|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 4, 2006 17:09:25 GMT -5
Ah, this is the aftermath, how Ana-Lucia left the force. It's about asking for help. Most killers love to talk. No, don't lean in to that close! I knew it. You're the killer, Ana-Lucia. "Henry" has the gall to be upset about those 2 Others that were killed in self-defense after everything else. Now she works for the TSA? Didn't see that coming. OMG, is there anybody that Jack's father hasn't had a drink with? Oh, so this is before Sydney. He's propositioning Ana-Lucia? Why would fate do that. Same reason fate does anything- so we can help each other out. Oh, hiring her as a bodyguard. Interesting. Tom and Sarah. Don't do anything stupid. Famous last words. Locke's one of the good ones. More mind-fracking. So The Others are fanatics. Or maybe just "Henry." Or its entirely an act. He has a daughter? Jack's half-sister? "Say Anything" conversation. Other ways than force, I guess. Boo-yah!! But I'd never have the nerve to do something like that. He can't apologize to Jack. Running away. Till y'all end up on an island that foils every attempt to escape. Sawyer too? Geez. My brain can't hold everyone's trajectory. 22 in this camp. Whole tent and dried fish thing as a cover, and another hatch. Cartoon running past the same background over and over again. About being Lost. Again. Poor clueless Hurley. Jin giving Hurley the thumbs up. Hee. Well, if they can't get any more info out of him, and he keeps with the mind-frakking... This scene again. Interesting. So, she didn't actually kill him. It's been over a week since they caught Henry. Powerlessness. Cause that's what they do. See, that's the thing. 18-1-31. OMGWTF!!!! OMGWTF? Two for the road. I had heard about this, but I thought it was just hateful thinking. And did anything happen after Michael opened the door to the armory, cause my recording cut off. ETA: so quick check to twop reveals that what I missed was Michael shooting himself, but not fatally although we're supposed to think so. Oookay.
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 4, 2006 17:24:18 GMT -5
It still might be. Nothing wrong with killing 2 birds with one stone.Wait. Isn't that more like one bird, with two stones?
|
|
|
Post by Sara on May 4, 2006 19:31:43 GMT -5
"No man is an island..." Even if Kate hated Ana-Lucia's guts, A-L was a member of her tribe: a familiar face, and even if a sort of competitor for Jack's attention, she was an ally. Kate can kill, and has killed before, without remorse: but when someone died as a result of her actions, she showed great grief. If the previews are to be believed, AND her character hated A-L as much as you feel she did, she may be simply grieving over the fact that her "safe zone", her home, is not "safe" any more. I think it's more complex than that, in that she had adopted Ana-Lucia as a member of her tribe, just as surely as Michael, Sawyer, John, Charlie, Hurley, Sayid, and Jack are. She may not get along with some of them at some times, but death of those in your tribe, at the hands of the alien, is a rough thing.I disagree: I thought Ana-Lucia was painted very true to the established character in this episode. Under the right circumstances, I've wept over Kodak commercials. I'm sure I would be weeping if I was Kate, over what happened. Hallmark commercials are usually the ones that get to me--I'm invariably a mess by the end of 'em.
|
|
|
Post by rich on May 4, 2006 19:57:25 GMT -5
This episode was truly a stupid piece of crap. This was such a badly written episode that I'm still fuming about it. Talk about contrivance of the worst kind! I haven't felt this angry and disappointed over a character's death since the writers of CHARMED bumped off Julian McMahon's character. As for Michael . . . I don't hate him. I hate the writers and producers who ruined his character, all because Harold Perrineau had complained about the bonuses received by Fox, Holloway, O'Quinn and Lilly. It seemed as if the writers had completely regressed Ana-Lucia's character, so that she would be in a position to hand over Sawyer's gun to Michael. And the writers had Michael kill her for a very unecessary reason . . . so that the Lostaways would be inclined to go after the Others. And he didn't need to do this. Why? Because Ana-Lucia had already told him that Jack and the other Lostaways clearly intend to go after Walt as soon as they get the guns from Sawyer. Next week's previews made even less sense. They had Kate weeping over the bodies of two women she doesn't even care for. She and Ana-Lucia barely liked each other. And Kate was suspicious and paranoid over Libby, back in "Maternity Leave". It's quite apparent that the loss of the show's two best writers and best female character was clearly felt in this episode. The show’s creators must have been channeling Joss Whedon.I think that we all KNOW that Ana and Libby’s deaths were simply a network ploy to get rid of Rodriguez and Watros for the DUI charges. Come on! If they had, I think someone higher up on Rob's "untouchables" list would have been offed.
|
|
|
Post by rich on May 4, 2006 20:02:28 GMT -5
Spring, forget it. You're wasting your breath. I think we all know why Michael had killed her and framed Henry. This whole plotline reeks of amateur writing. We do? 'Cause I've been talking to friends in both RL and online, and none of us have quite figured out what Michael was up to. Has he been brainwashed by the Others? Has he made a deal with them to save Walt? Were he and Henry working together from the start? And what does he still need from the Losties that he couldn't simply leave with Henry but instead had to shoot himself so he'd remain above suspicion? Then again, my psychic powers have been on the fritz of late, so maybe I'm just behind the curve again... Um... how do we know that's why Kate was crying? 'Cause the trailer was more than a little vague, and we all know the preview from last week was pretty misleading in many respects: chief among them the actual reason Ana threatened Sawyer. Going on the previews alone, her threat seemed to be because he'd found out something very bad about her that she didn't want anyone to know. Now, of course, we realize the reason was much more mundane. I'm sorry you feel that way. I've thought about it and find that I am curious to find out what ultimately happens to Michael. So I'll be hanging in at least until that question is resolved.
|
|
|
Post by SpringSummers on May 4, 2006 20:34:17 GMT -5
This episode was truly a stupid piece of crap. This was such a badly written episode that I'm still fuming about it. Talk about contrivance of the worst kind! I haven't felt this angry and disappointed over a character's death since the writers of CHARMED bumped off Julian McMahon's character. As for Michael . . . I don't hate him. I hate the writers and producers who ruined his character, all because Harold Perrineau had complained about the bonuses received by Fox, Holloway, O'Quinn and Lilly. It seemed as if the writers had completely regressed Ana-Lucia's character, so that she would be in a position to hand over Sawyer's gun to Michael. And the writers had Michael kill her for a very unecessary reason . . . so that the Lostaways would be inclined to go after the Others. And he didn't need to do this. Why? Because Ana-Lucia had already told him that Jack and the other Lostaways clearly intend to go after Walt as soon as they get the guns from Sawyer. Next week's previews made even less sense. They had Kate weeping over the bodies of two women she doesn't even care for. She and Ana-Lucia barely liked each other. And Kate was suspicious and paranoid over Libby, back in "Maternity Leave". It's quite apparent that the loss of the show's two best writers and best female character was clearly felt in this episode. The show’s creators must have been channeling Joss Whedon.I think that we all KNOW that Ana and Libby’s deaths were simply a network ploy to get rid of Rodriguez and Watros for the DUI charges. Come on! If they had, I think someone higher up on Rob's "untouchables" list would have been offed. Yes - very true. Plus, Hurley would have lost an eye. Or at least an ear.
|
|
|
Post by rich on May 4, 2006 20:58:39 GMT -5
If they had, I think someone higher up on Rob's "untouchables" list would have been offed. Yes - very true. Plus, Hurley would have lost an eye. Or at least an ear. Yes, or a limb. I'm coming out with a book about this. It's called Dismemberment - Rapid weight loss for the truly impatient.
|
|
|
Post by Jan on May 5, 2006 6:12:59 GMT -5
Yes - very true. Plus, Hurley would have lost an eye. Or at least an ear. Yes, or a limb. I'm coming out with a book about this. It's called Dismemberment - Rapid weight loss for the truly impatient.#rofl1# You crack me up, ya know that?
|
|
|
Post by rich on May 5, 2006 6:54:17 GMT -5
Yes, or a limb. I'm coming out with a book about this. It's called Dismemberment - Rapid weight loss for the truly impatient. You crack me up, ya know that? I love you too, Sweetie.
|
|
|
Post by Rob on May 5, 2006 6:58:14 GMT -5
Yes - very true. Plus, Hurley would have lost an eye. Or at least an ear. Yes, or a limb. I'm coming out with a book about this. It's called Dismemberment - Rapid weight loss for the truly impatient.The above? Is funny.
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 5, 2006 17:43:21 GMT -5
Rewatched: Michael is definitely shaking and crying when during the shoot-out. He's got a look of horror after he shot Libby, like that was an accident because she startled him. I'm leaning towards it actually being Michael, but he's fulfilling the Losties end of the bargain by facilitating "Henry's" escape. Shooting Ana-Lucia because he had to shoot whoever was left keeping watch (they wouldn't let him keep watch over the "Henry" and the hatch in the condition that he's in. So, Ana-Lucia and Libby just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or at least that's my current theory. And Mama Cop will never get to see her mija come back home. Oh, and is Jack's dad's reason for going to Sydney in the first place to see his illegitimate daughter? If so, then he must have been there before, maybe. Also, caught the Hanso commercial this time. Hee. Reminds me of the Scientology commercials.
|
|
|
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 5, 2006 18:30:35 GMT -5
Rewatched: Michael is definitely shaking and crying when during the shoot-out. He's got a look of horror after he shot Libby, like that was an accident because she startled him. I'm leaning towards it actually being Michael, but he's fulfilling the Losties end of the bargain by facilitating "Henry's" escape. Shooting Ana-Lucia because he had to shoot whoever was left keeping watch (they wouldn't let him keep watch over the "Henry" and the hatch in the condition that he's in. So, Ana-Lucia and Libby just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or at least that's my current theory. And Mama Cop will never get to see her mija come back home. Oh, and is Jack's dad's reason for going to Sydney in the first place to see his illegitimate daughter? If so, then he must have been there before, maybe. Also, caught the Hanso commercial this time. Hee. Reminds me of the Scientology commercials. I rewatched the last five minutes and the previews when I was cuing the tape for Sunday (I'm taping another show on the same tape). I agree, Michael shot poor Libby by accident. If it really is Michael, and I'm afraid it is, he's got major problems - he could have facilitated faux!Henry's escape by knocking Ana-Lucia out instead of killing her. Come to think of it, Michael had no way of knowing Ana-Lucia would give him the gun until it happened. I'd like to know what he was thinking. Jack's dad could have met the mother of his child when she was visiting the US, or he could have been to Australia before. It's probably one of those loose threads we'll never figure out.
|
|
|
Post by SpringSummers on May 5, 2006 19:45:09 GMT -5
Rewatched: Michael is definitely shaking and crying when during the shoot-out. He's got a look of horror after he shot Libby, like that was an accident because she startled him. I'm leaning towards it actually being Michael, but he's fulfilling the Losties end of the bargain by facilitating "Henry's" escape. Shooting Ana-Lucia because he had to shoot whoever was left keeping watch (they wouldn't let him keep watch over the "Henry" and the hatch in the condition that he's in. So, Ana-Lucia and Libby just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or at least that's my current theory. And Mama Cop will never get to see her mija come back home. Oh, and is Jack's dad's reason for going to Sydney in the first place to see his illegitimate daughter? If so, then he must have been there before, maybe. Also, caught the Hanso commercial this time. Hee. Reminds me of the Scientology commercials. I rewatched the last five minutes and the previews when I was cuing the tape for Sunday (I'm taping another show on the same tape). I agree, Michael shot poor Libby by accident. If it really is Michael, and I'm afraid it is, he's got major problems - he could have facilitated faux!Henry's escape by knocking Ana-Lucia out instead of killing her. Come to think of it, Michael had no way of knowing Ana-Lucia would give him the gun until it happened. I'd like to know what he was thinking. Jack's dad could have met the mother of his child when she was visiting the US, or he could have been to Australia before. It's probably one of those loose threads we'll never figure out. Oh - I thought Michael shot both women on purpose. For some reason, Michael felt that he HAD to shoot Ana, though his apologetic manner and tortured look said "I don't want to do this - I really really don't - but I have to, please forgive me." Then Libby showed up, and Michael was trapped into having to shoot her as well, because she was now a witness (IMO, definitely a guess) and he couldn't have anyone contradicting whatever story he's going to be cooking up, about what happened. Yes - no telling how, or where, Jack's dad met the woman he went to see in Australia. But I am thinking maybe we will get that answer. I wonder how old Jack's sister is? Could she be on the island?
|
|
|
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 5, 2006 21:37:38 GMT -5
I rewatched the last five minutes and the previews when I was cuing the tape for Sunday (I'm taping another show on the same tape). I agree, Michael shot poor Libby by accident. If it really is Michael, and I'm afraid it is, he's got major problems - he could have facilitated faux!Henry's escape by knocking Ana-Lucia out instead of killing her. Come to think of it, Michael had no way of knowing Ana-Lucia would give him the gun until it happened. I'd like to know what he was thinking. Jack's dad could have met the mother of his child when she was visiting the US, or he could have been to Australia before. It's probably one of those loose threads we'll never figure out. Oh - I thought Michael shot both women on purpose. For some reason, Michael felt that he HAD to shoot Ana, though his apologetic manner and tortured look said "I don't want to do this - I really really don't - but I have to, please forgive me." Then Libby showed up, and Michael was trapped into having to shoot her as well, because she was now a witness (IMO, definitely a guess) and he couldn't have anyone contradicting whatever story he's going to be cooking up, about what happened. Yes - no telling how, or where, Jack's dad met the woman he went to see in Australia. But I am thinking maybe we will get that answer. I wonder how old Jack's sister is? Could she be on the island? The second time I watched it, it looked to me like Michael spun around and the gun went off by accident - he looked shocked. He might have shot Libby anyway, but this really looked unintended. In my humble opinion, anyway.
|
|
|
Post by Karen on May 5, 2006 21:49:04 GMT -5
Oh - I thought Michael shot both women on purpose. For some reason, Michael felt that he HAD to shoot Ana, though his apologetic manner and tortured look said "I don't want to do this - I really really don't - but I have to, please forgive me." Then Libby showed up, and Michael was trapped into having to shoot her as well, because she was now a witness (IMO, definitely a guess) and he couldn't have anyone contradicting whatever story he's going to be cooking up, about what happened. Yes - no telling how, or where, Jack's dad met the woman he went to see in Australia. But I am thinking maybe we will get that answer. I wonder how old Jack's sister is? Could she be on the island? The second time I watched it, it looked to me like Michael spun around and the gun went off by accident - he looked shocked. He might have shot Libby anyway, but this really looked unintended. In my humble opinion, anyway. That's the way I saw it go down.
|
|