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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:44:34 GMT -5
Okay - I just read this on another board. The patient who died in the ER is named Rutherford. As in Shannon Rutherford? It was her father? If so - nice little moment like the seeing Hurley on TV in Jin's flashback. Oooooh, now that's a cool angle. Thanks for passing this along, Pixi!
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:48:34 GMT -5
Yeah, his reaction to Hurley disappointed me. Then again, it also didn't surprise me. Actually to be honest, altho I love Hurley to death, if I was stranded on an island with someone who thought that 'numbers' were either bad luck or somehow cursed, I would have probably (when I was younger) think he was a little goofy to believe that way. And that might color how seriously I would take anything he had to say. Which would be a bad thing on my part, because what he has to say is important, no matter his beliefs. So, I think I'm a basically a 'Jack' in rl, except he's younger, hotter and male. Well, and also, he only gave a very small part of the story. Didn't mention the Australian guys who heard the numbers being broadcast, or that the CFL heard them here on the island, etc. If he'd laid out the full story and all the full details, well . . . Well Jack would probably still have reacted that much differently. But finding the exact numbers on the island, on the hatch! Surely even Jack would start to say that this is one heck of a coincidence or else somehow connected.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:49:17 GMT -5
Another moment I liked was the Shannon/Walt moment. No one anywhere - as far as I can tell popping about a couple of other boards could make out what Walt was whispering. That was creepy. All wet and drowned looking creepy. Not that I think he's dead but for me that was the creepiest and best part of the episode (beside for the random Hurley moments). I thought Shannon did a great job last night. Her hair looked right for once and while still kind of stupid to go trotting out into the jungle alone - it made sense that she would feel a strong motivation to find Vincent. Vincent - I always get the impression that Vincent is like that dog in Dean Koontz's novel Watchers who is all superintelligent and understand everything going on. I have to say - I think not showing what happened to the raft guys was a very deliberate string to pull to keep viewers coming back next week. I don't blame them but kind of classic J.J. to my mind. Have a cliffhanger finale and don't address it a smidge in the premier. The Shannon & Walt moment was stunningly good. Very creepy and effective.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:50:00 GMT -5
Also - to add to the number mix Sara and Mr. Rutherford were brought into the ER at 8:15. Eeeeeeeep!!!
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:52:08 GMT -5
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 22:58:19 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I'm not caught up with the main board, 'cause of RL crunches and insane jealousy about S'cubiefest--thanks Jan!!!! other matters. My memory is particularly swiss-cheesey this week. I've probably failed to notice a lot of stuff. However, random minutiae: In the hatch: That was the cleanest, shiniest sink I've ever seen. #chuckle# Oh, I hope it's not just set dressers gone bad. 'Cuz it would be a cool development. Like, are they all being observed? Is it all a test or something? Eeeeeep, again! OK. That's not sloppy set dressing - that's deliberate! Wonderful! Hurley as the Anti-Locke (brakes)! #claps# Very much agree that fanaticism is where Locke is, or at least where Locke is heading quickly. Sayid was definitely not saying something that he was thinking!! **shivers** Oh, intriguing thought!! ;D Yes, Hawaii very pretty, even at night.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 23:01:34 GMT -5
You mean like he listened when Hurley begged him not to light the fuse? I really do think Jack would have reacted the same way no matter who was telling him why they thought a series of numbers was cursed--that's just who Jack is. If he can't immediately come up with a logical explanation for something, he dismisses it. And while we know some freaky stuff is going on, Jack hasn't really experienced much of it first-hand. Plus, and the producers have said this is their intent, for every weird thing we've seen there has been a potentially logical explanation. Shannon's vision? Sayid had just gotten done pointing out she'd barely slept in days, and at that moment Walt was very much on her mind. Jack was equally exhausted when he saw his father on the island last year. Locke and Kate may have only seen black smoke, but we heard something mechanical at work at the same time. And since we don't know why or how Locke was paralyzed, we can't really rule out the idea that his paralysis was either psychosomatic or if his injury could have somehow been "fixed" when they crashed (ie his vertebrae got knocked back into alignment, a nerve was unblocked, something like that). I'm not saying that any or all of these things definitely aren't supernatural in origin--just that there's very little we've seen, and nothing Jack's seen, that doesn't have more than one explanation. So I don't think he has any more reason to buy into what Hurley's telling him now than he had when they first crashed. As for Hurley... I'm not sure it's a matter of no one respecting him. I suspect they mostly take him for granted, much the same way everyone takes it for granted that Jack will lead them, tell 'em what to do. and generally have all the answers. Jack may not have taken him seriously about the numbers, but he respected him enough to hear the story in the first place, and to continue to confide in him even after Hurley told him a story Jack considered pretty out there. But that's just me. As we always say, assume the IMO. My opinion agrees with your opinion. I am nowhere near as emotionally invested in this show as I am with any of the Jossverse shows, but I do like it. And I'm enjoying the fact that we're getting even more questions that need to be answered. It's keeping me interested--I'm not saying that my opinion on this won't change if this keeps up, but for now I'm excited about it. And it has become very obvious to me that no one will be fighting me for Jack. And I'm okay with that. ;D *nods agreement* Not as invested as the Jossverse - Lost is just a good romp. Fun to watch, fun to snark about, often exciting, sporadically emotionally moving. But it's keeping my interest. And I have backed off of needing immediate answers. I won't fight you for Jack at all. I'll just be over here with Sawyer and Sayid and Michael.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 23:03:44 GMT -5
This came to me while I was in the shower, but don't let that distract you (it isn't worth it) - What if Desmond wasn't in the bunker voluntarily? What if he was put there as an Initiative-type experiment? You trap someone, you convince him that there's a plague, or nuclear winter, or alien attack, and the only way to survive is to hide in this conveniently stocked old bomb shelter, right here, and don't come out until we tell you it's safe... That would explain the "Quarantine" sign on the inside of the hatch - it's not to keep other people away, it's to remind him that he can't go out. It might also explain why some of the equipment in the bunker seems to be too old for the rest of the timeline - the bunker is older, but more things, and Desmond, were added later. Time to wake up Kitty and start laundry. Later! That is an extremely interesting idea - I like it very much! Plausible and scary and, well, very intriguing. And it's rather appropriate that you thought of it in the shower, since it's about Desmond and all. I mean, we know how much his shower means to him.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 23:04:50 GMT -5
Okay. I have no idea why this came to me last night, but I was thinking of Desmond and the whole significance of names thing as I tried to sleep when I remembered something: "monde" means "world" in French, so "de monde" means roughly "of world" (like Tour de France means Tour of France). Since we're talking about a guy who told Jack he intended to run around the world... Anyway. It seemed interesting last night. I wondered about the "run around the world" thing. So, did he run around the world and this is the last possible place on Earth? After you've run around the world, you end up here?
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 23:05:36 GMT -5
Download for the opening song: Make Your Own Kind of MusicLyrics: Make Your Own Kind Of Music Mama Cass Elliot (Mann/Weil) Nobody can tell ya There's only one song worth singing They may try and sell ya Cause it hangs them up To see someone like you You gotta make your own kind of music Sing your own special song Make your own kind music Even if nobody else sings along It can't be nowhere The loneliest kind of lonely It may be Just to do your thing is the hardest things to do You gotta make your own kind of music Sing your own special song Make your own kind music Even if nobody else sings along And if you will not take my hand Then I must be going, I'll understand You gotta make your own kind of music Sing your own special song Make your own kind music Even if nobody else sings along You gotta make your own kind of music Sing your own special song Make your own kind music Even if nobody else sings along You gotta make your own kind of music Sing your own special song Make your own kind music Even if nobody else sings along No no no no Even if nobody else sings along If nobody else sings along -- Andre Tromp Coordinator and Webmaster of the Beautiful Thing Fanclub beautiful-thing.home.ml.orgBeautiful-Thing@CyberComm.nl BTAndre on irc (irc.dal.net:7000) #Beautiful-Thing) And flashback!Jack did sort of learn to sing his own kind of song, didn't he?
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 23:09:20 GMT -5
I just finished watching the downloaded version. Weird episode. Does the incident with Sarah mean that Jack has hidden healing abilities? Especially if you take into consideration that he has been able to "resurrect" Charlie back in season 1. At least that's the only explanation I see. But I doubt that writers will ever give any explanation. BTW, when I saw paintings I thought about Lurky's cave in Africa and how fans later found the scene of Willow killing Warren among other paintings in the cave. Maybe these paintings also have hidden clues? Hmmm. I've got the impression that Locke's illness was rooted in his psyche. But I may be wrong. "Late 20s" - that's how she is characterized in ER room. I think it happened 4 years ago. Or, maximum, 8. Not 15 or 16, because they're too young for that (the same with 23 and 42 option) I've got the impression that writers used the song not for pinpointing the time but for sending the message about "making your own kind of music" to stoopid audience And could Stadium!Desmond be a gallucination similar to Walt's appearance to Shannon? I thought that the whole stadium sequence was very bizarre. Both visuals and dialogues are weird and creepy. I had the "is it really happening?" moment and I was waiting for some droll resolution - so when Desmond told about "another life", I *knew* he's the hatch guy! And I totally agree about Chris Carter syndrome. There is a Russian proverb about biting off bigger chunks of pie than one can chew (don't know how to say it properly in English, sorry). I think it's the case of JJ. He creates mystery after mystery without having the least idea how to resolve them. The first season of Lost collected roughly the same nubmer of unresolvable mysteries as first seven seasons of X-files. But it's fun. Still. I think the stuff in the underground bunker is going to be important - so thanks for posting the pictures. Also, for the info about Lurky's cave in BtVS. I didn't know about the Willow Warren pictures. I'm going to have to slo-mo watch those scenes over again now. I am also intrigued by your thought that Desmond in the stadium was perhaps not really there. We are definitely seeing that something unusual was going on with most of our survivors before they ever got on this plane.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 23:11:26 GMT -5
The way he kept calling Jack - 'brother' was a little weird. And his comment about 'miracles' - and then one happened. I don't know what to make of any of it. Liked the Mamas and the Papas song, except that it seems to screw up the timeline. Just how long ago did Jack and 'Desmond, was it?' meet, and how long has he been on that island? I need to rewatch that scene in the stadium. There was a name for the exercise they were doing - running the stairs. (ETA - 'tour de stade' - thanks, Matthew!) It's like a puzzle before you figure out which pieces fit together. I get frustrated if I don't start to see the picture in the puzzle soon. Maybe they are brothers and Jack has no Idea. In fact, he may be a part of each person's back story as just someone in the background. As for Jack's bedside manner, he had just chosen her over another patient and the man died. (If Matthew didn't tell you, his name is the same last name as Shannon's). So, some guilt would apply, so he goes for the no hope style. His father talks to him and then he deals with the fiance, (real jerk), and feels bad about telling her the things he did, and the way he did. Then she talks to him with so much humor and courage before the operation and out of his mouth come the "promise". I'm sure he probably wanted to take the words back as soon as he said them, but couldn't. I also doubt that she believed him, probably thought he was trying to give her hope. The run was his punishment for himself for making made a promise he knew at the time he couldn't keep. Also it kept him away from the hospital when she first woke up. Excellent points - I hadn't thought of it in that way before! Thanks, Dragon! Not rambly at all. I really like your take on this flashback.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 23:13:55 GMT -5
That's what I thought. And after telling her he would "fix her" --which was spelled out as being against his pattern--knowing he had failed. Plus it didn't hurt that she was a hottie with a loving and forgiving personality. And funny. And the she IS fixed. And he's very young. Definitely overinvolved, but the reasons all seem to be there. I think what they chose to show in the recap was important, one of those things being his dad putting him down for trying to do something good and failing. Jack having an alcoholic dad also speaks to his lack of hope and the bedside manner that doesn't include hope, and his need to control outcomes. I guess I'm one of the only ones who didn't feel disappointed in the show. I was right there with them all the way. I want to know what happened to the Three Men in a Boat (ok, on a raft), and why the island was quarantined from those in the hatch, and about the shrine and the magnet and the computer and about the Others and why they knew about and wanted Walt. I'm psyched. You aren't alone, I loved it. I thought it was great! I want to find out about the raft, to. But I'm sure they will make it back. The underground guy has suppliers, Klieg lights are pretty new and a lot of the stuff he had was new. Look and you will see. So there is a way to get inside besides the bunker top. Also, he may have been alerted by the other explosion, and that is why the mirror is there. I told Matthew that I don't think he is with the "others", but is seperate from them. Since the quarantine is on the inside of the hatch, he may be taking some kind of drug that will keep his thoughts from happening. It reminds me a little of the Star Trek episode on the pleasure planet. It made peoples' dreams appear to be real. DragonAfter reading all the posts in this thread and so on, I am starting to think that Desmond is not with the Others on the island either. That they are in quarantine and that is why he is staying away from them.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 23:15:24 GMT -5
Lola: Nice work on the review. I definitely agree on the overall idea of how the show was not trying to say either Science or Faith is wrong, but rather that we all use both, each according to our own sensibilities, in the various situations which confront us - and further, that the wisdom of using one or the other, varies by person or situation - not that they are always mutually incompatible, because they aren't. Sometimes - like to recover from catastrophic damage to your spine - you need both. Also, like this line: "Will Sawyer be alive and, more importantly, shirtless?" You really know how to get right down to the most important stuff, don't you? Nice work! Got some giggles from your captions and enjoyed your review. Thanks, Lola!! Thank you, Spring. Somehow I knew you'd appreciate a call for more shirtless Sawyer. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 23:15:55 GMT -5
Lola: Nice work on the review. I definitely agree on the overall idea of how the show was not trying to say either Science or Faith is wrong, but rather that we all use both, each according to our own sensibilities, in the various situations which confront us - and further, that the wisdom of using one or the other, varies by person or situation - not that they are always mutually incompatible, because they aren't. Sometimes - like to recover from catastrophic damage to your spine - you need both. Also, like this line: "Will Sawyer be alive and, more importantly, shirtless?" You really know how to get right down to the most important stuff, don't you? Nice work! Got some giggles from your captions and enjoyed your review. Thanks, Lola!! I'm terrible about writing feedback that is specific and maybe helpful, but I wanted to thank you for writing this and tell you that I had fun reading it and took away some chewy stuff. Thanks, Jan.
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