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Post by Nickim on Nov 10, 2004 20:39:26 GMT -5
My thoughts about the letter are that Sawyer (I'm gonna keep calling him that since I don't know his name.) isn't ready to give up his hatred of the man that destroyed his family. But I suppose that he could also hate himself. Although from the flashbacks, we're led to believe that he walked away from the deal. You know, we didn't find out why he was in Australia. All of the other flashbacks, we were given reasons for people being in Australia. Found the original Sawyer?
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Post by Sara on Nov 10, 2004 20:39:30 GMT -5
My thoughts about the letter are that Sawyer (I'm gonna keep calling him that since I don't know his name.) isn't ready to give up his hatred of the man that destroyed his family. But I suppose that he could also hate himself. Although from the flashbacks, we're led to believe that he walked away from the deal. You know, we didn't find out why he was in Australia. All of the other flashbacks, we were given reasons for people being in Australia. And this was also the first time an episode didn't begin by focusing on someone's eye/eyes.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2004 20:39:51 GMT -5
I agree. He hates what he's become, and probably would rather be dead than look at himself in the mirror anymore. In a way he reminds me of Faith in her first appearance on Angel,; he opted to be the torturee instead of the torturer, but both of them did what they did in hopes of getting someone to kill them. Oooh, I hadn't thought of a comparison to Faith. But you're very right there. And when Jack hit him those two times, he kept taunting him but not doing anthing back. He really wanted Jack to keep going, I think. Lola
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Post by LilRed on Nov 10, 2004 20:41:06 GMT -5
Oh - I didn't think about that. He's in the USA the whole way, isn't he? Maybe the answer is in the fact that the one guy threatened him - since he didn't go through with the deal, he wasn't going to be able to show any profit. Maybe he ran in fear for his life, but then was heading back when the plane went down? Very Kate-like - in Australia, running away? I didn't think about running away. I really like that idea. There would be consequences from his walking away from the deal. A definite possibility!
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Post by Vlad on Nov 10, 2004 20:41:28 GMT -5
OK - we're going for stream of consciousness again here . . . Yes! You are beginning your Spring-brain-tour! Everyone fasten your seat belts. Extinguish all cigarettes. And please: No wagering. Sawyer shows off the goods. Wow. And may I also add: Wow.
Charlie - why are you cheating on Shannon by flirting shamelessly with Claire?? If the poor girl has an asthma attack and dies a virgin (yeah, that's right, you heard me), it will be all your fault!! KATE(about Sawyer): He says we have a connection. JACK: Do you have a connection? KATE: Please. My goodness, she is polite! KATE (to Sawyer): I've seen you, you know. Mr Sawyer - All naked in front of Kate, and Kate only. Locke - all but naming himself as the assailant, here, under the surface. But on the surface, casting suspicion on Sawyer. Giving Sayid the means by which to kill Sawyer? Oh - how very black and white of him. Divide and conquer?
Sawyer - pushing everyone past the point of civility, bluffing husband-Dave into giving him money. Bluffing them all into giving him what he wants now: Punishment.
Charlie!! Shannon can barely breathe and you're talking about peanut butter with Claire??
DEALS - trades - exchanges -
Michael - not so good with the sushi. KATE: "If you do this . . ." IMPLIED: "You're no better than he is." Well, now, that's Sawyer's whole idea, isn't it? Sawyer - scamming husband and wife. Dangerous, dangerous games - till someone really, really gets hurt. Kate agrees to a kiss: And she goes above and beyond the call of duty!! What a giver! What a soldier for the cause. Sawyer earns himself a little more punishment. Every Sawyer has a death wish. Sawyer would watch Jack die? Another bluff, to get Jack to give him what he wants. Sawyer: Push comes to shove - he can't even take money from a baby. Couldn't go through with it.
Sawyer: Became who he hated, hates himself now. Half-naked and wounded, in front of Kate. Spring you are jsut outrageous! *laughing so hard* I might hire you to punch up my reviews. Vlad
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2004 20:42:09 GMT -5
Shannon and her brother....really really really close. Not sure about them. LOL! I keep going to the Veronica Mars possible plot line thoughts now . . . . Lola
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:42:49 GMT -5
But Sayid is disappointed enough in himself. Right now, just about his own actions. But I wonder when he's gonna start thinking about what Locke said and how he manipulated him. Jack. Jack keeps letting himself get pulled this way and that, going halfway along paths he doesn't really want to go on, but not really willing to commit himself completely. Makes me think back to how his mom manuevered him. Lola So, thoughts on preview for next week. Anyone wondering if we're gonna meet maybe-not-so-dead French lady? It's obviously Sayid's backstory next week - which completes the major players doesn't it? We have Hurley and the sibs, Michael and son... I'm wondering how the story will proceed at that point. But next week does seem to break open another door doesn't it?
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:44:24 GMT -5
My thoughts about the letter are that Sawyer (I'm gonna keep calling him that since I don't know his name.) isn't ready to give up his hatred of the man that destroyed his family. But I suppose that he could also hate himself. Although from the flashbacks, we're led to believe that he walked away from the deal. You know, we didn't find out why he was in Australia. All of the other flashbacks, we were given reasons for people being in Australia. leaving the country to avoid being whacked by the guy with the pool cue might be one reason.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:45:21 GMT -5
French lady? Sacre bleu! She's dead I say, dead! This show has many fun things to try to figure out. I'm not sure who set that trap for Sayid, but I sure wish she'd teach me how you set up one of those things. LOLOL!!!
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 10, 2004 20:45:50 GMT -5
what mainstream stuff? Really wondering. I'm getting the vibes that it's not going to be so daring and innovative as BtVS. It can't be in some ways - it's on ABC. I'm getting those vibes from what seems to me to be lesser quality in the writing - not so sharp, daring, or clever or subtle. I can't imagine a Lost equivalent of "Hush" or "The Body" or "OMWF" or some others. Definitely - I am talking about my own personal "first impressions" and reactions. I know it's not going to strike everyone this way, and I may change my mind as time passes and there is more "gelling."
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:46:38 GMT -5
Do you suppose the electric light could be part of Sayid's flashback, rather than something that's on the island. Maybe the trap he steps in is one of Locke's snares, and the knife is from Locke cutting him down. They do seem to like to try to mislead us in those trailers. very good....I don't know if you're right but it makes more sense than giving us the big plot surprise in the preview. This isn't the WB after all. thank god.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2004 20:47:00 GMT -5
*sneaks up behind Nicki while she's wiping off Patti's fruit stains, tickles her and steals half her smarty mcsmart pants brains* Hey, I have mega more meetings and work stuff tomorrow! I need all the brains I can get! ;D Lola Just to be all on topic-y. So, Jin is realizing there is a bit more going on than just his worry about Sun flashing a bit too much skin. But how long can she hide English? I kind of liked his final look at her when she was putting the eucalyptis on Shannon. Like he was suddenly remembering a bit of respect for her, seeing her real skills like that.
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Post by LilRed on Nov 10, 2004 20:47:45 GMT -5
Tonight, I'd award the mantle to Kate. She didn't let her dislike for Sawyer get in the way of her empathy, or attempting to understand him. And despite how she felt about what they did to Sawyer, she doesn't seem to be holding on to any animosity toward Jack and Sayid. I also liked Kate tonight. She really seemed to be more together in this episode. It seems like the writers are really trying to give everyone lots of shades of grey. And whoever commented about picking a hero, it appears that the "hero" is not going to be consistently one person. I think I really like that idea.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 10, 2004 20:48:19 GMT -5
There was an interesting article today in the NY Times about Lost--because of when the producers came up with the outline for the show, they ended up having less than 12 weeks between the moment they got the go-ahead and the day they started filming. And when they got the greenlight they only had the outline, not a finished script. So essentially they were casting the show while the parts were still being written. Moreover, not only did they begin the casting process after other pilots had already begun shooting, but they only had a three-week window to do it in--three weeks to find 14 principal actors and dozens of extras who would commit to working and living in Oahu for the duration of the series. This all lead to some interesting changes. For example, Charlie was originally conceived of as a middle-aged businessman with a drug problem. Sawyer was going to be a New Zealander. Jack was supposed to die in the first episode. The lady who plays Sun originally read for Kate, and J.J. liked her audition enough to essentially create a character for her. And Evangeline Lilly was one of the last women to audition for the role of Kate, barely getting her audition tape in under the wire. So yeah, it may take this show a little while to gel as they all catch their breath and figure out what they've got. that's very interesting! Jack was supposed to DIE...they must have liked the actor a lot! I've heard of this happening before.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2004 20:49:05 GMT -5
I like the show. The acting is top notch. It is good quality overall. I don't think it quite has the subtlety and artistry, in the writing, that we got in the Jossverse, or we are getting in VM. I wouldn't rate it quite as highly. Some of this could be "new show jitters" as well. First seasons are often not as good as coming seasons, as everyone is still working on "gelling." Yes, I gotta keep reminding myself of this on both shows. I mean, first seasons are all about introducing the characters, etc. and often suffer a bit in comparison to the same show's later episodes in complexity, etc. And mostly, I am really liking all that they are doing. Just noticing how much more of a "regular network" show it is. Lola
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