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Post by Pixi on Apr 7, 2005 7:27:32 GMT -5
**nods nods nods** This is exactly the path my thoughts were following in those final shots. Including the shameful moment of zombie consideration. The quiet little scene where Jack walks down the beach to tell Shannon was nicely done and sad. That scene was excellent. Everyone's face, the happy couple walking back, Shannon dropping Sayid's hand, very nice piece of editing.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 7, 2005 7:29:41 GMT -5
Yeah, my thoughts, too - weeks and weeks with no medical emergencies, and she chooses NOW to go into labor? Silly girl. And also - Jack had a serious asshole moment with the condescension over the "herbal remedies" thing. Yeah. I understand that Jack was a bit stressed right then, but that was a pretty snarky thing to say to his best helper/partner on the island. And frankly, I wouldn't have been surprised if she had found an "herbal" painkiller. Many drugs originally come from a plant-based source, painkillers are no exception. I mean, hey, opiates anyone? Lola
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Post by Lola m on Apr 7, 2005 7:33:01 GMT -5
I was really impressed with Sawyer immediately handing over his alcohol supply, myself - no argument, no demands for explanation. Has he changed? I can't decide if he is really changing (perhaps a bit due to some of the help he'd gotten recently from the gang when he was having headaches) or if he was just reacting naturally to the true urgency of the situation (and the fact that it was Kate asking). Of course, the Shannon asthma thing was also truly urgent, but then again, he didn't have the means to actually help then. I think I lean toward him actually changing a bit, but also just helping the way he always would to a real emergency when he was able. **Brainshare with Rob** ;D
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Post by Lola m on Apr 7, 2005 7:36:40 GMT -5
And...anyone else notice that Locke's legs might have been traded for Boone's? Still wishing for - other - from Jack. Instead of really dealing, he's off to commit vengeance without knowing the entire story? Maybe. Or maybe he just wants to talk about it? Finally - so, Boone was unredeemable? Or else his death will aid in the redemption of someone else? Oh, and really finally - y'all can have Sawyer, and Sayid, and even Jack, if you want him. I gotta get me some of that Jin action. Eeeeep! On the leg exchange. That's very . . . well, that's just creepy. Yeah, Jin was very very good in this ep.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 7, 2005 7:40:58 GMT -5
Wasn't it 42 that was one of the numbers? I have a feeling the writers are just trying to drive us crazy with all these different numbers now... Tell me about it! Making the 5 on Jack's arm sooooo visible in this episode!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 7, 2005 7:41:43 GMT -5
Is there anyone here who, even remotely, thinks Boone might at some point in the future cease to be dead? At this point, anything's possible! If Locke starts seeing images of Boone, well . . .
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Post by Pixi on Apr 7, 2005 7:43:35 GMT -5
Oh, no no no - he's gonna die anyway, don't cut his leg off! I hate having them torture someone I'm just sure they're gonna kill in 20 minutes. First the leg setting, then the apparently amputation.... Don't know if I can watch. I mean, he HAS to die...Shannon off somewhere else, starting her new life, baby being born, Jack's whole speech about how "you're not gonna die" - he's been right at least twice, it's time for him to learn by being wrong.... Oh, jeez. ETA: hiding now. Can't look. Sun's right...he's dying anyway. Won't help. It's wrong. First, do no harm, you son of a bitch.... Oh, good. Relieved. On one level. Although I worry, still, about Jack - 'cause he'd have unnecessarily amputated a leg, knowing it wouldn't help, if left to his own devices. Can't let go, indeed. And...oh, I feel worst for Shannon. She'll get back from her romantic interlude to find that something horrible happened, and she didn't even get to say goodbye. And...what were the boys hugging about? And shaking hands? What, exactly, did they do? Other than run an errand? (And, um, Claire? The baby will deliver itself, most of the time. Quit being so wussy.) And newborns are always so very LARGE on television, aren't they? So very large and unnewborn looking. Of course I know that they can't exactly pop a newborn onto the screen but that baby needed more blood and other things over it . And hee Rachel - as someone who has popped out a few of these, no matter what you do the baby will come. Everyone who has been in the position of pushing knows you can't stop pushing and even if she had to go through labor all by herself the baby would have eventually popped out. Unless she had some sort of complication I guess. But generally - they do come.
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Post by Pixi on Apr 7, 2005 7:45:58 GMT -5
With regard to numbers: The bride was wearing a t-shirt with "44" on the back. Is that one of the "significant" numbers (sorry I haven't paid close enough attention.) I saw that and I think they clearly meant us to see that as the camera followed her back as she left. Since I have no understanding about numbers at all - I leave this area to the more analytical among you.
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Post by Sara on Apr 7, 2005 8:18:42 GMT -5
Yeah. I understand that Jack was a bit stressed right then, but that was a pretty snarky thing to say to his best helper/partner on the island. And frankly, I wouldn't have been surprised if she had found an "herbal" painkiller. Many drugs originally come from a plant-based source, painkillers are no exception. I mean, hey, opiates anyone? Lola Jeez--can't Jack ever get a break here, people? After all, the man was looking at someone with multiple injuries who'd lost a ton of blood; no sure way to determine if there was internal bleeding until such an injury produced a problem he could see (like the leg filling up with blood)--at which point it'd probably be too late to do anything about the problem; he'd just had to fix a collapsed lung with a frikkin' knitting needle; and was about to yank someone's broken bones into alignment without being able to give him anything for the excruciating pain Jack was about to cause. Call me crazy, but in his shoes I'd be a tad cranky myself. Plus, the look Jack gave Sun after she explained what the stick was for seemed (to me) to convey his acknowledgement that he'd been in the wrong, his gratitude that she'd thought of it, and an apology for being a jerk. And I think she knew he'd simply had a moment of taking his frustration out on her, which is why she didn't snap back in kind. Sorry--I just felt bad for Jack last night; he was a decent (though far from perfect) guy doing the best he could in a nearly impossible situation to try and save someone's life. Personally, I think his refusal to give up on Boone even when it was clear Jack was only delaying the inevitable, paralleling both the situation with the marshall and the flashback we saw involving his drunk father and the woman on the operating table, is both a flaw and the thing that makes him a good doctor--not to mention the only reason Charlie is still breathing. At any rate, I know I'd want him fighting for me.
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Post by Pixi on Apr 7, 2005 8:27:19 GMT -5
Jeez--can't Jack ever get a break here, people? After all, the man was looking at someone with multiple injuries who'd lost a ton of blood; no sure way to determine if there was internal bleeding until such an injury produced a problem he could see (like the leg filling up with blood)--at which point it'd probably be too late to do anything about the problem; he'd just had to fix a collapsed lung with a frikkin' knitting needle; and was about to yank someone's broken bones into alignment without being able to give him anything for the excruciating pain Jack was about to cause. Call me crazy, but in his shoes I'd be a tad cranky myself. Plus, the look Jack gave Sun after she explained what the stick was for seemed (to me) to convey his acknowledgement that he'd been in the wrong, his gratitude that she'd thought of it, and an apology for being a jerk. And I think she knew he'd simply had a moment of taking his frustration out on her, which is why she didn't snap back in kind. Sorry--I just felt bad for Jack last night; he was a decent (though far from perfect) guy doing the best he could in a nearly impossible situation to try and save someone's life. Personally, I think his refusal to give up on Boone even when it was clear Jack was only delaying the inevitable, paralleling both the situation with the marshall and the flashback we saw involving his drunk father and the woman on the operating table, is both a flaw and the thing that makes him a good doctor--not to mention the only reason Charlie is still breathing. At any rate, I know I'd want him fighting for me. Lots of very astute observations there. I, myself, don't have any particularly strong or negative opinions about Jack myself. I'm not in the camp of always being irked by him and I'm not in the camp of being smitten by him. I thought they did the scene very realistically though - sweat dripping, blood everywhere, non-sterile, the franticness, the hopelessness - all very realistic and well-acted. (Loved Sun - great job). I have to say I think the baby scene could have been more realistic. I hate it when they drape a towel over legs - that aren't wide enough people and pop - heres a baby - a little covered with vaseline but ready to snuggle. Having a baby is a bloody mess and I think it could have been a little more messy and realistic but . . . . . . I would have smacked Jack if he broke up with Sara at the altar but I didn't have any problems with his behavior with Boone.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Apr 7, 2005 8:55:30 GMT -5
Little, little thoughts -
Things I liked - Jin and Sun are talking again, and Jin has picked up some English. Also, Jin was the first to hear Claire's call for help and respond.
Jin and Charlie doing the waiting room thing (although they should have been helping - Claire could've used a backrub, and someone to lean on while she was pushing, at the least).
Sayid and Shannon, and their little romantic picnic. "No expectations, just hopes" was so cute.
Otherwise - did we really need more Jack flashbacks? Okay, he belongs on Galaxy Quest ("Never surrender, never give up") or maybe the Pequod. So now he's going to go all vengeance demon on Locke? I'm reserving judgement. Time will tell, and all that.
Maybe more thoughts later, Kitty wants a turn.
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Post by Matthew on Apr 7, 2005 10:09:17 GMT -5
Is there anyone here who, even remotely, thinks Boone might at some point in the future cease to be dead? *raises hand* *grabs Yola's hand, raises it too, briefly*
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Post by Rachael on Apr 7, 2005 10:31:41 GMT -5
Jeez--can't Jack ever get a break here, people? After all, the man was looking at someone with multiple injuries who'd lost a ton of blood; no sure way to determine if there was internal bleeding until such an injury produced a problem he could see (like the leg filling up with blood)--at which point it'd probably be too late to do anything about the problem; he'd just had to fix a collapsed lung with a frikkin' knitting needle; and was about to yank someone's broken bones into alignment without being able to give him anything for the excruciating pain Jack was about to cause. Call me crazy, but in his shoes I'd be a tad cranky myself. Yeah, you know, my problem with him remains that he seems to ALWAYS be like that. I'd pay good money to see Jack really laugh, for example. He's just so dour and broody, which has always caused me irritation in a man. So I think my first reaction to the things he says is often gonna be irritation. All true. But had he actually amputated that leg in order to save a life that was already lost...oy with the poodles already. I think, by and large, Jack gets less slack cut to him than others, because he's the only one really doing a job that he was trained to do. He's supposed to be a good doctor, even a great doctor, and so he's being judged on that...and also? And I feel the way he carries himself, much of the time, with little to no humor and a semi-constant sense that he knows what's right no matter what anyone else thinks...well, that sort of arrogance really sets itself up for judgement by others. IMO. YMMV. (And it could just be that I'm still, many months later, rolling my eyes over his "five seconds of fear" speech.)
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Apr 7, 2005 10:36:22 GMT -5
Yeah, you know, my problem with him remains that he seems to ALWAYS be like that. I'd pay good money to see Jack really laugh, for example. He's just so dour and broody, which has always caused me irritation in a man. So I think my first reaction to the things he says is often gonna be irritation. All true. But had he actually amputated that leg in order to save a life that was already lost...oy with the poodles already. I think, by and large, Jack gets less slack cut to him than others, because he's the only one really doing a job that he was trained to do. He's supposed to be a good doctor, even a great doctor, and so he's being judged on that...and also? And I feel the way he carries himself, much of the time, with little to no humor and a semi-constant sense that he knows what's right no matter what anyone else thinks...well, that sort of arrogance really sets itself up for judgement by others. IMO. YMMV. (And it could just be that I'm still, many months later, rolling my eyes over his "five seconds of fear" speech.) Yep. Eetah. And furthermore, he's way too much like his father.
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Post by Matthew on Apr 7, 2005 10:43:01 GMT -5
Yep. Eetah. And furthermore, he's way too much like his father. Ah, but he is also a reaction to his father in the way he tries to take the best of what Doc Shepard Sr. taught him, and discard the dishumanity and the worst of the arrogance.. I like Jack.
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