14 GMT -5
It's a first. Just kept wondering why he'd still have the letter. If what he'd done bothered him enough to keep the letter, then why still be such an SOB? It works either way. If the letter had been written to him, and he dispised his behavior, he might easily consider himself worthy only of being hated, so he made sure he was. And since he wrote the letter, and then became the thing he dispised, the same thing applies.
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Post by Nickim on Nov 10, 2004 20:17:51 GMT -5
Creepy trailer. Poor Sayid. Man, that Kate gets major kissage. Sawyer and now Sayid kisses her hand. I wanna hate her, but I can't. This show is interesting me, but I think, being on a major network, it makes sacrifices to the mainstream, and though it's good - it's not as good as it could be. Very creepy trailer, electric light--gotta be someone who's been there awhile.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:18:12 GMT -5
Creepy trailer. Poor Sayid. Man, that Kate gets major kissage. Sawyer and now Sayid kisses her hand. I wanna hate her, but I can't. This show is interesting me, but I think, being on a major network, it makes sacrifices to the mainstream, and though it's good - it's not as good as it could be. what more would you want from a tv show? It doesn't seem to be sacrificing much....it was pretty brutal...and talk about your gray behavior...just TRY to pick out a "hero" here...
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2004 20:18:23 GMT -5
OK - we're going for stream of consciousness again here . . . Yes! You are beginning your Spring-brain-tour! Everyone fasten your seat belts. Extinguish all cigarettes. And please: No wagering. Sawyer shows off the goods. Wow. And may I also add: Wow.
Charlie - why are you cheating on Shannon by flirting shamelessly with Claire?? If the poor girl has an asthma attack and dies a virgin (yeah, that's right, you heard me), it will be all your fault!! KATE(about Sawyer): He says we have a connection. JACK: Do you have a connection? KATE: Please. My goodness, she is polite! KATE (to Sawyer): I've seen you, you know. Mr Sawyer - All naked in front of Kate, and Kate only. Locke - all but naming himself as the assailant, here, under the surface. But on the surface, casting suspicion on Sawyer. Giving Sayid the means by which to kill Sawyer? Oh - how very black and white of him. Divide and conquer?
Sawyer - pushing everyone past the point of civility, bluffing husband-Dave into giving him money. Bluffing them all into giving him what he wants now: Punishment.
Charlie!! Shannon can barely breathe and you're talking about peanut butter with Claire??
DEALS - trades - exchanges -
Michael - not so good with the sushi. KATE: "If you do this . . ." IMPLIED: "You're no better than he is." Well, now, that's Sawyer's whole idea, isn't it? Sawyer - scamming husband and wife. Dangerous, dangerous games - till someone really, really gets hurt. Kate agrees to a kiss: And she goes above and beyond the call of duty!! What a giver! What a soldier for the cause. Sawyer earns himself a little more punishment. Every Sawyer has a death wish. Sawyer would watch Jack die? Another bluff, to get Jack to give him what he wants. Sawyer: Push comes to shove - he can't even take money from a baby. Couldn't go through with it.
Sawyer: Became who he hated, hates himself now. Half-naked and wounded, in front of Kate. Ahh, I think I like that stream. Very refreshing. ;D Oh, Mr. Locke. You just seemed sooooo suspicious right there. "Anyone who watches TV could make a slow fuse". Uh huh. And what have you been learning from the TV, hmmmm? Kate. Yes, she's willing to take one for the team. She's so selfless. **wipes away a tear of gratitude** LOL on the "can't even take money from a baby" line. So true! Lola So, who do you think might be a good match for our Charlie, then? Got any idle thoughts about the matter? Don't hide your feelings now. ;D
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 10, 2004 20:18:25 GMT -5
I don't know....Sayid was taught to use those tactics- Jack was taught not to. Jack is still weaker than I'd like him to be. Question...what is the meaning of Sawyer ALMOST but not quite burning that letter.... would burning it have meant that he is putting aside the past and starting over? or did not burning it mean he will wants to remember who he became, so he isn't that any more. These actors are just terrific. Yes - good acting all around. The letter burning . . . well, I took it mean the latter: He needs it to remember never to go there again. Because, I think what he did, becoming "Sawyer" would have put a damper on any vengeance dreams and such. I liked the Hurley part too. I liked how Hurley just spoke up for himself in plain language, and Charlie apologized.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:20:04 GMT -5
Sawyer was kind of hellbent on proving what he said to Kate last week (paraphrasing): "Jack and I aren't that different." Locke playing Sayid; Sawyer playing Sayid and Jack. Charlie - in a much friendlier, well-intentioned, up front way - playing Claire, about the peanut butter: To get conned, you've got to participate in the ruse, you've got to want to be blinded. Shannon and her brother....really really really close. Not sure about them.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:22:19 GMT -5
He is seriously messed in the head! It's very funny that for once I seemed to be having the same reactions as Kate. When he was still saying he would tell if she kissed him, the look on her face was so . . . full of . . . . pity for him. Like she really was thinking how disappointing this was, how . . . . pathetic. And then when he admitted that he didn't ever have the drugs (which I was thinking all along - go me - I kept yelling at the TV, just ask if he actually has them, you dolts!) her snapping to just so mad and thinking he is the biggest idiot on the island. Yep, right there with her. The very first time we see Sawyer do something completely stupid. Finally, when she puts her finger on why he's done this totally stupid thing, I'm still all "yep". Being so invested in his "bad guy" "hate me" persona that he'd rather face torture than just admit he was just reading a book he found and that he isn't the island's drug mastermind! Smack him right now! Lola I haven't really been that into Kate up until now, but this episode. Yep. Same page right all along. yep, yep and yep. I knew he didn't have the drugs all along. Very frustrating that they never ASKED him if he had them. Nice mob violence thing going on...
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2004 20:22:53 GMT -5
I'm more disappointed in Sayid than I am in Jack. He let Locke play him for a fool because he already disliked Sawyer, and I suspect wasn't concerned as much with Shannon as he was about getting revenge. And now I'm thinking I'm not half as disappointed in Sayid as he is in himself. Poor guy. Jack... Jack let his desperation to heal someone overrule everything else, a mistake I don't think he'll make again. But when it came down to it, he did the right thing by Sawyer twice--first in acting to try and stop Sayid, then by saving his life when no one would have doubted him if he'd said there was nothing he could have done. After all, he could have rid them all of a guy no one liked, not to mention the competition for Kate, by simply letting his thumb slip just a little bit. But Sayid is disappointed enough in himself. Right now, just about his own actions. But I wonder when he's gonna start thinking about what Locke said and how he manipulated him. Jack. Jack keeps letting himself get pulled this way and that, going halfway along paths he doesn't really want to go on, but not really willing to commit himself completely. Makes me think back to how his mom manuevered him. Lola So, thoughts on preview for next week. Anyone wondering if we're gonna meet maybe-not-so-dead French lady?
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:23:25 GMT -5
*bows to her adoring fans* *and ducks the fruit being thrown* ;D *lands one anyway* ;D
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 10, 2004 20:23:35 GMT -5
what more would you want from a tv show? It doesn't seem to be sacrificing much....it was pretty brutal...and talk about your gray behavior...just TRY to pick out a "hero" here... I like the show. The acting is top notch. It is good quality overall. I don't think it quite has the subtlety and artistry, in the writing, that we got in the Jossverse, or we are getting in VM. I wouldn't rate it quite as highly. Some of this could be "new show jitters" as well. First seasons are often not as good as coming seasons, as everyone is still working on "gelling."
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