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Post by Becky H on Dec 9, 2004 10:19:00 GMT -5
Couldn't sleep, back still hurting a bit. So, I watched the episode again - the last letter still on Charlie's index finger when they found him. I noted the gauze on the eyes of the patient in the backstory segments for Jack - they do that to prevent damage to the eyes if they should open during surgery. May or may not be a clue; but, they hover on her face several times. Havoc, that was a great catch - I'd forgotten about the patient's eyes being covered. We've talked before about eyes and their significance here, how often the opening shot focusses on someone's eye and then pulls back. I think we were treated to more layers of that in this episode. First, Jack's eyes in the OR when his Dad wants him to call the time of death were as black and opaque as one of Locke's backgammon pieces. What is he not letting himself see? Second, the patient's eyes are partially obscured with gauze. I'm not sure what to make of this except I get a sense that it reflects the ambiguities surrounding her death (and her baby's!). Third, Charlie is physically blindfolded. But didn't he see more clearly than Jack (to whom he seems to be this episode's mirror) what was really going on? Sure, the blindfold is a clearly creepy kidnapping thing but I think it's also some sort of metaphorical warning to Jack: there is none so blind as he who will not see. That's my take and I'm sticking to it! (At least until I've had some more coffee...).
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Post by Barb on Dec 9, 2004 10:28:17 GMT -5
Thanks. I think I stole this one from Barb Cummings, long may she wave. No.... I made it for you. So you didn't steal it, either. Remember? I made you one and you wanted it shorter, and I remade it again...and this was the result. I assure you...I'm not Barb Cummings. Barb Watson. That's me. But..."long may she wave"? What's that about? ;D
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Post by SpringSummers on Dec 9, 2004 10:57:46 GMT -5
No.... I made it for you. So you didn't steal it, either. Remember? I made you one and you wanted it shorter, and I remade it again...and this was the result. I assure you...I'm not Barb Cummings. Barb Watson. That's me. But..."long may she wave"? What's that about? ;D Sounds like Nan got her Barbs mixed up. Hello, Barb Watson! You are skilled at avatar making. The avatar really works as a funny, because the only way some of those publicity shots for Spike could more obviously feature his crotch would be if he painted a big, downward pointing red arrow onto his T-shirt. Taking a chance and speaking for Nan, "long may she wave" is a term usually used in relation to the flag, and just means "may she keep on doing what she's doing." But back to Lost, we haven't had much commentary on the strange title of this episode. I understand the "daddy issues" part - Walt and his daddy issues, Jack and his daddy issues, but the cowboy part?
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Post by Barb on Dec 9, 2004 11:05:58 GMT -5
Sounds like Nan got her Barbs mixed up. Hello, Barb Watson! You are skilled at avatar making. The avatar really works as a funny, because the only way some of those publicity shots for Spike could more obviously feature his crotch would be if he painted a big, downward pointing red arrow onto his T-shirt. Taking a chance and speaking for Nan, "long may she wave" is a term usually used in relation to the flag, and just means "may she keep on doing what she's doing." But back to Lost, we haven't had much commentary on the strange title of this episode. I understand the "daddy issues" part - Walt and his daddy issues, Jack and his daddy issues, but the cowboy part? Hee! Crotch featuring. *snicker* {{Spring}} Ah! Okay with the waving. ;D Thanks. Well, the cowboy thing....who were the BEST cowboys, so we can have a comparison? John Wayne? The boys from Bonanza? Gunsmoke? Roy Rogers? Although....my favorite cowboy was Michael Biehn in "Tombstone"......evil, but smooth and educated. Anyone like THAT on the island? What if Ethan isn't evil, but merely insane. Delusional. Like Jack thought Claire was. Insane and paranoid. Hmmm.
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Post by SpringSummers on Dec 9, 2004 11:40:45 GMT -5
Hee! Crotch featuring. *snicker* {{Spring}} Ah! Okay with the waving. ;D Thanks. Well, the cowboy thing....who were the BEST cowboys, so we can have a comparison? John Wayne? The boys from Bonanza? Gunsmoke? Roy Rogers? Although....my favorite cowboy was Michael Biehn in "Tombstone"......evil, but smooth and educated. Anyone like THAT on the island? What if Ethan isn't evil, but merely insane. Delusional. Like Jack thought Claire was. Insane and paranoid. Hmmm. I'm not sure what to make of the "Cowboy" thing. Locke seems to be presented as the main Cowboy in the episode, with his tracking skills, and the way Walt and Boone seem to view him . . . but we don't get anything about daddy issues on him. I just don't have a good bead on this title. I didn't tape this, and my memory isn't good enough to cull out examples in the dialogue and images that might clear it up for me. Interesting thought on Jack's reference to Claire being delusional. There's another reference like that, when Kate thinks Jack imagined Ethan. Hmmm. I wish I had more thoughts on that than just hmmmmm. But that's all I got.
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Post by Nickim on Dec 9, 2004 12:09:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure what to make of the "Cowboy" thing. Locke seems to be presented as the main Cowboy in the episode, with his tracking skills, and the way Walt and Boone seem to view him . . . but we don't get anything about daddy issues on him. I just don't have a good bead on this title. I didn't tape this, and my memory isn't good enough to cull out examples in the dialogue and images that might clear it up for me. Interesting thought on Jack's reference to Claire being delusional. There's another reference like that, when Kate things Jack imagined Ethan. Hmmm. I wish I had more thoughts on that than just hmmmmm. But that's all I got. And, apparently Claire wasn't being delusional--someone really was after her baby. I don't think Jack was being delusional, either. I think that fight was very real.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Dec 9, 2004 12:39:39 GMT -5
Oh, Sonovabitch.... JJ, you bastard... I believe in fairies, I believe in fairies, I believe in Hobbits YESSSS!!! HOLY CRAP but that took a lot outta me. Why? God, I'm nuts. That's it exactly. Phew!
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Dec 9, 2004 12:44:17 GMT -5
Not Aliens, I tell you - not Aliens! I just don't want this show to turn into The X-Files. Spring, I cannot believe that you, of all people, are trying to Scully me. There is something supernatural at work here. Get your books! Look stuff up!
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Post by Nickim on Dec 9, 2004 12:58:52 GMT -5
Spring, I cannot believe that you, of all people, are trying to Scully me. There is something supernatural at work here. Get your books! Look stuff up! Got to be something supernatural. I think Spring just doesn't want it to be aliens.
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Post by SpringSummers on Dec 9, 2004 13:38:30 GMT -5
Spring, I cannot believe that you, of all people, are trying to Scully me. There is something supernatural at work here. Get your books! Look stuff up! Hee. Will do, Buffster.
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Post by havoc on Dec 9, 2004 14:25:30 GMT -5
My wild theory of the morning. The bunker's a fallout shelter leftover from Pacific Island nuclear weapons testing? That's a thought. Could be something to it.
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Post by havoc on Dec 9, 2004 14:26:45 GMT -5
Havoc, that was a great catch - I'd forgotten about the patient's eyes being covered. We've talked before about eyes and their significance here, how often the opening shot focusses on someone's eye and then pulls back. I think we were treated to more layers of that in this episode. First, Jack's eyes in the OR when his Dad wants him to call the time of death were as black and opaque as one of Locke's backgammon pieces. What is he not letting himself see? Second, the patient's eyes are partially obscured with gauze. I'm not sure what to make of this except I get a sense that it reflects the ambiguities surrounding her death (and her baby's!). Third, Charlie is physically blindfolded. But didn't he see more clearly than Jack (to whom he seems to be this episode's mirror) what was really going on? Sure, the blindfold is a clearly creepy kidnapping thing but I think it's also some sort of metaphorical warning to Jack: there is none so blind as he who will not see. That's my take and I'm sticking to it! (At least until I've had some more coffee...). It just seemed too obvious not to have meaning. Too used to playing these interactive games where you hunt clues on the bottom side of the beeswax seal in a toilet if the game lets ya.. lol.
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Post by Karen on Dec 9, 2004 15:07:43 GMT -5
The more Sawyer screen-time the better. Even my mom, who's in her 70's, said, "That black beard and blond hair, wow." I expect that when I'm in my 70's, I'll still be admiring the hotties on TV.
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Post by Karen on Dec 9, 2004 15:14:03 GMT -5
I'm not even convinced of "misguided". I tend to think we're being deliberately misled about Locke - and the one moment today that made me think that yet again was when he said that "someone else could take care of it...temporarily" - like he realized and valued the others' desire to get off the island and back to their lives. And, in the literal sense, he seems to be very well guided - found that manhole cover in the dark. Although the presence of the seemingly black rocks all around it gave me pause. Oh, yeah. I forgot that I noticed those rocks, too. Hmmm.
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Post by Karen on Dec 9, 2004 15:19:16 GMT -5
Havoc, that was a great catch - I'd forgotten about the patient's eyes being covered. We've talked before about eyes and their significance here, how often the opening shot focusses on someone's eye and then pulls back. I think we were treated to more layers of that in this episode. First, Jack's eyes in the OR when his Dad wants him to call the time of death were as black and opaque as one of Locke's backgammon pieces. What is he not letting himself see? Second, the patient's eyes are partially obscured with gauze. I'm not sure what to make of this except I get a sense that it reflects the ambiguities surrounding her death (and her baby's!). Third, Charlie is physically blindfolded. But didn't he see more clearly than Jack (to whom he seems to be this episode's mirror) what was really going on? Sure, the blindfold is a clearly creepy kidnapping thing but I think it's also some sort of metaphorical warning to Jack: there is none so blind as he who will not see. That's my take and I'm sticking to it! (At least until I've had some more coffee...). Oh - this I like. Good stuff Becky and havoc. Maybe the flashlight has significance, too. Locke handed it to Boone and said - you need this more than I do. Then he dropped it, and they found the buried steel whatsit. I'm still disturbed by the vision of seeing Charlie hanging and blindfolded. And he said "I didn't see anything." and then "I don't remember." Or does he just not WANT to remember? Because he seemed to know about "they".
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