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Post by Lola m on May 30, 2006 7:24:45 GMT -5
I loved this finale. And I love this show. And I love this discussion. And I don't even think we've scratched the surface. **nods nods nods** ;D Very very fascinated with all the thermodynamic info and big foot speculations and so on, everyone! Keep posting the links.
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Post by havoc on May 31, 2006 22:09:45 GMT -5
Ran across something today that struck me as interesting as concerns this show. It was about the planet Mars. Apparently, all the ancient cultures were terrified of the planet mars for reasons that seem to indicate that the planet itself diverges from it's normal orbit close enough to Earth that it's moons could be seen and named by the early cultures. The divergence from its orbit would create crustal waves as well as magnified tides on earth and generally do nasty things.
The interesting thing here is that the chance this divergence would happen was merely a chance - not set in stone. But the period over which it was expected it could happen was 108 years.
Don't know if anyone else has come across this before; but, I thought some would find it intriguing.
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Post by leftylady on Jun 1, 2006 19:14:51 GMT -5
Thanks to Sara for the great researcher skills, for the Penelope, the 4-toed foot, and the Salon article contributions. Don't ever leave us, please, please!!
ETA - Oh, and did I forget? the great tie in for Desmond and David Hume, too!!
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Post by leftylady on Jun 1, 2006 19:22:21 GMT -5
See, I should have read ahead. I doubt I will ever get all the details straight in my head (and I agree with Pixi: there are no characters in whom I am invested) but the largest remaining question to me is: Is the whole E-M weirdness of the island a naturally occuring phenomenon which has simply attracted a huge spate of weirdos and psych experiments which are now running amuck; OR is the some sentient/spiritual/mystical beingness which inhabits the island also at work actually manipulating events, persons, etc? Short form: random with human fallout or truly mystical and aware? I'm going with both. The whole thing smacks of some sort of consciousness being behind it, but whether it's human or otherwise remains to be seen. I'm sure it involves Penelope's father, though. I think there's human attempts to control something that will turn out to have some sort of consciousness of its own. I'll go with both, too. As the saying goes: "Man proposes, God disposes."
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Post by leftylady on Jun 1, 2006 19:25:08 GMT -5
So do I. It was quick but memorable. Make that "me three". Very memorable.
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Post by leftylady on Jun 1, 2006 19:30:51 GMT -5
Penny was paying Portuguese persons... 1) It was like Spanish, only more liquidy, and did not sound like Italian: "m" in place of "n" and "r" in place of "l" 2) I cheated: I had the captioning on, and it said "(speaking Portuguese)" before they started talking. Portuguese persons in the snowy trackless wilderness? Huh. More unnecessary weirdness. It's all too weary-making. Portuguese in the wilderness: I thought that was very fitting. Vasco da Gama and Magellan pursuing the unknown. (Especially Magellan if we're talking out in the Pacific.)
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Post by leftylady on Jun 1, 2006 19:39:29 GMT -5
Above in red: Good Goddess, you're right. *Smacks self on the head* I was thinking so hard about Michael that I'd forgotten about Walt, a traumatized, unhappy young boy with anger management issues (takes after his dad?) and psychic powers who can kill you with his brain. I wouldn't want to deal with Walt in a tantrum. No wonder the Others wanted them gone. So... Maybe Michael and Walt really will escape the force field or alien influence or whatever of the island, get safely out to sea, and meet up with - Penelope's rescue/investigation party looking for Desmond? As the president said after watching the message from the Black Lectroids, it's certainly food for thought. I was thinking about Jack - I suspect he's of the cope-now-freak-later school, like me. Right now he's in cope mode, and holding everything together. He'll fall apart at some point, and possibly at the worst possible time, just for the dramatic effect on the story. Yes, I have a nasty suspicious mind. You're right, caring about people in pain is one of the things that makes Jack a good doctor. Anne, leaving now, in search of tea Eetah on the Mattew idea of the Others perhaps being rather glad to get rid of Walt. I mean, I was thinking they'd already done their experiments or whatever and so no longer had a need for him. But it is actually very very plausible (with what we know of Walt's history) that they might tell themselves that they were done and now (because they're not evil, oh no, they're the good guys) they should let him go with his father. And inside they're all going "eeep! get this kid out of here before he does some really serious damage!" ;D I picked these quotes as representative of my reaction. More than they bargained for and glad to get rid of Walt, indeed. I can't count the number of time I jotted in my notes as I read this thread: "The Ransom of Red Chief" . . . "The Ransom of Red Chief" . . . "The Ransom of Red Chief" LOLOL
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Post by Karen on Jun 1, 2006 20:23:10 GMT -5
Ran across something today that struck me as interesting as concerns this show. It was about the planet Mars. Apparently, all the ancient cultures were terrified of the planet mars for reasons that seem to indicate that the planet itself diverges from it's normal orbit close enough to Earth that it's moons could be seen and named by the early cultures. The divergence from its orbit would create crustal waves as well as magnified tides on earth and generally do nasty things. The interesting thing here is that the chance this divergence would happen was merely a chance - not set in stone. But the period over which it was expected it could happen was 108 years. Don't know if anyone else has come across this before; but, I thought some would find it intriguing. Oh! - I saw something about Mars in Wikipedia whilst following Kelvin links - didn't save it, tho. VERY interesting read and plausible that it has something to do with our mysterious island. There was so much stuff in the thermodynamics section that sounded familiar re Lost, too. I followed a link from Kelvin to Nikola Tesla whom he admired. That was a fun trip. Both were physicists and a little 'out there'. Too much to spit back out here and it might not mean anything. I love all these little clues/non-clues.
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Post by Matthew on Jun 2, 2006 13:27:19 GMT -5
Ran across something today that struck me as interesting as concerns this show. It was about the planet Mars. Apparently, all the ancient cultures were terrified of the planet mars for reasons that seem to indicate that the planet itself diverges from it's normal orbit close enough to Earth that it's moons could be seen and named by the early cultures. The divergence from its orbit would create crustal waves as well as magnified tides on earth and generally do nasty things. The interesting thing here is that the chance this divergence would happen was merely a chance - not set in stone. But the period over which it was expected it could happen was 108 years. Don't know if anyone else has come across this before; but, I thought some would find it intriguing. Oh! - I saw something about Mars in Wikipedia whilst following Kelvin links - didn't save it, tho. VERY interesting read and plausible that it has something to do with our mysterious island. There was so much stuff in the thermodynamics section that sounded familiar re Lost, too. I followed a link from Kelvin to Nikola Tesla whom he admired. That was a fun trip. Both were physicists and a little 'out there'. Too much to spit back out here and it might not mean anything. I love all these little clues/non-clues. I think I would wet myself with joy if it turned out that they were continuing Tesla's crack-monkey experiements. The man invented (I think) the MASER beam fifty years before anyone else even conceived of the idea... he's always been my favorite mad scientist. Really PISSED OFF scientist, too, because Edison gets all the credit for electrifying the country. His system? Sucked. And caused the deaths of many elephants, as Edison tried to prove Tesla's AC system was "too dangerous." Edison was a genius, but a real bastard. Tesla and Westinghouse, with the AC generator, however, WERE the ones who electrified the country. And Tesla magnanimously gave up his patent rights to the percentage of profit earned by the power produced, so that Westinghouse wouldn't crash and burn under the burden. And his freakmonkey experiments: remote power transmission, the flourescent bulb, superconductive levitation... odd little smoke monsters that flash images of the sins of your past at you... wait, that last bit might just be a bit of enthusiasm on my part. Not sure.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 2, 2006 17:52:40 GMT -5
Discussion of Our Mutual Friend and Connections with LostKind of vague, since it's been a while since this person read the book, but there hasn't been much discussion at all about the book ref so I guess take what you can get. I had no idea there was even such a book by Dickens before this episode.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 3, 2006 7:05:45 GMT -5
Oh, and how did none of us notice that Libby's husband just happened to have the same name as Hurley's imaginary friend? Including me, who was otherwise way into the name thing? *facepalms for the millionth time since realizing the connection* Makes you wonder if there was a David at all, or if perhaps Libby worked for Mr. Widmore... And help me if I'm wrong, but wasn't bearded guy called Tom? As in Christian Shephard's alias when with AL, not to mention Kate's first love? Ah, Hurley's imaginary friend, Dave. Another connection. On the subject of names, "Tom," the real name of the bearded guy, is also the name of the man that Kate "loved and killed." May or may not be any significance. Maybe some one on the writing staff just likes the name.
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Post by Maria on Jun 3, 2006 7:52:30 GMT -5
Ah, Hurley's imaginary friend, Dave. Another connection. On the subject of names, "Tom," the real name of the bearded guy, is also the name of the man that Kate "loved and killed." May or may not be any significance. Maybe some one on the writing staff just likes the name. I didn't really remember this, but I've been perusing Lostpedia when I'm bored, and they've also pointed out that Tom/Thomas/Tommy are also the names of: Aaron's father/Claire's ex Charlie's drug dealer The name Ana Lucia give Christian Shephard Of course, Thomas also means Twin. But I don't know where to go with any of that, lol.
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Post by leftylady on Jun 3, 2006 11:44:37 GMT -5
On the subject of names, "Tom," the real name of the bearded guy, is also the name of the man that Kate "loved and killed." May or may not be any significance. Maybe some one on the writing staff just likes the name. I didn't really remember this, but I've been perusing Lostpedia when I'm bored, and they've also pointed out that Tom/Thomas/Tommy are also the names of: Aaron's father/Claire's ex Charlie's drug dealer The name Ana Lucia give Christian Shephard Of course, Thomas also means Twin. But I don't know where to go with any of that, lol. Ooh... With the themes of scientific experimentation and viewer speculation on cloning, that is interesting. What is twinning but natural cloning?
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Post by Matthew on Jun 6, 2006 21:36:55 GMT -5
Hanso Foundation Advert on during The Practice:
web address of "retrieversoftruth.com" (as heard from the other room while I was making shishkabob). Will be checking it out later.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Jun 6, 2006 21:44:53 GMT -5
Hanso Foundation Advert on during The Practice: web address of "retrieversoftruth.com" (as heard from the other room while I was making shishkabob). Will be checking it out later. You heard it right. retrieversoftruth.com/I looked. I am very afraid...
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