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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2004 20:24:54 GMT -5
Creepy trailer. Poor Sayid. Man, that Kate gets major kissage. Sawyer and now Sayid kisses her hand. I wanna hate her, but I can't. This show is interesting me, but I think, being on a major network, it makes sacrifices to the mainstream, and though it's good - it's not as good as it could be. Yep. The mainstream stuff is what makes some of the eps just a bit too . . . pat. Too neatly rounded up. Ah, we're all just spoiled by the Joss. Lola Sad, but really really true.
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Post by Sara on Nov 10, 2004 20:25:16 GMT -5
what more would you want from a tv show? It doesn't seem to be sacrificing much....it was pretty brutal...and talk about your gray behavior...just TRY to pick out a "hero" here... Tonight, I'd award the mantle to Kate. She didn't let her dislike for Sawyer get in the way of her empathy, or attempting to understand him. And despite how she felt about what they did to Sawyer, she doesn't seem to be holding on to any animosity toward Jack and Sayid.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:25:21 GMT -5
I agree. He hates what he's become, and probably would rather be dead than look at himself in the mirror anymore. In a way he reminds me of Faith in her first appearance on Angel,; he opted to be the torturee instead of the torturer, but both of them did what they did in hopes of getting someone to kill them. yes...although the image I got was 'what can I say...I've always been bad." He even took another name when he became the thing he hated.
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Post by Nickim on Nov 10, 2004 20:26:14 GMT -5
But Sayid is disappointed enough in himself. Right now, just about his own actions. But I wonder when he's gonna start thinking about what Locke said and how he manipulated him. Jack. Jack keeps letting himself get pulled this way and that, going halfway along paths he doesn't really want to go on, but not really willing to commit himself completely. Makes me think back to how his mom manuevered him. Lola So, thoughts on preview for next week. Anyone wondering if we're gonna meet maybe-not-so-dead French lady? I don't know if it's her, but it is someone who's been there long enough to have electricity.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:28:23 GMT -5
Ahh, I think I like that stream. Very refreshing. ;D Oh, Mr. Locke. You just seemed sooooo suspicious right there. "Anyone who watches TV could make a slow fuse". Uh huh. And what have you been learning from the TV, hmmmm? Kate. Yes, she's willing to take one for the team. She's so selfless. **wipes away a tear of gratitude** LOL on the "can't even take money from a baby" line. So true! Lola So, who do you think might be a good match for our Charlie, then? Got any idle thoughts about the matter? Don't hide your feelings now. ;D This episode was so full of deep stuff and action and anger...so my favorite line was? 'while I'm gone, get a chocolate sundae and when I get back, I'll use you for a dish.' just shoot me.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 10, 2004 20:28:26 GMT -5
Shannon and her brother....really really really close. Not sure about them. You've been watching too much VM.
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Post by LilRed on Nov 10, 2004 20:30:07 GMT -5
It works either way. If the letter had been written to him, and he dispised his behavior, he might easily consider himself worthy only of being hated, so he made sure he was. And since he wrote the letter, and then became the thing he dispised, the same thing applies. My thoughts about the letter are that Sawyer (I'm gonna keep calling him that since I don't know his name.) isn't ready to give up his hatred of the man that destroyed his family. But I suppose that he could also hate himself. Although from the flashbacks, we're led to believe that he walked away from the deal. You know, we didn't find out why he was in Australia. All of the other flashbacks, we were given reasons for people being in Australia.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2004 20:30:57 GMT -5
I don't know....Sayid was taught to use those tactics- Jack was taught not to. Jack is still weaker than I'd like him to be. Question...what is the meaning of Sawyer ALMOST but not quite burning that letter.... would burning it have meant that he is putting aside the past and starting over? or did not burning it mean he will wants to remember who he became, so he isn't that any more. These actors are just terrific. And Rob....how about that....they heard our comments and addressed them with Hurley... I love it when it does feel like someone has anticipated or heard our comments. I loved this episode - as painful as it was. I'm not sure about the not burned letter thing. I'm afraid it means he's not ready to really listen to what Kate was saying. Not ready to move past his "I'm gonna make you hate me right away because I'm afraid you really will hate me 'cuz I hate me" gig. I also really liked the scene with Hurley. He was just so . . . perfectly eye-rollingly "I can't belive you said that and yet I can 'cuz I have learned jerky people say and think stuff like that all the time". And it was perfect that they had it be Charlie who stepped in it, 'cuz he walks around half the time with his foot in his mouth and the other half doing the sweetest things. He's such a dork. I mean a sweet dork, but a dork. Lola
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 10, 2004 20:32:03 GMT -5
But Sayid is disappointed enough in himself. Right now, just about his own actions. But I wonder when he's gonna start thinking about what Locke said and how he manipulated him. Jack. Jack keeps letting himself get pulled this way and that, going halfway along paths he doesn't really want to go on, but not really willing to commit himself completely. Makes me think back to how his mom manuevered him. Lola So, thoughts on preview for next week. Anyone wondering if we're gonna meet maybe-not-so-dead French lady? French lady? Sacre bleu! She's dead I say, dead! This show has many fun things to try to figure out. I'm not sure who set that trap for Sayid, but I sure wish she'd teach me how you set up one of those things.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 10, 2004 20:36:05 GMT -5
My thoughts about the letter are that Sawyer (I'm gonna keep calling him that since I don't know his name.) isn't ready to give up his hatred of the man that destroyed his family. But I suppose that he could also hate himself. Although from the flashbacks, we're led to believe that he walked away from the deal. You know, we didn't find out why he was in Australia. All of the other flashbacks, we were given reasons for people being in Australia. Oh - I didn't think about that. He's in the USA the whole way, isn't he? Maybe the answer is in the fact that the one guy threatened him - since he didn't go through with the deal, he wasn't going to be able to show any profit. Maybe he ran in fear for his life, but then was heading back when the plane went down? Very Kate-like - in Australia, running away?
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Post by LilRed on Nov 10, 2004 20:37:09 GMT -5
So, thoughts on preview for next week. Anyone wondering if we're gonna meet maybe-not-so-dead French lady? Do you suppose the electric light could be part of Sayid's flashback, rather than something that's on the island. Maybe the trap he steps in is one of Locke's snares, and the knife is from Locke cutting him down. They do seem to like to try to mislead us in those trailers.
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Post by Sara on Nov 10, 2004 20:37:28 GMT -5
I like the show. The acting is top notch. It is good quality overall. I don't think it quite has the subtlety and artistry, in the writing, that we got in the Jossverse, or we are getting in VM. I wouldn't rate it quite as highly. Some of this could be "new show jitters" as well. First seasons are often not as good as coming seasons, as everyone is still working on "gelling." There was an interesting article today in the NY Times about Lost--because of when the producers came up with the outline for the show, they ended up having less than 12 weeks between the moment they got the go-ahead and the day they started filming. And when they got the greenlight they only had the outline, not a finished script. So essentially they were casting the show while the parts were still being written. Moreover, not only did they begin the casting process after other pilots had already begun shooting, but they only had a three-week window to do it in--three weeks to find 14 principal actors and dozens of extras who would commit to working and living in Oahu for the duration of the series. This all lead to some interesting changes. For example, Charlie was originally conceived of as a middle-aged businessman with a drug problem. Sawyer was going to be a New Zealander. Jack was supposed to die in the first episode. The lady who plays Sun originally read for Kate, and J.J. liked her audition enough to essentially create a character for her. And Evangeline Lilly was one of the last women to audition for the role of Kate, barely getting her audition tape in under the wire. So yeah, it may take this show a little while to gel as they all catch their breath and figure out what they've got.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:37:38 GMT -5
I like the show. The acting is top notch. It is good quality overall. I don't think it quite has the subtlety and artistry, in the writing, that we got in the Jossverse, or we are getting in VM. I wouldn't rate it quite as highly. Some of this could be "new show jitters" as well. First seasons are often not as good as coming seasons, as everyone is still working on "gelling." hm...I am enjoying it more than I did season seven of Buffy or season four or five of Angel..
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:38:26 GMT -5
Yep. The mainstream stuff is what makes some of the eps just a bit too . . . pat. Too neatly rounded up. Ah, we're all just spoiled by the Joss. Lola Sad, but really really true. what mainstream stuff? Really wondering.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:39:25 GMT -5
Tonight, I'd award the mantle to Kate. She didn't let her dislike for Sawyer get in the way of her empathy, or attempting to understand him. And despite how she felt about what they did to Sawyer, she doesn't seem to be holding on to any animosity toward Jack and Sayid. well, true...but she also got hot kissage...which seemed for a moment there to help a lot with the empathy. *grin*
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