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Post by Nickim on Dec 2, 2004 20:59:38 GMT -5
Agreed. And also - if there is something evil and funky going on on the island, Logic Guy might be more able to resist it. Or not...CFL was a logic-gal, too, I assume. Perhaps Danielle was too logical to accept the strange things that happened and that's why she thought her husband was sick. If anyone had known about Locke before the crash, they'd probably be pretty freaked out. Maybe even enough for someone to shoot them.
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Post by William the Bloody on Dec 3, 2004 9:22:03 GMT -5
The screaming, the sweating. the breathing. We've seen it on dozens of TV shows, don't need to see Claire going through it, too. They shot the Marshall because he was suffering, would they shoot Claire if the labor was long and difficult? LOLOLOLOL! Can we shoot Jin under those same parameters? Well, he's difficult anyway ;D Vlad
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Post by Nickim on Dec 3, 2004 13:53:03 GMT -5
LOLOLOLOL! Can we shoot Jin under those same parameters? Well, he's difficult anyway ;D Vlad What is your problem with Jin? Ah, I think I'm beginning to understand--you're just jealous cause Sun married him and not you. Get over it! There's lots of beautiful women still available, they may not have Korean Mafia bosses for a dad, but you can't have everything. ;D
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Post by Sara on Dec 3, 2004 15:02:52 GMT -5
The screaming, the sweating. the breathing. We've seen it on dozens of TV shows, don't need to see Claire going through it, too. They shot the Marshall because he was suffering, would they shoot Claire if the labor was long and difficult? Only if she was dying, I imagine; they killed the marshall not because he was suffering per se, but because nothing they could do would change the fact that he was not going to recover. So it was a matter of using up all their medicine on alleviating his pain as much as they could (which didn't seem to be a whole lot given their limited array of drugs) and then watching him suffer even more until the inevitable happened, or doing what they did. Besides, considering how many episodes are left, the way we only seem to cover a day or two per episode, and Jack's estimate of her due date, Claire will probably end up giving birth toward the final episodes of the season. Who knows--the cliffhanger may simply be seeing her go into labor, leaving us an entire summer to wonder how things turn out: does Claire survive? does the baby? is it a boy or a girl? And, most important, how many times will Charlie faint during the delivery?
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Post by havoc on Dec 5, 2004 4:09:50 GMT -5
Besides, considering how many episodes are left, the way we only seem to cover a day or two per episode, and Jack's estimate of her due date, Claire will probably end up giving birth toward the final episodes of the season. Who knows--the cliffhanger may simply be seeing her go into labor, leaving us an entire summer to wonder how things turn out: does Claire survive? does the baby? is it a boy or a girl? And, most important, how many times will Charlie faint during the delivery? Bingo on the Marshal; but, I don't get the impression Charlie would actually faint somehow. On the other hand, it would be funny. The cave in and his reaction to the false-labor lead me to believe he'd hold up pretty well. But I'm trying to imagine who else might flop over and my gut keeps saying Hurly for what that's worth. Big guy on the inside for the most part, laid back, practical - he'd faint. lol.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Dec 5, 2004 9:20:16 GMT -5
Bingo on the Marshal; but, I don't get the impression Charlie would actually faint somehow. On the other hand, it would be funny. The cave in and his reaction to the false-labor lead me to believe he'd hold up pretty well. But I'm trying to imagine who else might flop over and my gut keeps saying Hurly for what that's worth. Big guy on the inside for the most part, laid back, practical - he'd faint. lol. Hi, Havoc. Good points! Yes, I can see Hurley going faint at the sight of blood. Come over and play on the main thread next time you're here; we get very silly, but good discussions go on too.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Dec 5, 2004 17:01:29 GMT -5
Only if she was dying, I imagine; they killed the marshall not because he was suffering per se, but because nothing they could do would change the fact that he was not going to recover. So it was a matter of using up all their medicine on alleviating his pain as much as they could (which didn't seem to be a whole lot given their limited array of drugs) and then watching him suffer even more until the inevitable happened, or doing what they did. Besides, considering how many episodes are left, the way we only seem to cover a day or two per episode, and Jack's estimate of her due date, Claire will probably end up giving birth toward the final episodes of the season. Who knows--the cliffhanger may simply be seeing her go into labor, leaving us an entire summer to wonder how things turn out: does Claire survive? does the baby? is it a boy or a girl? And, most important, how many times will Charlie faint during the delivery? I counted up during the episode and I believe Claire is 8 1/2 months pregnant - so I'm expecting the birth to be soon. Perhaps this week's show even.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Dec 5, 2004 17:02:55 GMT -5
Bingo on the Marshal; but, I don't get the impression Charlie would actually faint somehow. On the other hand, it would be funny. The cave in and his reaction to the false-labor lead me to believe he'd hold up pretty well. But I'm trying to imagine who else might flop over and my gut keeps saying Hurly for what that's worth. Big guy on the inside for the most part, laid back, practical - he'd faint. lol. I said hi to you on the main board 'Havoc'. Nice to have you join us! Looking forward to getting to know you. *smile*
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 6, 2005 20:00:33 GMT -5
Vlad: Well, this was the ep I missed, and you don't make me feel too sorry about that . . . So, anyhow, can't give you too much feedback on the review, except to say that I agree about Sawyer's sunglasses. He must be very secure in his masculinity, no? Liked the observation on Claire's name . . . and yes, why don't they put the pooch to work in tracking Claire? But I suppose as a house pet, he may not really know how to do that. BACK TO WORK, VLAD!
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jan 6, 2005 20:48:20 GMT -5
You're right. The problem with Claire's backstory is that we could have all gotten together and written it ourselves, (much like your imagined writer's conference!) whereas a great deal of the delight in most all other episodes is that we are taken on a roller coaster with twists and turns every few minutes. It still had its moments, as you pointed out - and 'accomplished' what was needed for the arc. But the sparkle was not in Claire's backstory. (And yes, much of it was in Sawyer's sunglasses!)
I do love the bits you pointed out - the conversation between Claire and Charley - and her look when he tells her he can deliver the baby since he is doing so well with quitting drugs...
And Hurley = kewl.
My ! oohh wow ! moments from your review this time were...
that's really kind of scary considering the island...I get more of the feel of 'slouching toward Bethlehem' than 'savior' here...
I hope not, but ...BIG METAL THING IN THE GROUND... just sayin'.
Finally, this made me laugh out loud!
You did a fine job with a lackluster episode Vlad! So I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with the next which was a lot better!
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Post by Linda on Jan 7, 2005 1:22:30 GMT -5
Hi Vlad! Eetah with your review! Thank you for articulating why you felt that this episode was not all that great. My overall feeling was "meh," but I couldn’t quite figure out why. So thanks. My strongest emotional reaction to this episode: when my recording cut off just as Hurley rushed into the cave saying he'd made a major discovery. (FYI, my reaction was AAAAAAAAACK!!!!!) Thank goodness for the discussion here. I didn't have to wait until the next episode to learn about the big mystery. Especial eeetah with you that Hurley!Hugo saved the day. (Hurley backstory: want it! Soon! Do you know if Drew Goddard gets to write that one? 'Cause that'd be cool, IMO.) For the record, I like Claire. I think her character could be interesting. But her turning points here didn't feel character-based to me. They felt plot-based. Meh. Linda, although gotta say that Hawaii was still pretty.
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Post by William the Bloody on Jan 7, 2005 9:41:45 GMT -5
Hi Vlad! Eetah with your review! Thank you for articulating why you felt that this episode was not all that great. My overall feeling was "meh," but I couldn’t quite figure out why. So thanks. My strongest emotional reaction to this episode: when my recording cut off just as Hurley rushed into the cave saying he'd made a major discovery. (FYI, my reaction was AAAAAAAAACK!!!!!) Thank goodness for the discussion here. I didn't have to wait until the next episode to learn about the big mystery. Especial eeetah with you that Hurley!Hugo saved the day. (Hurley backstory: want it! Soon! Do you know if Drew Goddard gets to write that one? 'Cause that'd be cool, IMO.) For the record, I like Claire. I think her character could be interesting. But her turning points here didn't feel character-based to me. They felt plot-based. Meh. Linda, although gotta say that Hawaii was still pretty. Thanks! It was really hard for me to write a (mostly) negative review for an episode of a series that I am really enjoying overall. The only thing that was harder and what I discovered to be my real balking point: trying to write a positive review for something I didn't really enjoy as if nothing had gone wrong. And for the record, I too like Claire... both the character and the actress who plays her. Perhaps we'll get some 'better' character development further along as we see what that evil Ethan has done with her. Vlad
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Post by Nickim on Jan 7, 2005 18:54:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the review, Vlad. I must give you a big ITA for just about everything you said about this episode.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 7, 2005 22:25:34 GMT -5
Hey, Vlad! Nice review on the episode, especially when you didn’t care much for it.
The actual pregnancy story, as you say, was pretty “yawn, yawn, BTDT” as far as stories go. If they wanted to increase the mysterioso aspect of the Clair pregnancy story, they could have made the oddness start even before the introduction of the psychic and the plane crash and kidnap. Like you said, a lot of story here seemed driven by “gotta get the scene set for future plot points”.
The psychic plotline (not hotline), however, I did find intriguing, because of the different possible implications we were handed by the end of the story. Whether or not this is a believable concept in the real world isn’t really the point to me. We’re talking about this fictional island, and wacky stuff is pretty much the norm there, so I’m goin’ with the flow. Is the baby a not-good baby or did the psychic see danger for the baby? If the baby is not-good, are we talking mutant-Dr. Moreau not-good baby or raised-by-wackos-on-the-island-grow-up-to-become-pyscho not-good baby? Was the psychic trying to kill Claire and the baby or save them by getting her on that flight? Did he see as far as the crash, or surviving the crash, or things happening after surviving the crash? Did “you must raise this child” mean “you must raise this child while stranded on an island” or “you must raise this child, hey, watch out for the loonies on the island who want to grab it”?
Very much in agreement with you that, if I had to fault Lost for something, it would be how they are sometimes tempted to slip over the line from “excitingly over-the-top” into “melodramatically over-the-top”. It’s only the occasional detail that will jar me. For example, the way they had Jack do the CPR on Charlie bugged me like the screaming bugged you in this ep. However, it tends to be just the odd bit here and there, usually I am carried right along with the show and can hardly believe we’re at the end of the hour when it comes. As you mentioned, this show has been really very good at taking a cliché and neatly twisting it.
Like you, I really liked Hurley’s cataloguing of the survivors. Time after time, Hurley is the one to cut right through all the posturing and running around that the others are doing, get to the heart of the matter, come up with a plan and put it into place. All with an easy going, “hey dude” ease that I really like. The lines you quoted (“I’m out here looking for some psycho with Scott and Steve, right? And I’m realizing…who are Scott and Steve?”) are just such a perfect way of explaining the heart of the problem. None of them really knows who the others are at all.
Very good point about Claire’s dream about Locke, our poster child of duality. The fact that she sees him with white and black “eyes”, mirroring his earlier actions with the game pieces, (as you point out, something that Claire didn’t see), is a taste of what we can expect from him, I think. Add in the way that he and Ethan were hanging out a lot (as you mentioned) and the wacky stuff going on with him and Boone and I’m really really interested in seeing more of what’s up with Mr. Locke.
Charley and Claire? Very cute. And thanks for mentioning the song that Claire wanted sung to her child. Nothing on this show is a throw away, so I think we all better think a bit about the lyrics to this song as well as the French one.
Finally – the photo recap? **snerk** “Nice shades.”
Lola
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 26, 2006 20:49:43 GMT -5
Why is Locke the spokesperson in Claire's dream? Because she finds him as creepy as we do?
Cradle with airplane-mobile
White and Black eyes. Creepy!
Jacked talked in his sleep and his girlfriend didn't like what he said.
Is this guy the father?
Guy- Artist, Claire- retail associate
Mom disowned Claire?
Kate's sinking. Cool. I like doing that, until I fall over that is.
Sayid's been gone almost a week.
For a second I thought Charlie was shirtless #yikes#, but luckily he wasn't.
So, a for real psychic?
What freaked the psychic out so much?
Everyone was asleep after Claire was screaming so loud?
Hurley is just full of common sense, isn't he?
Why is Hurley "Hurley" anyway?
Charlie is really laying it on thick isn't he?
So dad chickened out. I have been wondering about this since forever.
What is Locke doing now? Aloe and sand on metal.
Locke lived in Tuscan, CA
Jack thinks Claire is crying wolf?
Ethan's from Ontario, is he really?
Oooh, I wouldn't take sedatives either.
The psychic saw a "blurry thing"
Claire must raise the baby herself. Danger otherwise.
Shannon is 20.
Yay, Hurley for needling Sawyer.
Poor Claire, attracting Charlie like a leech.
Pens not working, a sign?
Charlie looks silly when he runs.
Yeah, the psychic knew.
Locke is not pleased by Sayid's return
I like the pacing of this part of the episode.
46 survivors
Ethan looks diseased or deformed. Good casting and or make-up.
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