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Post by Lola m on May 14, 2005 14:06:06 GMT -5
Hi everyone, Your posts made me smile. It's kinda nice to get back to a routine. My memory is particularly swiss-cheesey this week. I've probably failed to notice a lot of stuff. Randomer than usual thoughts: Hee! The new black. Thanks Lola! ;D Oooooh, good one! And that is one main reason that Jack doesn't completely like being the leader, isn't it? 'Cuz that makes him Daddy, and he has Daddy-issues. This is what I'm asking too! #wavey# Linda! Hawaii very pretty. ;D |
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Post by Lola m on May 14, 2005 14:09:40 GMT -5
Great review, Erin! (And a lovely memory of Patti, too.)
Love how you point out the way the editing points us to the comparisons. Sayid to Locke-hunting Jack; collapsing Jack to tired Claire listening to Charlie and Sun; Sun and Kate talking to tired Jack. ‘Round and round and round. As always, the flashback gives us insight into what’s happening on the island now.
I hadn’t really thought of all the ways that Sayid and Locke were mirroring each other ‘til you pointed them out. Particularly the similar telling of the truth when it is too late to help. Your thoughts about Boone’s funeral – Sayid and Locke being the only ones to speak, each calling Boone a hero, the parallel to the way Sayid had convinced Assam not to back out – makes me really look at that scene in a whole new light. It was the perfect way to lead us to the final scene of the show, wasn’t it? Sayid and Locke facing each other – Sayid confronting Locke and demanding the truth – demanding to be shown the secret hatch.
But it was the stuff about Walt and Locke and Hurley and the backgammon that really made me sit up and take notice!
Woah! That is really interesting, especially considering developments in the most recent ep. Locke and Walt on opposite sides, and passionately so, of the “open the hatch” question.
Great job!
Lola
**snickers over “is Sayid now a Lockehead?” and the “Lovey Howell Clothing Award”**
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Post by SpringSummers on May 14, 2005 19:51:56 GMT -5
Erin: Wonderful opening dedication to Patti. Thank you.
Very nice connection between the ep’s central question: What is truly for the greater good? And the war in Iraq and the use of Iraqi Sayid’s story to explore the question.
Locke and Sayid do run parallel courses through the ep – both have used “the greater good” as a ploy to get someone to do something which was really about his own, personal good. Interesting catch on how they are the two to speak at Boone’s funeral, calling him a hero. Perhaps a bit of rationalizing and guilt speaking?
Glad you pointed out Locke’s position south of sanity, as demonstrated by his head-konking of Sayid.
I agree with the nomination of Shannon for the Lovey Howell Fashion Award. Except if Shannon is Lovey, is Sayid Thurston?
What is WMD?
Now I will try to answer your questions:
One answered: Locke killed Lily Kane! Oh, wait, wrong show.
True, wrong show. But I think that Pixi’s “Who Killed Lilly” theory #546 did finger Locke.
What the hell is in that hatch? Party favors? A stripper?
I think it looks kinda like it might be a bunker. Is this what everyone means when they say "I'll be in my bunk?" Which by they way, what are people quoting when they say that? I've always meant to ask that, but I keep forgetting to ask. Until now. Is it from an AtS ep? A Firefly ep?
Is Sayid now a Lockehead?
No, no, no.
What’s the connection between Turnip Head and Walt?
I believe Turnip Head is subletting from Walt.
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Post by Queen E on May 16, 2005 15:19:56 GMT -5
Great review, Erin! (And a lovely memory of Patti, too.) Love how you point out the way the editing points us to the comparisons. Sayid to Locke-hunting Jack; collapsing Jack to tired Claire listening to Charlie and Sun; Sun and Kate talking to tired Jack. ‘Round and round and round. As always, the flashback gives us insight into what’s happening on the island now. I hadn’t really thought of all the ways that Sayid and Locke were mirroring each other ‘til you pointed them out. Particularly the similar telling of the truth when it is too late to help. Your thoughts about Boone’s funeral – Sayid and Locke being the only ones to speak, each calling Boone a hero, the parallel to the way Sayid had convinced Assam not to back out – makes me really look at that scene in a whole new light. It was the perfect way to lead us to the final scene of the show, wasn’t it? Sayid and Locke facing each other – Sayid confronting Locke and demanding the truth – demanding to be shown the secret hatch. Thank you. I hope to do a longer one whenever I get my next Angelphile written; Patti was an excellent beta for me, as well as an encouraging friend. As for the episode, I got to say, not a favorite. There was some things I really enjoyed, and I thought the scenes with Assam and Sayid were well done, but with the points of comparison, I thought they were a little too broadly done. Anvilicious, if you will. So definitely a hard review to write. However, I did like how grey "the greater good" really was. Reminds me a bit of Angel and Spike's decision at The Deeper Well... Thank you! I've been sufficiently trained in the Jossverse to look on such things as "hmm" moments, to paraphrase Riley. Given the events of the very next episode, as you mention, when Walt begs Locke not to open the hatch, as well as confesses to his dad about burning the raft, I think Walt is playing light to Locke's increasing greyness. Note that with telling that secret to his dad, Locke is robbed of some power over Walt... Thank you again for your insights! |
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Post by Queen E on May 16, 2005 15:27:52 GMT -5
Erin: Wonderful opening dedication to Patti. Thank you. Very nice connection between the ep’s central question: What is truly for the greater good? And the war in Iraq and the use of Iraqi Sayid’s story to explore the question. Locke and Sayid do run parallel courses through the ep – both have used “the greater good” as a ploy to get someone to do something which was really about his own, personal good. Interesting catch on how they are the two to speak at Boone’s funeral, calling him a hero. Perhaps a bit of rationalizing and guilt speaking? Oh yeah. That's how I read it...piling words on top of words in order to make things better, or at least to make others do what you want them to do. Not only that, but it's about image, too, among those on the island. Especially with Locke...he doesn't lie at the funeral, but there is spin going on there, make no mistake. Yeah...kind of hard to engage in rational discourse when unconscious. I'm just sayin'. Yup; we're going to have to get him a nice straw hat. WMD = Weapon of Mass Destruction.
That would be a quote from "Firefly." Jayne says it when he sees Inara, a companion (read, legal prostitution) meet one of her clients, who happens to be a woman. #rofl1# |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 2, 2006 19:42:52 GMT -5
Sad Sayid. So Pretty.
Arrested in London?
Left Iraq for 7 years
Either he's running away from something, or he's looking for something
Gee, it's a wonder that Sayid is as open to the Westerners as he is
OK, so Kate is trying to get the rest of the story.
Ah, Jack based his medical treatment on a fall victim rather than a crush victim. Yeah, he's got reason to be upset at Locke.
So this funeral is the one that gets a lot of attention. Of course, he was a character we knew and that the characters that we know knew.
No, not a tarp! Those don't grow on trees you know.
I like how Jack's eyes are bloodshot, as they would be.
Uh-oh.
Now he comes clean?
Yep. Showdown!!!
Yep, never try to tackle somebody after pulling an all nighter and donating blood
OK, here he is praying. So he's a practicing Muslim.
This guy looks familiar.
Ah, this is Syndey. Why Sayid was on the plane.
Playing video game. Hee.
Practicing Muslim, but drinking alcohol.
A bug
Perhaps it is fate. Like all the Losties meeting each other?
Need to sleep. Again.
Turniphead. HEE.
Why are you giving the baby to Charlie and not to Sun, who has proven more stable and more knowledgeable?
Storm coming.
Come on, Shannon! You can take him!
Also, I don't get Locke's legs mysteriously failing and then working again.
So she recruits Sayid. This should be fun!!
Don't cross the women, Jack!
Or maybe Kate just has this fantasy of acting nurse maid.
She drugged him, Hee! Or maybe she gave him a placebo.
Except what if right then some one had a life or death emergency?
Shirtless Locke. Taking on for the team.
War wound or surgical scar?
Verbal sparring between Sayid and Locke.
Two men and a baby
BWAH HAH HAH!!!!!!!!!
Why don't you trust me, Sayid? Do you have to ask?
Adaptability.
Ah hah, so it was Locke!!!!
Locke's got a messiah complex.
For the greater good. That's the question, isnt it?
Not a terrorist, but using terrorists' logic.
What if a shark attacks?
What if we die? Boone died.
Hee! Can't believe that worked.
Shannon's after the guns. Yep.
Giving the gun to the other guy. So he suspects something.
You used me to find a woman? Hee.
Yep.
Yep. Oh, my god. Trauma and more trauma.
So it just grazed him, OK.
BWAH HAH HAH!!!!
So Sawyer is good for something. Other than witty one liners and new nicknames.
Time won't make a difference. Hmm...
This explains Sayid's insistence on the crash victims being buried at the beginning of the season.
I did it because I sensed you might be our best hope for surviving here. In other words, for the greater good.
Interesting flashback story. I like that they addressed the terrorist angle, since an Iraqi character in this day and age, the audience is likely to have already made those connections. Daring storyline (especially for network tv) and well done.
It's all about love and death.
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