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Post by Lola m on Jan 12, 2006 17:42:49 GMT -5
[shadow=lime green,left,300]HAPPY NEW YEAR belated! [/shadow]
Ooh, I loved the episode! Mistereko is one powerful man; and I think he'll become a major player among the Lostaways.
I wonder if the young Eko originally took the gun from his little brother's hand and shot the priest himself in order to keep Yemi from becoming a killer, as well as preventing the baddies from shooting the little boy - in this way, Eko took his brother's place for the first time. He took the path of darkness that was being forced upon Yemi, but, at that point, for the purest of reasons, and did succeed in saving his brother. Later, Yemi returns the favor, and when (I think), Eko eventually takes up the cross that his brother had worn (that the baddies had torn off Eko when they took him away), the circle is complete. **nods nods nods** #claps# Very good points here! I totally believe that we are meant to keep looking at the similarities and differences between Locke and Eko. [/color] [/quote] I feel sad about how Claire reacted, but can also really understand it. And, seeing Charlie's hoarded stash, I have to think it was a smart thing for her to have done.
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Post by Rachael on Jan 12, 2006 17:45:52 GMT -5
Oh how sad - "my dad used to take me hunting". Leaving the impression it was something done since he was a kid. I like that Michael is one who just straightforwardly asked - how do you know about this stuff? Michael has a better plan for finding Walt, I'm betting. See, I was tired last night, but THIS, above is what I meant. "Used to", as in it happened more than once and was normal. Ack, such a liar about how he learned to shoot.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 12, 2006 17:47:26 GMT -5
Oh how sad - "my dad used to take me hunting". Leaving the impression it was something done since he was a kid. I like that Michael is one who just straightforwardly asked - how do you know about this stuff? Michael has a better plan for finding Walt, I'm betting. See, I was tired last night, but THIS, above is what I meant. "Used to", as in it happened more than once and was normal. Ack, such a liar about how he learned to shoot. Kinda sad and creepy and sad.
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Post by Rachael on Jan 12, 2006 17:49:01 GMT -5
That's not what I expected it to look like. ...And Mr. Eko is meaner than it. I bet it doesn't always look that way. I mean, sometimes it looks like a polar bear. And sometimes like a black horse. And sometimes...okay, so I'm making a huge assumption here. I'm betting, though, that Locke and Eko didn't see the same thing. I had this flash, during the Black Smoke Monster scene: "the thing on the island shows you your soul". Don't know if it means anything.
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Post by Matthew on Jan 12, 2006 17:52:50 GMT -5
That's not what I expected it to look like. ...And Mr. Eko is meaner than it. I bet it doesn't always look that way. I mean, sometimes it looks like a polar bear.
And sometimes like a black horse.And sometimes...okay, so I'm making a huge assumption here. I'm betting, though, that Locke and Eko didn't see the same thing. I had this flash, during the Black Smoke Monster scene: "the thing on the island shows you your soul". Don't know if it means anything. I was wondering about the horse thing last night, but this explains the bears, the Sawyer Boar and other things so well..
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Post by leftylady on Jan 12, 2006 17:54:58 GMT -5
about the scary smoke monster: this is from tvguide.com's watercooler: www.tvguide.com/TV/Watercooler/"Armed with all that tragedy and faith, Eko scared away the black-cloud monster with just a mean ol' glare. This was the DVR slow-mo play of the week: After many rewinds and pauses, I'm pretty sure I could make out the shadowy images of the old man he killed, the church, his brother and the statue-selling lady. Seems to me like the monster is made up of what haunts you from your past. And after the kind of life he's had, neither that nor the insane coincidence of surviving a plane crash on the same island your brother crashed into years ago could make you flinch. " Apparently the id monster is literal as well as figurative. Did anyone slo mo that part to see what the monster is or does? And now more parallels for Eko and Locke - the facing of the monster and the "shaman" role filled by someone who calls himself a priest. Is he really? The fake ordination would not serve to make him one even if he stepped into his brother's role after the plane incident. I'm hoping that we will get more backstory eventually that will explain that one. Eko & Charlie - the priest and the altar boy. How many Hail Mary's do they both need to say to cover their sins of drug use / drug trafficking? Great new characters, great potential. Sue, you were talking about all the open threads in 33 episodes. Just this week, my local paper had an article on Lost that included an interview with Carlton Cuse. He was asked if the mystery would ever be solved. He pretty much said never as long as the network wanted to keep the show on, they would not allow complete resolution. Partial answers and extensions to the questions, but resolution, no. Not until they were ready to cancel the show. I don't mind this. I want to keep interested in learning more. If everything was solved, what then? "24" can complete a day and start a new day the new year, but what do you do on an island? So for me, the more open ideas to play off of the better.
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Post by Karen on Jan 12, 2006 19:04:29 GMT -5
That's not what I expected it to look like. ...And Mr. Eko is meaner than it. I bet it doesn't always look that way. I mean, sometimes it looks like a polar bear. And sometimes like a black horse. And sometimes...okay, so I'm making a huge assumption here. I'm betting, though, that Locke and Eko didn't see the same thing. I had this flash, during the Black Smoke Monster scene: "the thing on the island shows you your soul". Don't know if it means anything. Sometimes it looks like your dead father? Ah! Very cool insight. I like this very much. And what is your soul but your id (as Anne has said - the id monster - I love that!) - primitive instincts and energies underlying all psychic activity - in some circles anyway. What we're seeing is not what they're seeing? What causes it to corporealize? Rage? Love? Fear? Strong emotion of any kind? And what about Walt? Is he part of the island now or is someone using his energy in some way? Those people on the boat that took Walt are key somehow. I'm feeling a little frightened for Turniphead.
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Post by Karen on Jan 12, 2006 19:09:58 GMT -5
Charlie's rationalizations must have seemed pathetic to Eko. As far as sinning goes, Charlie's a piker compared to Eko. Eko knows what evil is. He knows it in his blood he knows it in his skin. He's carrying on for his brother and trying to live as a righteous man. He broods alot and he's trying to atone for all the horrible things he did. Does that make him like anyone we know? Hmmmmmmm. And now he's stuck on an island with Holland Manners Rose's husband. Guess he really meant the whole elevator "hell is earth" thing, eh?I think Charlie's rationalizations generally really made Eko want to smack him even more. But when he talked about his brother, and how it was his fault and he was the good kid, etc. . . . I think that shook Eko a little. #rofl1# Lola! You rock! #rofl1# Yes, Eko was taken aback a bit when Charlie said "It was my brother's fault." I'm sure that same thought has crossed Eko's mind quite a few times, but he never faulted his brother like Charlie has. When Charlie owns up to the fact that it was the choices that he made that made him an addict, then he'll shanshu die, probably.
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Post by rich on Jan 12, 2006 20:46:48 GMT -5
I like the notion that the ESM is a person's ID, or soul, or perhaps dark side. It makes sense then that it would look different to different people. Jan thinks that the reason Locke and Eko each survived their encounter with the ESM is that neither is afraid of it.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 12, 2006 21:39:42 GMT -5
Thoughts (hey 8 pages already, well received episode, huh?)
I know next to nothing about Nigeria, so I'm wondering whether it's realistic that, aside from the chattering of the extras, all the flashback scenes are in English. Or are we to understand that they actually are all conversing in whatever language but they're just shown speaking English (because none of the actors speak the language)?
I'm so ignorant that I'm not actually sure what language(s) would be spoken in Nigeria.
Mr. Eko "is not a good person" so he doesn't get taken by The Others
cornrows!
brother parallels Charlie/his brother, Eko/Yami, Moses/Aaron Eko asks if Yami is a prophet
Charlie clearly has a way to go on his 12 step program
I love Charlie, but he can be annoying
hair cutting scene is a nice nod to how everyone has refrained from becoming so scruffy looking. It is possible to look your best.
creature is black smoke, like the stairs in Mary Poppins
Some one else said this, but I'm really impressed with the amount of discovered talent on this show (and genre shows in general). This actor who plays Mr. Eko is fabulous and I never would have known otherwise
Nice denoument by giving Charlie another statue
montage: Kate looking back and forth between Sawyer and Jack
oh, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie
Locke confronted Charlie about his addiction in a season 1 episode, didn't he? Connection here with Mr. Eko
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Post by Rachael on Jan 12, 2006 22:07:39 GMT -5
I like the notion that the ESM is a person's ID, or soul, or perhaps dark side. It makes sense then that it would look different to different people. Jan thinks that the reason Locke and Eko each survived their encounter with the ESM is that neither is afraid of it. Or perhaps one's demons.... It's interesting, though, to me, that if this is true, the horse is the only one that's been seen away from the island. Also...its form gets determined, maybe, by whoever sees it first, but the form is "real" in the sense that others see the same thing. If the Kate/Sawyer (it was Sawyer, right?) horse scene is to be believed.
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Post by rich on Jan 12, 2006 22:29:27 GMT -5
Some one else said this, but I'm really impressed with the amount of discovered talent on this show (and genre shows in general). This actor who plays Mr. Eko is fabulous and I never would have known otherwise. I first saw Adewale Akinnouye-Agbaje (Gee, I guess it really is easier to say Eko, isn't it.) and Harold Perrineau (Michael) on HBO's very dark and nasty series Oz. Adewale played one of the nastiest characters on that show, Simon Adebisi. Adebisi was a murderer and drug dealer like Eko but without any of Eko's redeeming qualities. Pretty damn close to evil personified. Hatred and rage would radiate off him like a physical force. He was one of my favorite TV villains of the 1990s.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 12, 2006 22:38:16 GMT -5
Some one else said this, but I'm really impressed with the amount of discovered talent on this show (and genre shows in general). This actor who plays Mr. Eko is fabulous and I never would have known otherwise. I first saw Adewale Akinnouye-Agbaje (Gee, I guess it really is easier to say Eko, isn't it.) and Harold Perrineau (Michael) on HBO's very dark and nasty series Oz. Adewale play one of the nastiest characters on that show, Simon Adebisi. Adebisi was a murderer and drug dealer without any of Eko's redeeming qualities. Pretty damn close to evil personified. Hatred and rage would radiate off him like a physical force. He was one of my favorite TV villains of the 1990s. Ah, Oz is one of those shows that been on my Must See list, but I haven't gotten to it yet.
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Post by Rob on Jan 12, 2006 23:14:57 GMT -5
The text I saw was "You need to con...." That could well be. My mind may have converted the "con" to "come", or it may be the discussion I had with the family on "what did that say?" may have biased me toward "come". Can't say with certainty. I saw come on the monitor. Perhaps I should rephrase...
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Post by Rachael on Jan 12, 2006 23:45:42 GMT -5
That could well be. My mind may have converted the "con" to "come", or it may be the discussion I had with the family on "what did that say?" may have biased me toward "come". Can't say with certainty. I saw come on the monitor. Perhaps I should rephrase... You are correct. On both counts.
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