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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2005 12:20:53 GMT -5
Interesting to explore how fear of the other leads to totalitarianism, sort of, with Ana-Lucia and the tail end group. It's gonna be very interesting to have the two groups mix and start comparing things. We're gonna see some resentment by the tailenders, I'll bet. Thinking that this group has "had it easy". And our first group is gonna be soooooo pissed at Ana for shooting Shannon! I agree on the not dead, or at least not all dead. I think that some have been either assimilated into the group or are being held by them for other purposes. |
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2005 12:22:12 GMT -5
uh... anybody else freaked out by the "teddy bears picnic" x-box commercial? Or is it just impressed on my mind from Angelus singing it in that ep? It got me. Especially after the "CotTB" clip, I found myself going briefly, "Who's flashback is this? Sayid's? Or mine, as a result of my '70's-based college years?" Figured out my skin wasn't going to start turning paisley about the time the XBox logo came up. *snortle* |
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 10, 2005 12:23:40 GMT -5
\ I shoulda known it faster from the whole theme of loss and death. But they suckered me good. Thank you. I was beginning to feel like the lone idiot stumbling around in the woods for not seeing it coming from the get-go.  All throughout the episode Greg and I kept talking about who was gonna die, and there seemed just as many reasons to argue it wouldn't be Shannon as there were that it would, at least to me--would they really kill both siblings, why finally make Shannon a character we can really relate to only to get rid of her, stuff like that. Anyway. I definitely didn't guess how the death was going to occur until the moments before it happened--talk about ratcheting up the drama of the other castaways' integration with our core survivors.
I liked Shannon's backstory. And I did think that her running off like an idiot after Phantom Walt had a lot to do with her wanting desperately to be believed and valued. Maybe she actually thought she could find the boy, accomplish one good thing.
I watched the ep with my mother. She was convinced that Sawyer would be the casualty. I'm convinced that Sawyer will survive until the end of the series. In fact, the writers could end it with a large raft, or a boat stolen from the Others - on it will be Claire, Turniphead, Walt, and either Misterecho or Sayyid - and they'll be found by the Love Boat or something.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2005 12:24:57 GMT -5
Dammit. That's particularly Jossian of them--fill out Shannon's history, make us have all this empathy for her, and then take her away. Brutal. And all because she was trying to help Walt.  Meanwhile, it'll be interesting to see what this does to Ana's tough-girl facade. I don't know. Was her single-mindedness because she wanted to help Walt, or because she desperately needed someone to believe in her? I tend to think the latter. A bit of both, I'm thinking. With her not really admitting how much was "believe me". And I think it was the "the other survivors have to see him and thus believe me and make my actions meaningful" that drove her to charge after him and get shot. |
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2005 12:28:04 GMT -5
Since Maggie Grace would not have been allowed to mention her impending freedom from LOST obligations, I'm assuming that it might have been difficult for her to get other acting jobs until now; so I hope she received extra compensation in that contract...
In response to rich's post - I hope that every time a character grows up a bit, or gets over some of their problems, the writers don't kill him/her off. Some of these characters will, or should grow and change due to their extraordinary experiences; and it would be annoying if they were each killed off for making progress.
Have we seen any character become more of a jerk due to the stress of being LOST? Maybe Ana-Lucia? Could be that she got fond of the kids that were abducted, and now she's become Captain Ironbutt or whatever as a reaction. The Tailies are still losing people though. Maybe poor Cindy hung back just to get away from Ana-Lucia, and that's whenthe Others grabbed or killed her.
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I wonder . . . if the COTB Others start preying on the first survivor group like they did on the tailenders, how that will change their behavior and interaction with each other. Will they become more like the tail folk? |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 10, 2005 12:44:32 GMT -5
BTW, where in the show was this teddy bears picnic commercial? I recorded it fast forwarded through the commercials when I was watching so I missed it. Thankee. right after the big scary "LOST" fly-through, at the beginning. OK, thanks. Just saw it. I agree: it is disturbing. |
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Post by Sara on Nov 10, 2005 13:18:28 GMT -5
Since Maggie Grace would not have been allowed to mention her impending freedom from LOST obligations, I'm assuming that it might have been difficult for her to get other acting jobs until now; so I hope she received extra compensation in that contract...
In response to rich's post - I hope that every time a character grows up a bit, or gets over some of their problems, the writers don't kill him/her off. Some of these characters will, or should grow and change due to their extraordinary experiences; and it would be annoying if they were each killed off for making progress.
Have we seen any character become more of a jerk due to the stress of being LOST? Maybe Ana-Lucia? Could be that she got fond of the kids that were abducted, and now she's become Captain Ironbutt or whatever as a reaction. The Tailies are still losing people though. Maybe poor Cindy hung back just to get away from Ana-Lucia, and that's whenthe Others grabbed or killed her.
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I agree--it probably was tough for Grace to line up any new work, although perhaps her agent (presuming said agent has a roster of clients) could at least scout potential jobs for her. I hope so, anyway. Let's see, someone becoming more of a jerk... Well, we did have Sayid regress back to his days as a torturer, although he certainly didn't linger there for long. As you said, we don't yet know why Ana Lucia behaves as she does, so there could be an understandeable reason for her behavior. And Charlies seems in danger of sliding back into his selfish ways. Hmm. Very good points all around, Gail. |
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Post by Sara on Nov 10, 2005 13:55:13 GMT -5
Just thought I'd share this interesting theory from the Entertainment Weekly website:
I'm calling it: Libby's a plant. She's the Ethan of the Tailies' camp.
First off, go to the tape. Libby's the last one to interact with Cindy. And Cindy's carrying a large blue knapsack. By the time they've climbed to the top, Libby's carrying the knapsack. You're telling me she took the knapsack from Cindy and then proceeded to forget all about her? This is a ridge, not K-2 — you don't just ''lose'' people like that. Also notable: Cindy hands Libby a walking stick of some sort, just before we lose track of her completely. As this handoff takes place, we see a cavelike opening in the background, right where Cindy's about to pass. And it looks as if there's some sort of shape inside.
But here's my best evidence of Libby's treachery: Tonight, she told Sawyer she's a clinical psychologist. Well, who appears to have designed this tropical house of horrors, according to a certain orientation video? A team of clinical psychologists, that's who. Coincidence? What do you think? Is there such a thing as coincidence in the world of television drama? Consult the little Locke on your left shoulder (as opposed to the tiny Jack on your right).
I'd actually been talking with my friend Sarah over lunch as to whether Libby was a plant of some sort. Not necessarily allied with the Others, but perhaps there to keep an eye on the castaways first hand. However, then I wondered why she would tell them she's a psychologist if that is the case, as it would make her look suspicious if they ever did learn about the Dharma Initiative.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 10, 2005 13:59:39 GMT -5
Interesting to explore how fear of the other leads to totalitarianism, sort of, with Ana-Lucia and the tail end group. It's gonna be very interesting to have the two groups mix and start comparing things. We're gonna see some resentment by the tailenders, I'll bet. Thinking that this group has "had it easy". And our first group is gonna be soooooo pissed at Ana for shooting Shannon! Ah, yes, interesting in-group/out-group phenomena to be seen. Kind of a precursor to if these people ever met up with the outside world again. |
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Post by Rob on Nov 10, 2005 14:34:49 GMT -5
Well, last I checked, she came very close to landing a role in "X3," but just missed out. I remember when Lindelof was asked about this possibility; he said it wouldn't affect her shooting schedule (maybe he meant to say "scheduled shooting").  It's not unheard of for actors to shoot films and television series at the same time anyway, so I doubt it had much residual effect on other things. |
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Post by Rachael on Nov 10, 2005 18:24:42 GMT -5
\ I shoulda known it faster from the whole theme of loss and death. But they suckered me good. Thank you. I was beginning to feel like the lone idiot stumbling around in the woods for not seeing it coming from the get-go. All throughout the episode Greg and I kept talking about who was gonna die, and there seemed just as many reasons to argue it wouldn't be Shannon as there were that it would, at least to me--would they really kill both siblings, why finally make Shannon a character we can really relate to only to get rid of her, stuff like that. Anyway. I definitely didn't guess how the death was going to occur until the moments before it happened--talk about ratcheting up the drama of the other castaways' integration with our core survivors. Huh. See, the reason I felt it had to be a setup is 'cause it seemed to be the obvious choice. What with her backstory and us knowing they were gonna do away with someone. It had to be someone we cared about, and we'd think it was gonna be Shannon, and then next week we'd find out that Sawyer died on the way back to camp, but the Miracle Jack had managed to save Shannon. |
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Post by Sara on Nov 10, 2005 18:40:56 GMT -5
Thank you. I was beginning to feel like the lone idiot stumbling around in the woods for not seeing it coming from the get-go. All throughout the episode Greg and I kept talking about who was gonna die, and there seemed just as many reasons to argue it wouldn't be Shannon as there were that it would, at least to me--would they really kill both siblings, why finally make Shannon a character we can really relate to only to get rid of her, stuff like that. Anyway. I definitely didn't guess how the death was going to occur until the moments before it happened--talk about ratcheting up the drama of the other castaways' integration with our core survivors. Huh. See, the reason I felt it had to be a setup is 'cause it seemed to be the obvious choice. What with her backstory and us knowing they were gonna do away with someone. It had to be someone we cared about, and we'd think it was gonna be Shannon, and then next week we'd find out that Sawyer died on the way back to camp, but the Miracle Jack had managed to save Shannon. Interestingly enough, Sarah said she didn't suspect it would be Shannon at all--she was keeping her eye on Jin. But she added that if she'd known it was supposed to be one of the ladies who would be "lost forever" she'd have pegged it as Shannon. |
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Post by Onjel on Nov 10, 2005 19:49:50 GMT -5
Lost was a big topic on local radio here, this evening. One of the DJs opined (and I am sure you have all heard this before) that they are all in purgatory and when they are completed, they "die" and move onto the other side. The kid who is wet and talks backwards (?) and Shannon found someone to love her for herself and was complete. Therefore, she "died" moving on to the other side.
There was some discussion that the guy who was not talking was mute on the plane and is now whole, while waiting in purgatory.
He loves the show. Maybe I should e-mail him about our little corner of the world. ;D
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Post by Sara on Nov 10, 2005 20:20:43 GMT -5
Lost was a big topic on local radio here, this evening. One of the DJs opined (and I am sure you have all heard this before) that they are all in purgatory and when they are completed, they "die" and move onto the other side. The kid who is wet and talks backwards (?) and Shannon found someone to love her for herself and was complete. Therefore, she "died" moving on to the other side. There was some discussion that the guy who was not talking was mute on the plane and is now whole, while waiting in purgatory. He loves the show. Maybe I should e-mail him about our little corner of the world. ;D Absolutely. Meanwhile, I noticed something interesting when Greg and I rewatched the last few minutes of the episode. When Eko prevents Ana from going after Cindy, Ana blames him for what happened and says "this one's on you" (emphasis hers). Which implies that there's "one" she feels someone else is responsible for--and I suspect it's herself that she blames. |
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Post by Rachael on Nov 10, 2005 20:23:05 GMT -5
Lost was a big topic on local radio here, this evening. One of the DJs opined (and I am sure you have all heard this before) that they are all in purgatory and when they are completed, they "die" and move onto the other side. The kid who is wet and talks backwards (?) and Shannon found someone to love her for herself and was complete. Therefore, she "died" moving on to the other side. There was some discussion that the guy who was not talking was mute on the plane and is now whole, while waiting in purgatory. He loves the show. Maybe I should e-mail him about our little corner of the world. ;D In which case, for Shannon, getting a guy to love her for herself is required for completion? I thought she had a few things left to accomplish, myself. Although the selfless heading out to find Walt was a big boost. |
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All throughout the episode Greg and I kept talking about who was gonna die, and there seemed just as many reasons to argue it wouldn't be Shannon as there were that it would, at least to me--would they really kill both siblings, why finally make Shannon a character we can really relate to only to get rid of her, stuff like that. 
