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Post by Karen on Dec 13, 2004 12:25:09 GMT -5
Ooh, that's good, Nicki. I really like the sense that they're not listening to the bits of information that they're giving each other to get the whole picture but are only concentrating on what's right in front of them. It's almost like the beam of the flashlight is a type of tunnel vision. Or wait! Since we already have Locke and Rousseau, let's throw in a little Plato. "Allegory of the Cave," anyone? In the light of their camp fires, what shadows are they seeing on their cave walls? And do they dare turn around and face reality? And who are the puppeteers manipulating the shadows? Oh, stop me before I philosphize again. (And if it's been a long time since you thought about Plato, here's a nice explanation: faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm ) This is very interesting, Becky. I can't wait to see how all of this fits together. The previews for the reruns of "Lost" ask the question - "Can you find the clues that you might have missed the first time?" I know I'll be watching again.
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Post by Winter on Dec 27, 2004 11:04:37 GMT -5
Well, I've read all 23 pages, and was surprized to see that in all the references to the blindfold images, no one mentioned Charlie's tattoo seen in an earlier show--"Living is easy with eyes closed"
This being a line from the Beatles' Strawberry Fields, and my memory being hazy, I looked up the words, which I place here for your edification or further puzzlement:
Strawberry Fields (John Lennon/Paul McCartney)
Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout Strawberry Fields forever
Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see It's getting hard to be someone but it all works out, it doesn't matter much to me Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout Strawberry Fields forever
No one I think is in my tree, I mean it must be high or low That is you can't you know tune in but it's all right, that is I think it's not too bad
Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout Strawberry Fields forever
Always, no sometimes, think it's me, but you know I know when it's a dream I think I know I mean a "Yes" but it's all wrong, that is I think I disagree
Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout Strawberry Fields forever Strawberry Fields forever Strawberry Fields forever
No one I think is in my tree?!! Nothing to get hungabout?!!! Could the reference to this song be an important key to the mystery of the island?!! Could I be reading more into it than a sane person would?!!
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Post by SpringSummers on Dec 27, 2004 11:27:09 GMT -5
Well, I've read all 23 pages, and was surprized to see that in all the references to the blindfold images, no one mentioned Charlie's tattoo seen in an earlier show--"Living is easy with eyes closed" This being a line from the Beatles' Strawberry Fields, and my memory being hazy, I looked up the words, which I place here for your edification or further puzzlement: Strawberry Fields (John Lennon/Paul McCartney) Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout Strawberry Fields forever Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see It's getting hard to be someone but it all works out, it doesn't matter much to me Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout Strawberry Fields forever No one I think is in my tree, I mean it must be high or low That is you can't you know tune in but it's all right, that is I think it's not too bad Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout Strawberry Fields forever Always, no sometimes, think it's me, but you know I know when it's a dream I think I know I mean a "Yes" but it's all wrong, that is I think I disagree Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout Strawberry Fields forever Strawberry Fields forever Strawberry Fields forever No one I think is in my tree?!! Nothing to get hungabout?!!! Could the reference to this song be an important key to the mystery of the island?!! Could I be reading more into it than a sane person would?!! Winter! This is MAHVELOUS!!!! I love it! I do not think you are reading more into than a sane person would. Well - what I mean is that I don't think this is coincindental, and at the very least, it is meant to suggest again the dreamlike nature of life on the island. It might be suggesting more than that - but at this point, I don't know what. Nothing is real . . .sometimes, think it's me, but you know I know when it's a dream . . . . is it all someone's dream? Charlie (e.g.) is the only real survivor, having last-moments-of-life dreams on a deserted beach? Interesting catch there, Winter, whatever this turns out to be. Please join us here in this discussion or any other, anytime!
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Post by Karen on Dec 27, 2004 11:46:26 GMT -5
Well, I've read all 23 pages, and was surprized to see that in all the references to the blindfold images, no one mentioned Charlie's tattoo seen in an earlier show--"Living is easy with eyes closed" No one I think is in my tree?!! Nothing to get hungabout?!!! Could the reference to this song be an important key to the mystery of the island?!! Could I be reading more into it than a sane person would?!! Hey, Winter. Cool catch. I forgot about Charlies' tattoo. Very neat how it all connects. I don't know what it all means, but it's very neat. I like this part " It's getting hard to be someone but it all works out, ". I think it's a good omen. nothing to get hungabout - I'm sure that the writers had this in mind all along. I bet there are a lot of other clues that we're still missing. Maybe each are in a sort of suspended animation - working thru their issues - and they'll all wake up on the plane landing in LA.
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Post by Pixi on Dec 27, 2004 16:25:08 GMT -5
That's terrific! Great call Winter. I sometimes find it difficult to read speculation threads because I so seriously don't want to be spoiled in any way regarding LOST but I do tend to read post episode analysis and that's the first time I've read this anywhere. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by havoc on Dec 28, 2004 13:23:31 GMT -5
Well, I've read all 23 pages, and was surprized to see that in all the references to the blindfold images, no one mentioned Charlie's tattoo seen in an earlier show--"Living is easy with eyes closed" This being a line from the Beatles' Strawberry Fields, and my memory being hazy, I looked up the words, which I place here for your edification or further puzzlement: Strawberry Fields (John Lennon/Paul McCartney) Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout Strawberry Fields forever Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see It's getting hard to be someone but it all works out, it doesn't matter much to me Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout Strawberry Fields forever No one I think is in my tree, I mean it must be high or low That is you can't you know tune in but it's all right, that is I think it's not too bad Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout Strawberry Fields forever Always, no sometimes, think it's me, but you know I know when it's a dream I think I know I mean a "Yes" but it's all wrong, that is I think I disagree Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout Strawberry Fields forever Strawberry Fields forever Strawberry Fields forever No one I think is in my tree?!! Nothing to get hungabout?!!! Could the reference to this song be an important key to the mystery of the island?!! Could I be reading more into it than a sane person would?!! One good turn deserves another. I put it together with this from John Lennon: " 'Living is easy with eyes closed. Misunderstanding all you see.' It still goes, doesn't it? Aren't I saying exactly the same thing now? The awareness apparently trying to be expressed is-let's say in one way I was always hip, I was hip in kindergarten. I was different from the others. I was different all my life. " "The second verse goes, 'No one I think is in my tree.' Well, I was too shy and self-doubting. Nobody seems to be as hip as me is what I was saying. Therefore I must be crazy or a genius-'I mean it must be high or low,' the next line. There was something wrong with me, I thought, because I seemed to see things other people didn't see. I thought I was crazy or an egomaniac for claiming to see things other people didn't. I always was so psychic or intuitive or poetic or whatever you want to call it, that I was always seeing things in a hallucinatory way. Surrealism had a great effect on me, because then I realized the imagery in my mind wasn't insanity, that if it was insane, I belong to an exclusive club that sees the world in those terms. " John Lennon-Playboy 1980 Interview The implication to the setting given the other clues seems to lend creedence to the more "surreal" possibilities. In other words, we can't discount what isn't "hip" or "accepted" in normal society. That seems to be the whole point of what's being done. Think about science over the last 2000 years. Every great revelation in science was accompanied by nay-saying, abuse, ect for those who made discoveries. The guy that opined about the necessity to clean one's hands after examining patients proved the wiser - they also institutionalized him as insane because the idea was both unpopular and unprofitable. Thus to him, the rest of the world was insane. We've been seeing the island and people from perspectives. And these guys are making all of us open our eyes and pay close attention to every bloody thing. In that context, I rather tend to approach this from a Columbo perspective. It's always the wierdest little petty detail that a suspect hangs themself with. Any detail no matter how minor or absurd is worth consideration. Who cares if anyone else is in your tree. If it's right, Being alone puts you in good company.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Dec 28, 2004 15:22:54 GMT -5
One good turn deserves another. I put it together with this from John Lennon: " 'Living is easy with eyes closed. Misunderstanding all you see.' It still goes, doesn't it? Aren't I saying exactly the same thing now? The awareness apparently trying to be expressed is-let's say in one way I was always hip, I was hip in kindergarten. I was different from the others. I was different all my life. " "The second verse goes, 'No one I think is in my tree.' Well, I was too shy and self-doubting. Nobody seems to be as hip as me is what I was saying. Therefore I must be crazy or a genius-'I mean it must be high or low,' the next line. There was something wrong with me, I thought, because I seemed to see things other people didn't see. I thought I was crazy or an egomaniac for claiming to see things other people didn't. I always was so psychic or intuitive or poetic or whatever you want to call it, that I was always seeing things in a hallucinatory way. Surrealism had a great effect on me, because then I realized the imagery in my mind wasn't insanity, that if it was insane, I belong to an exclusive club that sees the world in those terms. " John Lennon-Playboy 1980 Interview The implication to the setting given the other clues seems to lend creedence to the more "surreal" possibilities. In other words, we can't discount what isn't "hip" or "accepted" in normal society. That seems to be the whole point of what's being done. Think about science over the last 2000 years. Every great revelation in science was accompanied by nay-saying, abuse, ect for those who made discoveries. The guy that opined about the necessity to clean one's hands after examining patients proved the wiser - they also institutionalized him as insane because the idea was both unpopular and unprofitable. Thus to him, the rest of the world was insane. We've been seeing the island and people from perspectives. And these guys are making all of us open our eyes and pay close attention to every bloody thing. In that context, I rather tend to approach this from a Columbo perspective. It's always the wierdest little petty detail that a suspect hangs themself with. Any detail no matter how minor or absurd is worth consideration. Who cares if anyone else is in your tree. If it's right, Being alone puts you in good company. And, the creators of the show told us that no prop (and a tattoo is also a prop) is a throwaway in the show - nothing is there for no reason. Of course the reason could be simply to give us something to go insane about. ;D
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Post by havoc on Dec 28, 2004 16:20:28 GMT -5
And, the creators of the show told us that no prop (and a tattoo is also a prop) is a throwaway in the show - nothing is there for no reason. Of course the reason could be simply to give us something to go insane about. ;D I'm re-watching the entire series - picking it apart a bit at a time. Taking lots of notes just because of that. I'm sure probably everyone has. But it's like Kitt Williams' rabbit, it took the insight of 8 people to localize it's whereabouts within a square mile back in middle school. Unfortunately, after we sent in our solution, some guy was walking his dog who unburried the bloody thing completely by accident. He beat us to it and wasn't even looking for the bloody thing - had no idea it existed. The accomplishment was still pleasing in and of itself - gold rabbit or no. The more individual input you can get, the better you are. We're all kindof detectives on the scene of a crime trying to make sense of the clues - such as they are.
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Post by Karen on Dec 28, 2004 21:06:23 GMT -5
I'm re-watching the entire series - picking it apart a bit at a time. Taking lots of notes just because of that. I'm sure probably everyone has. But it's like Kitt Williams' rabbit, it took the insight of 8 people to localize it's whereabouts within a square mile back in middle school. Unfortunately, after we sent in our solution, some guy was walking his dog who unburried the bloody thing completely by accident. He beat us to it and wasn't even looking for the bloody thing - had no idea it existed. The accomplishment was still pleasing in and of itself - gold rabbit or no. The more individual input you can get, the better you are. We're all kindof detectives on the scene of a crime trying to make sense of the clues - such as they are. Very cool stuff. I'd also say that because we all tend to look at the same thing differently, that the more varied our ideas, the better. *wondering now what exactly they were trying to tell us with Locke's orange slice smile - someone said Cheshire Cat?*
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Post by havoc on Jan 4, 2005 0:54:13 GMT -5
Very cool stuff. I'd also say that because we all tend to look at the same thing differently, that the more varied our ideas, the better. *wondering now what exactly they were trying to tell us with Locke's orange slice smile - someone said Cheshire Cat?* I was listening to the History channel while working on the computer and happened to look up while a man was talking about being abducted by ufos. Show is called "UFOs: Then and Now". Anyway, when I looked up, the guy speaking looked like Locke. It was black and white from a 50s interview presumeably. Don't know if iit's coincidence or not; but, this guy is supposed to be among the first that reported an encounter of the 1st kind.. More fuel for the fire.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jan 5, 2005 18:45:23 GMT -5
I was listening to the History channel while working on the computer and happened to look up while a man was talking about being abducted by ufos. Show is called "UFOs: Then and Now". Anyway, when I looked up, the guy speaking looked like Locke. It was black and white from a 50s interview presumeably. Don't know if iit's coincidence or not; but, this guy is supposed to be among the first that reported an encounter of the 1st kind.. More fuel for the fire. LOL! how fun is that!
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Post by Just Willow on Mar 22, 2005 1:23:37 GMT -5
Spring! Really enjoyed your review - and shoot me for being shallow but your captions to the pics were my favorite part!
Saddle up Cowboy indeed!! just how many of the hot guys are you going to claim anyway! Oh.. all of them. Like me then. okedoke.
and for the serious? I really loved this...
"Lost is all about that: The Island’s magic is a metaphor for the way we all, ultimately, shape our own lives. People give us help and guidance and road maps. They also hurt our progress, and get in our way. But no matter what manner of harm has been inflicted upon us, the damage does not have to be irreversible. Christian claims the car accident damage was irreversible – though it wasn’t, not really. He chose to do a procedure that sealed everyone’s fate. As long as the patient still lives, there is hope for recovery."
I think this is a major reason I love this show. It's all about hope, and recovery, and second chances. It's basically an optimistic outlook and you just don't find that very often these days on televison.
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 22, 2005 8:16:02 GMT -5
Spring! Really enjoyed your review - and shoot me for being shallow but your captions to the pics were my favorite part! The captions are my favorite part, too! I've said this before, but I'll say it again: You tramp! Yes, I do think it has an overall hopeful message, and I like that too. Thanks for the nice words about my review, Patti.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 23, 2005 17:34:12 GMT -5
Great review, Spring! Loved your opening image – Jack following footsteps in the jungle, following his father’s footsteps. He’s trying to catch up to Claire and Charlie like he kept scrambling to catch up to his father. And in both cases it was never gonna work. As you point out, what he needed to do is leave that well-worn circular path. (Clever, clever pairing of Ethan and Daddy Shepard each “killing one of them”.)
I had noticed how many other father or parent mentions or connections we had seen, but hadn’t noticed the many instances of comparison (I’m better than you, you’re better than me, etc.) and issues of respect and leadership. An excellent point to bring up, because at this stage in the island dynamics the group is very much into sorting itself into roles – who can do what, who wants to do what, what is needed for survival, should we follow this person’s idea of what to do next or that person’s, what should we be doing?, etc.
I tend to agree with your thoughts on the concept underlying the various mysteries of the Island.
For good or bad, it seems that what you get back on the island is a large reflection of what you sent out in the first place.
Excellent list of questions! I’m still really on the fence as to whether the names of characters are hints to us or not. Sometimes they seem too obvious not to be, but, am I reading too much into it? Also, oddly enough, the possibility that Jack was not really attacked by Ethan never crossed my mind. And yet, we’d already seen several instances of Jack perhaps chasing something real and perhaps imagining it, so . . . .
Your final countdown of “cowboy and daddy issues” with the pictures was great!! “I would say Claire is a cowgirl, because I suspect she will be giving birth to twin calves.” “I want him to be the Daddy of my children. Saddle up, cowboy!” **snortle!!!!**
Lola
And the trekkie comment? Nice one. I was giggling away and then went, wait a minute. I’m writing them too!!
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 23, 2005 19:29:19 GMT -5
Great review, Spring! Loved your opening image – Jack following footsteps in the jungle, following his father’s footsteps. He’s trying to catch up to Claire and Charlie like he kept scrambling to catch up to his father. And in both cases it was never gonna work. As you point out, what he needed to do is leave that well-worn circular path. (Clever, clever pairing of Ethan and Daddy Shepard each “killing one of them”.) Thanks, Lola. Glad you got some giggles. I had fun writing the captions.
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