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Post by Rob on Oct 22, 2005 22:22:25 GMT -5
If they kill Vincent, I'll stop watching the show. No reason why they should kill him.
I'm surprised poor Vinnie hasn't lost weight - what's the poor dog eating? Fruit? Glad they're not starving the dog in RL, though...
Vincent is cute in a big-dog goofus way; and he makes a dandy instrument of the Powers That Be or whoever.
GAIL Well, there's some protein in fish. Obviously I wasn't serious with regard to Vincent being among the possibilities for character death. I must say, though, it always interests me that fictional dogs and cats seem to mean more than fictional humans. Not judging at all, by the way; I have the exact same feelings. I suppose it's due to their innocence; dogs are pure of heart.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 22, 2005 22:58:31 GMT -5
I will provide all the comfort my poor little Sayid needs. So far this season, my biggest complaint is "not enough Sayid!" I have no idea who is going to die, but. . . I think of Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sawyer, Shannon, Walt, Locke and Hurley as absolutely safe. I can't say why exactly. I don't want to lose any of the rest: Jin, Sun, Charlie, Michael or Claire - but if we see a death amongst our "regulars" I would guess it will be one of these. Let me try to put them in order of liklihood: Claire Jin Charlie Sun Michael Just my own personal shot in the dark. Hmmm. So Vincent's in the clear? I'm thinking Vincent will be the murderer.
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Post by Moscow Watcher on Oct 23, 2005 11:52:32 GMT -5
Watched the episode at last. Got the impression that the members of Clan of Teddy Bear are some of Tail People. Can't explain why I felt that way.
I also got the impression that there is something that changes the psyche of those who have close contact with this mysterious "something". It enhances their dark side, awaken basic instincts etc.
Michelle Rodriguez's character is the only one whom we saw "before" and "after". She has been quite posh and groomed in flashback scene and she looks very tough and badass in present day scenes.
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Post by Jan on Oct 24, 2005 9:16:11 GMT -5
Watched the episode at last. Got the impression that the members of Clan of Teddy Bear are some of Tail People. Can't explain why I felt that way. I also got the impression that there is something that changes the psyche of those who have close contact with this mysterious "something". It enhances their dark side, awaken basic instincts etc. Michelle Rodriguez's character is the only one whom we saw "before" and "after". She has been quite posh and groomed in flashback scene and she looks very tough and badass in present day scenes. The teddy bear made me think that the person dragging it around had been placed (in whatever way) on the island when still a child--that it's an adult still carrying their childhood toy. I am grateful to the writers for including this teddy bear, providing us with the treasured "COTB."
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 24, 2005 12:32:22 GMT -5
Sara – Your dissection of the Sun/Jin relationship was perfect. I think I can say I agree with every well-written word.
And this line! In other news, bit by bit we’re also finding out a little more about our second set of castaways. Ana-Lucia is unquestionably the head of their group, but so far it seems she learned everything she needed to know about being a leader from watching Buffy’s seventh season. Hee. Thanks for the grin, and so true!
I liked the whole thing – really thorough and so beautifully thought out (your speciality). I particularly liked your observation about the repeated mention of marriage. One of my favorite things about the episode is that Jack shared, with Sun, the fact that he had once been married. He did it casually, and he did it to help her – but it was nevertheless a bit of a big deal for him to do that, and it was just a nice moment.
Thanks for your effort, Sara. It adds to my enjoyment of the ep and is much appreciated.
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Post by Sara on Oct 24, 2005 12:37:10 GMT -5
Sara – Your dissection of the Sun/Jin relationship was perfect. I think I can say I agree with every well-written word. And this line! In other news, bit by bit we’re also finding out a little more about our second set of castaways. Ana-Lucia is unquestionably the head of their group, but so far it seems she learned everything she needed to know about being a leader from watching Buffy’s seventh season. Hee. Thanks for the grin, and so true! I liked the whole thing – really thorough and so beautifully thought out (your speciality). I particularly liked your observation about the repeated mention of marriage. One of my favorite things about the episode is that Jack shared, with Sun, the fact that he had once been married. He did it casually, and he did it to help her – but it was nevertheless a bit of a big deal for him to do that, and it was just a nice moment. Thanks for your effort, Sara. It adds to my enjoyment of the ep and is much appreciated. Thank you for the compliments--you've definitely brightened my afternoon. Oh, wait--I'm supposed to be handing these out too, aren't I?
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Post by Squeemonster on Oct 24, 2005 21:32:15 GMT -5
Sara--loved3 your analysis. I really liked this episode for several reasons, but first and foremost it's because of Jin and Sun. When I first started watching Lost, I never would have thought that I could love these two characters (especially Jin) as much as I do. It was interesting to read that the actors knew their backstories from the beginning--I had not heard that before now.
I really enjoyed and agreed with all of your thoughts on the episode. Thank you for putting the time in on this. Like Spring said, you've made me appreciate the episode even more.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 24, 2005 22:18:00 GMT -5
Wonderful review, Sara!
Love how you point out that the flashbacks are just letting us see more facets of these people - but they were already the person that background helped to create. It's so easy to forget just how short a time they've been on the island and therefore how vital the flashbacks are in understanding each of the characters and therefore more about their behavior now. (For example: your quick summary of how each person's reaction to Sun reflects their personality.)
Your description of the complexity of Jin and Sun's relationship was most excellent. I particularly liked how you parallel Sun's and Jin's and Michael's different searches and link them all to a larger theme. That and the title of the ep - "found" - naturally lead us to think about what each person is really looking for and what they've found or not found. Loved the line about what Jin really lost when he married Sun; long before they got on that plane.
I share your interest in Mr. Echo. Ana-Lucia may be the leader of the group, but he's the one to watch as far as I'm concerned. Nice comparison of the tailenders to "our" group and the contrast of the real Others.
Favorite line?
Nicely put, Sara! As was the whole review.
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Post by Dragon on Oct 25, 2005 15:39:09 GMT -5
Interesting Sun/Locke conversation tying into the central theme of the episode and the show. Losing and Finding things. Things that are lost: the ring, the survivors, the folks from the rear part of the plane being doubly lost, losing one's spouse. Ana-Lucia and Sawyer flirting. bad ass style. Connections between spouses significance of finding her ring after she digs the bottle back up. I DON'T want Sawyer to go! Most interesting person on the show. I think Anna got the leader job by atrition. She is mean and nasty, not really a leader. No one answered the question, "Where are the rest of the people?" Maybe most are still there but hidden from the strangers that showed up. Since the others seem to be in good shape, Anna might think she can take over their camp and add her own to it. Curiously, no one ever asked where they came from since they washed up on shore. Jin sure didn't tell them. So did they know already? Echo doesn't like taking arbitrary orders from anyone and is strong enough to do much as he pleases, but usually for his own group. His trek after Michael is more than an offer to help Jin, it is also a little rebellion against Anna's dictatorship. Not the man I had picked for Rose's husband. But definitely a loving caring man. What in the hell was Michael thinking running off like that? I'm sure he realized that these people didn't have Walt. Was it the spin around , stop and point in a direction type of decision? Taking off like he did made no sense whatsoever. Dragon
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Post by Lola m on Oct 25, 2005 16:21:28 GMT -5
Interesting Sun/Locke conversation tying into the central theme of the episode and the show. Losing and Finding things. Things that are lost: the ring, the survivors, the folks from the rear part of the plane being doubly lost, losing one's spouse. Ana-Lucia and Sawyer flirting. bad ass style. Connections between spouses significance of finding her ring after she digs the bottle back up. I DON'T want Sawyer to go! Most interesting person on the show. I think Anna got the leader job by atrition. She is mean and nasty, not really a leader. No one answered the question, "Where are the rest of the people?" Maybe most are still there but hidden from the strangers that showed up. Since the others seem to be in good shape, Anna might think she can take over their camp and add her own to it. Curiously, no one ever asked where they came from since they washed up on shore. Jin sure didn't tell them. So did they know already? Echo doesn't like taking arbitrary orders from anyone and is strong enough to do much as he pleases, but usually for his own group. His trek after Michael is more than an offer to help Jin, it is also a little rebellion against Anna's dictatorship. Not the man I had picked for Rose's husband. But definitely a loving caring man. What in the hell was Michael thinking running off like that? I'm sure he realized that these people didn't have Walt. Was it the spin around , stop and point in a direction type of decision? Taking off like he did made no sense whatsoever. DragonI too am interested in finding out exactly how all the other tailenders disappeared. All killed by the COTB? Or the big island monster? Or perhaps some deeper ickiness among the tailender survivors?
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Post by Jalicia on Oct 31, 2005 17:20:35 GMT -5
I felt that Sawyer and Michael took a step backwards in their character development in this episode. How could Michael say he didn't consider Jin and Sawyer friends after Jin gave him the watch on the raft and Sawyer saved his life? And just as we're shown Sawyer starting to think about someone other than himself by trying to save Walt and saving Michael's life, he comes out with "I've got to think about myself." I was not convinced - although Michael did act like an idiot in this episode, suddenly running off for no apparent reason after telling Sawyer he wanted to find out a bit more about the tailenders before "staging a prison break" It's pretty obvious they gave Sawyer the line about thinking about himself because in the next episode he's going to need their help and instead of thinking about themselves they are going to put him first.
On the subject of Ana Lucia, it amuses me how much people don't like her. People felt the same way about Jin at the beginning. Whilst I'm not keen on her and I certainly want her to keep her hands off Sawyer, it's pretty clear to me that she is acting the way she is because she has been through a tough time on the island. Wait till her flashback and I bet we'll feel sorry for her.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 31, 2005 20:29:56 GMT -5
I felt that Sawyer and Michael took a step backwards in their character development in this episode. How could Michael say he didn't consider Jin and Sawyer friends after Jin gave him the watch on the raft and Sawyer saved his life? And just as we're shown Sawyer starting to think about someone other than himself by trying to save Walt and saving Michael's life, he comes out with "I've got to think about myself." I was not convinced - although Michael did act like an idiot in this episode, suddenly running off for no apparent reason after telling Sawyer he wanted to find out a bit more about the tailenders before "staging a prison break" It's pretty obvious they gave Sawyer the line about thinking about himself because in the next episode he's going to need their help and instead of thinking about themselves they are going to put him first. On the subject of Ana Lucia, it amuses me how much people don't like her. People felt the same way about Jin at the beginning. Whilst I'm not keen on her and I certainly want her to keep her hands off Sawyer, it's pretty clear to me that she is acting the way she is because she has been through a tough time on the island. Wait till her flashback and I bet we'll feel sorry for her. Hi, Jalicia! First - welcome to the S3! Please feel free to share your comments and observations on this thread or any other. SAWYER: Yes, interesting take on the interaction. I too was kind of disappointed in the lack of real "bonding" between the guys, considering what they'd been through, but continued tensions and suspicions are believable. Of the three, Jin seems to be the most . . . mature and reasonable and capable of understanding and selflessness. Of course, he doesn't have a reason to have Michael's heavy emotional response (Walt's missing!) and he's got his issues, but not as bad as Sawyer does. ANA-LUCIA: I think you're right that she's not nearly as tough as she acts, and we'll learn more about her that will help explain the tough-gal act. Why do you want her to keep her hands off Sawyer? I was thinking they could be kinda hot together. Are you a Sawyer/Kate fan, or you just don't think Ana & Sawyer would be right together? And again - welcome!!
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Post by jalicia on Nov 1, 2005 15:32:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome. I am a definite Skater - that's why I want Ana-Lucia to keep her hands off. At the moment he and Ana are not that compatible but we've yet to see her softer side.
I agree that Jin is the most mature of the three men - such a shame that his interaction with the others is so limited by his lack of English. If he'd been on the raft with them in Adrift then he probably would have knocked their heads together.
I agree with those who said this episode was a bit of a "filler". Although I enjoyed finding out about Jin and Sun's first meeting, the island plot didn't move along quickly enough and there probably wasn't enough Sawyer for me. Those who like Sayid and Charlie have my sympathies - they seem to have vanished!
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 1, 2005 18:30:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome. I am a definite Skater - that's why I want Ana-Lucia to keep her hands off. At the moment he and Ana are not that compatible but we've yet to see her softer side. I agree that Jin is the most mature of the three men - such a shame that his interaction with the others is so limited by his lack of English. If he'd been on the raft with them in Adrift then he probably would have knocked their heads together. I agree with those who said this episode was a bit of a "filler". Although I enjoyed finding out about Jin and Sun's first meeting, the island plot didn't move along quickly enough and there probably wasn't enough Sawyer for me. Those who like Sayid and Charlie have my sympathies - they seem to have vanished!You said it! Thanks for the sympathies. I am a Sayid fan and he's barely had any screen time. I am hoping this is remedied soon.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 2, 2005 13:38:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome. I am a definite Skater - that's why I want Ana-Lucia to keep her hands off. At the moment he and Ana are not that compatible but we've yet to see her softer side. I agree that Jin is the most mature of the three men - such a shame that his interaction with the others is so limited by his lack of English. If he'd been on the raft with them in Adrift then he probably would have knocked their heads together. I agree with those who said this episode was a bit of a "filler". Although I enjoyed finding out about Jin and Sun's first meeting, the island plot didn't move along quickly enough and there probably wasn't enough Sawyer for me. Those who like Sayid and Charlie have my sympathies - they seem to have vanished!You said it! Thanks for the sympathies. I am a Sayid fan and he's barely had any screen time. I am hoping this is remedied soon. **nods nods nods** Yes, as a big Sayid fan, I am hoping we get much more of him soon. And I don't mean just more flesh (although that would be nice ) but more island story.
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