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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:21:09 GMT -5
Number recitation… “Yeah, I just gotta pee” I wonder if he still needs to. I wouldn’t. Jack actually starting to be a leader. What was Kate looking at when she said “Jack?” in the “There’s a monster over your shoulder” tone of voice? Oooh, I thought of that too! It was like in Rear Window when Grace Kelly looks over Jimmy Stewart's shoulder and sees . . . something . . . and says "tell me everything you've seen" like she suddenly believes him. And we never know what it was she saw! We only see her reaction - much spookier. I think it was because the other guy had less of a chance of surviving. 'Course, I'd belive that more if Jack had actualy made a true triage assessment of each of them. **snerk** Very significant thing that Jack says this and Locke is kinda . . . oh, yeah, that too. I LOVE that idea! Very perceptively put, Matthew. #chuckle#
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:24:49 GMT -5
“Kind of unlike you, the whole “glass half full, thing” “There’s a glass?” Kate wants you, Jack. But she’s leaving to go die with Locke. “Live together, die alone” Where is that from? Huh, she had another fiancée. At the time.. He’s gonna run away. Oh, for christ’s sake…. She’s better off without him. This is a case where his blunt bedside manner is useful. Little secret? She’s going to bite his face.. OMG, I thought that too! For just a second, when she's all "no, closer" I thought she's gonna bite him or spit or something! ;D ;D Huh. I hadn't thought of it that way. Makes the Jack backstory a little more relevant . . . Huh. I'm gonna have to think about this. I thought they did a nice job with making it a very scary moment.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:26:14 GMT -5
And we are back in the stinking flashback, dammit. “Wow, you really smell” It was that same day… “Tour de stade” I agree with her: why would you do that? Kevin won’t be here ever again, no doubt. He’s odd, in that he’s so definite about it. “How come I can wiggle my toes?” Hee! Saw that coming. Desmond was a miracle man. Oh, great, he’s crying with joy.. that’s.. beautiful. Who is holding the gun? DESMOND!!!!!!!! HOLY BATSHIT!!! “Brother”!!!!!!! Yes!! This was my reaction too! I really was surprised to see Desmond there like that. I suppose looking back, it was telegraphed - but they really surprised me.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:26:53 GMT -5
Of course, if anyone was gonna do the run and stumble, it'd be Shannon. And also, Walt? Shades of "The Shining". The great book, not either lousy movie. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:28:17 GMT -5
So, the title: I'm thinking both phrases apply to Jack? (Not one to Jack, the other to Locke.) I think that they both apply to Jack, actually. **nods** I think they both are meant to apply to Jack. And secondarily both apply to Locke. And thirdilarly (OK, thirdly, if you want to be dull) they apply to most everyone on the island.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:31:24 GMT -5
How was he unprofessional with Sara? (sp is same as the Planetary Voice of Reason's) I thought he was rather crappy with her, at first, in the lousy bedside manner, but not so much with the unprofessional. First he tells this patient that there's no chance at all she'll ever regain more than limited mobility; which I don't think is something a doctor would do when the patient has just been through an accident, they'd tell them what the problem is and say they need to do surgery, and they'll know more after the surgery - I can't see any doc being so definite at that point. Then, when the patient wakes up after surgery, her surgeon has been waiting around for her to be coherent enough to communicate properly? Waking up from anesthesia occurs over a long while; when one first awakens, one is groggy and disoriented. It looked like Jack had been hanging around waiting for Sarah to awaiken, which no surgeon would do.
But worst of all was Jack telling this poor woman who was supposedly paralyzed that he'd been running and had hurt his ankle, and then saying how sorry he was that he hadn't helped her - with tears in his eyes. That's bound to make a frightened patient feel worse. If I were facing paralysis, I would be horrified if my doctor were babbling about running and hurting his ankle, and was practically crying at me - I'd want sympathy, but not tears from him...And I don't think tears, red eyes, obvious signs of deep distress are considered part of the professional behavior expected from a doctor talking to his patient about her condition.
8-)GAIL It wasn't the most shining moment of his career. I think there is good reason to make more generalized and caring but not too emotionally attached statements to patients. Especially that early in their care. Allow for hope as well as unexpected outcomes while not painting too pollyanna a view. IMHO.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:32:42 GMT -5
“Joke, dude” “Really? Like usually you’re Mr. Haha. “ “and occasionally somebody blows up all over you, but you get to sleep in in the morning..” Well, Hurley’s telling the numbers story. Hurley’s lost weight. “Well, actually, meteorite” Locke would be pleased.. “You were in a psych ward?” “Yours sucks, dude” He’s not wrong.. This exchange made me hate Jack a little. Anyone notice how both men - science and faith - chose to ignore and/or discount Hurley? Idiots. Well, that's 'cuz Hurley is gonna turn out to be one of the key figures in understanding this all out, so of course no one is gonna listen to him.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:33:44 GMT -5
Of course, if anyone was gonna do the run and stumble, it'd be Shannon. And also, Walt? Shades of "The Shining". The great book, not either lousy movie. Interesting how Vincent led Shannon to the spot. That dog has an agenda... Incidentally, I played Walt's whisper back five times, and it's completely unintelligible. Dammit. #rofl1# Yes! More brainshare! The dog is the brains behind all of it, I tell you! ;D
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:34:44 GMT -5
I have a very so-so reaction to this premiere. It was OK. Not exactly filled with a "can't wait for next week!" feeling. Crazy French Lady, now Crazy . . . what?. . . English? Australian? I didn't pay a lot of attention to the accent . . guy. There are so many characters to keep track of, already. I know we lost Boone, but we gotta gain this guy? And he seems unrelated to the "others" who kidnapped Walt, but who knows. And I am perilously close to adding "who cares?" Wow, someone was cranky this evening. Seriously, I understand your frustration. "Lost" just continues to answer questions with more questions. Such methods can get old after a while, no matter how brilliantly they're done. Still, I have to admit: I'm sucked in again. Can't wait to see more next week, if only to find out what happened to the rafting crew. **nods** Yup, me too. Gotta know what's happening with the raft folks! Also, what about the Others as they decend on the cave folks?
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:35:44 GMT -5
Knowing what happened to Locke's last sidekick, I'm surprised that Kate agreed to go down that hatch in his place.
Walt looked older and taller to me. Not surprising, since the young actor was 13 last spring; it's the age when boys start growth spurts and all. Weird appearance...Of course, we have no idea if that's really Walt....
GAIL Very good point Gail. I thought that too. And since Hudson is 13 and is now as tall as I am, it is definitely growth spurt time. Walt (whatever his real name is) is probably very happy about it no matter what the producers think as I know Hudson is thrilled he is finally getting taller. All of which begs the question of are they going to use this somehow in the story? I mean, it would be a nice bit of freakiness if Walt were to "age" too quickly.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:36:51 GMT -5
Wow, someone was cranky this evening. Seriously, I understand your frustration. "Lost" just continues to answer questions with more questions. Such methods can get old after a while, no matter how brilliantly they're done. Still, I have to admit: I'm sucked in again. Can't wait to see more next week, if only to find out what happened to the rafting crew.Yeah! No shirtless Sawyer this week!! *pouts* Karen, 16. Yeah! What about the important stuff! ;D Also - more brainshare!
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:39:25 GMT -5
Unprofessional, in that he got emotionally involved with her. It was unclear to me if he was acquainted with her previously - I didn't think he was, and it was strange to me that he was so emotional with her. Or, maybe it was the guilt from chosing to work on her when the guy in the SUV was closer to dying?That's what I thought. And after telling her he would "fix her" --which was spelled out as being against his pattern--knowing he had failed. Plus it didn't hurt that she was a hottie with a loving and forgiving personality. And funny. And the she IS fixed. And he's very young. Definitely overinvolved, but the reasons all seem to be there. I think what they chose to show in the recap was important, one of those things being his dad putting him down for trying to do something good and failing. Jack having an alcoholic dad also speaks to his lack of hope and the bedside manner that doesn't include hope, and his need to control outcomes. I guess I'm one of the only ones who didn't feel disappointed in the show. I was right there with them all the way. I want to know what happened to the Three Men in a Boat (ok, on a raft), and why the island was quarantined from those in the hatch, and about the shrine and the magnet and the computer and about the Others and why they knew about and wanted Walt. I'm psyched. I like your thoughts about Jack and his dad and his need to control outcomes. Makes me think more about the flashback and what it means to the story.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:40:28 GMT -5
Honestly, as a paralegal who handles medical malpractice cases on a daily basis, all I could think of during the ER scene was how soon will the relatives of that other patient be calling attorneys? Jack's behavior was terrible. And honestly - completely unrealistic. Doctor's are so aware of malpractice these days that they are very careful what they say to patients. If they don't want to be sued that is. Doctors may be particularly careful these days, but what we saw most likely took place some years ago; Jack's hair says "early 90s" to me, and I imagine it would have taken a solid 6-12 months of physical therapy for Sara to be fully mobile again--enough to dance at her wedding, anyway. Jack's early bedside manner was pretty crappy--which I imagine was kind of the point of showing it. It seemed to me that what we saw happened very early in Jack's medical career--his "what did I do wrong now" conversation with his father suggested he was still learning the ropes. And as for his later conversation with Sara and how emotional he got... I honestly attributed it to exhaustion (I have to think the operation was a long one, given the complexity of what he was trying to do, and instead of sleeping while Sara came out of anesthesia he instead went through a pretty grueling workout) and a crushing sense of failure--we know Jack doesn't like letting people down now, and I imagine when he was a young doctor he handled it even worse. Good points, Sara. I hadn't thought of it all like that. Thanks!
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:41:37 GMT -5
Eeetah. Also, joining in on the not liking his reaction to Hurley. But then there's much about Jack that isn't likable, which I see as of the good. Yeah, his reaction to Hurley disappointed me. Then again, it also didn't surprise me. Yup. Disappointing, but not surprising.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:43:36 GMT -5
Spasibo! Interesting they were going back to last season so much: trusting us to be able to follow, as with Kate's decision to have a five-second panic attack during the descent. I liked it, myself--if nothing else, I see it as a way of reminding the audience that only 40 days (or so) have elapsed for the castaways and thus events that we saw months ago are still very fresh in the characters' minds. I'm going to make a little note to myself to remember the timeline for the castaways. Because I think it is important to not get sucked into thinking things like "why aren't they doing such and such already" or "why hasn't this happened" and so on. As time goes by out here it's gonna be harder to remember the actual time that has supposedly gone by on the island.
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