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Post by Pixi on Oct 26, 2006 8:21:28 GMT -5
Oh boy, that guy playing the warden sure knows how to do scary. Every time I see that actor I always think of him in Predator, shaving his face without any cream or water (and I always think ouch, ouch, ouch). It was always such an intense, don't mess with me look and he's using it here too.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 26, 2006 8:26:04 GMT -5
Dear sweet heaven, I was sitting here cringing as they prepared to put that needle in... I'm only on the first page of responding to posts but I immediately thought it was a con. Maybe I've seen too many House episodes or read too many med rec reports for my paralegal job but no way they had installed a pacemaker. I thought right away it was a con.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 26, 2006 8:26:33 GMT -5
A friend I'm IMing with said her husband wondered if Sawyer and the warden aren't working the con together. I thought that too.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 26, 2006 8:28:25 GMT -5
I will never, ever, forgive Ben for what he did to that bunny. Never. Bunnies aren't as cute as everybody supposes. I mean, among other things, what do they need such good eyesight for, anyway? Awww - you're making me miss Anya.
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Post by Sara on Oct 26, 2006 8:32:41 GMT -5
He's reading "Of Mice and Men". Heeee! How fitting, with the whole bunny theme. And then there's the oh so perfect shot of the two of them walking down the corrider. ;D Yup. There's the con - make the mark think he's convincing you. Sawyer being cowed is what scares Kate. Kate being hurt is what scares Sawyer. She tells him she just said she loved him to get the guy to stop hitting him and breaks back into her cage. Well. They're all nicely jumping through the Others' hoops. "Danny can wait" to kill Sawyer, eh? Oh, yeah. This is a real democratic community alright. And Benry is not the boss of anyone. Benry wants Jack to sit with which "her"? The body, or Juliette? 'Cuz I don't think sitting with a body will bother him. "I don't care about making you feel better." Sometimes I really love Jack. <snipped> You know, I was thinking about that remark of his last night as I was trying to fall asleep. And the thing of it is... I don't think that's true. 'Cause if Jack really, truly didn't give a rat's ass about making Juliet feel better, then why say anything to her at all? Why not let the belief that if she'd gotten Jack there sooner then her friend would still be alive gnaw at Juliet for the rest of her days? Merely telling her Colleen was dead before she was even put on the table was, in and of itself, a statement with no other purpose than to make her feel better--whether Jack wants to admit it or not. Granted, he was only sharing the truth, but it was a comforting truth nonetheless. Or, put it this way: do you think Sawyer would have told Juliet her friend was beyond saving before Juliet even started trying to help her? Most likely not, because Sawyer would know the value of letting Juliet feel that guilt--it would most likely exacerbate Juliet's issues with Ben, as eventually she'd blame him for not bringing/allowing Jack in to help her to begin with. Which in turn would make her more sympathetic towards Jack. And so what if it meant Juliet was miserable and filled with self-hatred day in and day out? It's every man for himself, right? But Jack didn't--or couldn't--let her go on thinking she could have saved her friend, and hating herself for not doing so, when it wasn't true. He still has an innate sense of decency towards people, even when they've wronged him--to the point where, when Juliet asked him the $25,000 question, he again was honest with her when he could have easily used that moment to start winning her over to his side. And now I'm running on at the keyboard, so I think I'll stop right there.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 26, 2006 8:33:24 GMT -5
Funny that two of the characters on Lost were on Deadwood--the one who got shot, and the one who visited Sawyer in prison. Sawyer had them put the money in a bank in Albuquerque for his maybe daughter--wasn't that where Kate robbed a bank? Desmond has Powers--and now Charlie knows it. Guess Des will get a little more respect now. Especially if he keeps wearing that nifty blue shirt. I'm still mad they shot Trixie. You don't shoot Trixie. (Trixie is the character from Deadwood and this actress whose name I don't know right now will always be Trixie to me)
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Post by Pixi on Oct 26, 2006 8:36:07 GMT -5
He's reading "Of Mice and Men". Heeee! How fitting, with the whole bunny theme. And then there's the oh so perfect shot of the two of them walking down the corrider. ;D Yup. There's the con - make the mark think he's convincing you. Sawyer being cowed is what scares Kate. Kate being hurt is what scares Sawyer. She tells him she just said she loved him to get the guy to stop hitting him and breaks back into her cage. Well. They're all nicely jumping through the Others' hoops. "Danny can wait" to kill Sawyer, eh? Oh, yeah. This is a real democratic community alright. And Benry is not the boss of anyone. Benry wants Jack to sit with which "her"? The body, or Juliette? 'Cuz I don't think sitting with a body will bother him. "I don't care about making you feel better." Sometimes I really love Jack. I tell ya. The contrarian part of me? Would so resent every single mind game these guys are doing that they could never ever ever ever win them over to my side. I'm so dug in to my dislike of the Others that they could show them using all lab rat stuff to cure cancer and bring about world peace and I'd still dislike them. So there! ;D Whose x-rays indeed? "I just 'happen' to be a spinal surgeon." Is this a legitimate thing that Jack just figured out, or a new mind game? I lean toward legitimate, 'cuz I think that Juliette really wasn't supposed to bring Jack there. But I could be wrong about that. Because of the whole doubt thing. Ooooh - Desmond built a lightning rod to aim the bolt away from the baby's roof! Cool!! He's . . . hey! He's the professor! Now we really will get to see a coconut radio. So, Sawyer and the Warden were in on it, but for the Feds. And you can see Sawyer really resenting being "brought to heel" by them. So, I guess that's supposed to let us know that he will also try to lie and cheat his way out of the island prison? That perhaps he may appear to cooperate, but resents it? "Don't you read?" is a nicer insult than he knows, what with the whole "I don't want you in my book club " thing earlier. Of course, no real pacemaker. And all to enforce the control brought by never knowing what's real and what's not. And he thinks this will gain a con man's respect? Boy. I hope that's another lie, or Benry is waaaaaay dumber than I thought. You don't gain a con man's respect by conning him. You gain his hatred. You gain his respect by working with him on a con he wants to do. Oooh, that book insult did hit home (like the fist that, oddly, actually seemed to surprise Benry). 'Cuz he wouldn't have so deliberately and snottily quoted back at him if it hadn't stung. #rofl1# Okay it's official if there's a coconut phone, I want the castaways to put on a show. They did it on Gilligan's Island so . . . . .
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Post by Rachael on Oct 26, 2006 8:42:08 GMT -5
Nope, just sadistic. Doesn't really show any interest in hurting himself. Except for the part last season when he deliberately put himself in the position to be captured and subsequently tortured by the Losties and all for what? I doubt very much it was about torture for the fun of it, somehow. Data-gathering and manipulation, just like everything else they do.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 26, 2006 8:45:51 GMT -5
He's reading "Of Mice and Men". Heeee! How fitting, with the whole bunny theme. And then there's the oh so perfect shot of the two of them walking down the corrider. ;D Yup. There's the con - make the mark think he's convincing you. Sawyer being cowed is what scares Kate. Kate being hurt is what scares Sawyer. She tells him she just said she loved him to get the guy to stop hitting him and breaks back into her cage. Well. They're all nicely jumping through the Others' hoops. "Danny can wait" to kill Sawyer, eh? Oh, yeah. This is a real democratic community alright. And Benry is not the boss of anyone. Benry wants Jack to sit with which "her"? The body, or Juliette? 'Cuz I don't think sitting with a body will bother him. "I don't care about making you feel better." Sometimes I really love Jack. <snipped> You know, I was thinking about that remark of his last night as I was trying to fall asleep. And the thing of it is... I don't think that's true. 'Cause if Jack really, truly didn't give a rat's ass about making Juliet feel better, then why say anything to her at all? Why not let the belief that if she'd gotten Jack there sooner then her friend would still be alive gnaw at Juliet for the rest of her days? Merely telling her Colleen was dead before she was even put on the table was, in and of itself, a statement with no other purpose than to make her feel better--whether Jack wants to admit it or not. Granted, he was only sharing the truth, but it was a comforting truth nonetheless. Or, put it this way: do you think Sawyer would have told Juliet her friend was beyond saving before Juliet even started trying to help her? Most likely not, because Sawyer would know the value of letting Juliet feel that guilt--it would most likely exacerbate Juliet's issues with Ben, as eventually she'd blame him for not bringing/allowing Jack in to help her to begin with. Which in turn would make her more sympathetic towards Jack. And so what if it meant Juliet was miserable and filled with self-hatred day in and day out? It's every man for himself, right? But Jack didn't--or couldn't--let her go on thinking she could have saved her friend, and hating herself for not doing so, when it wasn't true. He still has an innate sense of decency towards people, even when they've wronged him--to the point where, when Juliet asked him the $25,000 question, he again was honest with her when he could have easily used that moment to start winning her over to his side. And now I'm running on at the keyboard, so I think I'll stop right there. All of this, though, assumes that Jack is always thinking of the manipulation game when he's talking to people (even people holding him captive) the way Sawyer is. He doesn't strike me as complex in that way - he probably just told the truth because it was the first thing that sprang to his mind.
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Post by Sara on Oct 26, 2006 8:50:51 GMT -5
All of this, though, assumes that Jack is always thinking of the manipulation game when he's talking to people (even people holding him captive) the way Sawyer is. He doesn't strike me as complex in that way - he probably just told the truth because it was the first thing that sprang to his mind. Yeah, I tend to agree. On the other hand, Ben implied he'd been sitting in there with the body for a while, so he had plenty of time to think about what he might want to say to Juliet when he next saw her.
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Post by Karen on Oct 26, 2006 9:15:16 GMT -5
A guy gets too lonely and he gets sick.Of Mice and Men Oh this is lovely, Karen!! Thanks!!javascript:add("%20:-/") Undecided You're welcome. I had a heck of a time figuring out the layers, and I've done it before. There are a couple of frames that aren't showing and the first 3 shuffle thru too quickly. Don't know why. Lots of pretty last night.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 26, 2006 9:17:33 GMT -5
All of this, though, assumes that Jack is always thinking of the manipulation game when he's talking to people (even people holding him captive) the way Sawyer is. He doesn't strike me as complex in that way - he probably just told the truth because it was the first thing that sprang to his mind. Yeah, I tend to agree. On the other hand, Ben implied he'd been sitting in there with the body for a while, so he had plenty of time to think about what he might want to say to Juliet when he next saw her. I think so, too. But I tend to think he'd maybe think of the nasty things to say. Though that may be my own preference, since I'm not falling for her blonde and doe-eyed thing. I thought that "I don't care" was a response to having forgotten not to say anything nice to her, but either way, I enjoyed the minismackdown. I don't care how she feels, either.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 26, 2006 11:43:50 GMT -5
He's reading "Of Mice and Men". Heeee! How fitting, with the whole bunny theme. And then there's the oh so perfect shot of the two of them walking down the corrider. ;D Yup. There's the con - make the mark think he's convincing you. Sawyer being cowed is what scares Kate. Kate being hurt is what scares Sawyer. She tells him she just said she loved him to get the guy to stop hitting him and breaks back into her cage. Well. They're all nicely jumping through the Others' hoops. "Danny can wait" to kill Sawyer, eh? Oh, yeah. This is a real democratic community alright. And Benry is not the boss of anyone. Benry wants Jack to sit with which "her"? The body, or Juliette? 'Cuz I don't think sitting with a body will bother him. "I don't care about making you feel better." Sometimes I really love Jack. <snipped> You know, I was thinking about that remark of his last night as I was trying to fall asleep. And the thing of it is... I don't think that's true. 'Cause if Jack really, truly didn't give a rat's ass about making Juliet feel better, then why say anything to her at all? Why not let the belief that if she'd gotten Jack there sooner then her friend would still be alive gnaw at Juliet for the rest of her days? Merely telling her Colleen was dead before she was even put on the table was, in and of itself, a statement with no other purpose than to make her feel better--whether Jack wants to admit it or not. Granted, he was only sharing the truth, but it was a comforting truth nonetheless. Or, put it this way: do you think Sawyer would have told Juliet her friend was beyond saving before Juliet even started trying to help her? Most likely not, because Sawyer would know the value of letting Juliet feel that guilt--it would most likely exacerbate Juliet's issues with Ben, as eventually she'd blame him for not bringing/allowing Jack in to help her to begin with. Which in turn would make her more sympathetic towards Jack. And so what if it meant Juliet was miserable and filled with self-hatred day in and day out? It's every man for himself, right? But Jack didn't--or couldn't--let her go on thinking she could have saved her friend, and hating herself for not doing so, when it wasn't true. He still has an innate sense of decency towards people, even when they've wronged him--to the point where, when Juliet asked him the $25,000 question, he again was honest with her when he could have easily used that moment to start winning her over to his side. And now I'm running on at the keyboard, so I think I'll stop right there. Yeah, I was wondering about that, myself: nearest I can figure is that, while Jack appeared to be trying to play the Machiavellian angle prior to this, he may have just said "screw it" and decided to be his straightforward, honest self. But that doesn't scan, either, with how Jack instinctively reacts to being put into a corner. OR carrying watermelons. When he's pushed, he pushes back, no matter who or what it is doing the pushing. So, dunno. Maybe he's playing a sympathy angle. I'd have chosen not to reveal that bit of information, myself, about her being "dead before she hit the table" particularly because, while she was bleeding, she had a regular heartbeat, and was shot in the abdomen, away from the aorta. IF he could have gotten to her before she had lost so much blood that her heart shut down... Eh. Dunno.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 26, 2006 12:05:15 GMT -5
He's reading "Of Mice and Men". Heeee! How fitting, with the whole bunny theme. And then there's the oh so perfect shot of the two of them walking down the corrider. ;D Yup. There's the con - make the mark think he's convincing you. Sawyer being cowed is what scares Kate. Kate being hurt is what scares Sawyer. She tells him she just said she loved him to get the guy to stop hitting him and breaks back into her cage. Well. They're all nicely jumping through the Others' hoops. "Danny can wait" to kill Sawyer, eh? Oh, yeah. This is a real democratic community alright. And Benry is not the boss of anyone. Benry wants Jack to sit with which "her"? The body, or Juliette? 'Cuz I don't think sitting with a body will bother him. "I don't care about making you feel better." Sometimes I really love Jack. <snipped> You know, I was thinking about that remark of his last night as I was trying to fall asleep. And the thing of it is... I don't think that's true. 'Cause if Jack really, truly didn't give a rat's ass about making Juliet feel better, then why say anything to her at all? Why not let the belief that if she'd gotten Jack there sooner then her friend would still be alive gnaw at Juliet for the rest of her days? Merely telling her Colleen was dead before she was even put on the table was, in and of itself, a statement with no other purpose than to make her feel better--whether Jack wants to admit it or not. Granted, he was only sharing the truth, but it was a comforting truth nonetheless. Or, put it this way: do you think Sawyer would have told Juliet her friend was beyond saving before Juliet even started trying to help her? Most likely not, because Sawyer would know the value of letting Juliet feel that guilt--it would most likely exacerbate Juliet's issues with Ben, as eventually she'd blame him for not bringing/allowing Jack in to help her to begin with. Which in turn would make her more sympathetic towards Jack. And so what if it meant Juliet was miserable and filled with self-hatred day in and day out? It's every man for himself, right? But Jack didn't--or couldn't--let her go on thinking she could have saved her friend, and hating herself for not doing so, when it wasn't true. He still has an innate sense of decency towards people, even when they've wronged him--to the point where, when Juliet asked him the $25,000 question, he again was honest with her when he could have easily used that moment to start winning her over to his side. And now I'm running on at the keyboard, so I think I'll stop right there. I agree with the innate decency, and caring about people, doesn't necessarily want to hurt Juliette emotionally (although if needed to hurt her physically to escape, he would, etc.). I guess I do think it's at least mostly true that he "didn't care about making her feel better" in the larger sense of how he is as a doctor. I mean that, as you said, he's always struck me as an honesty based doctor. That he would probably tell anyone the truth about medical things. What he told her about it not making a difference if they'd gotten him sooner was likely an instinctive honest answer about the medical situation. And then, to me, his little laugh is because he just found her question funny, considering their respective roles right now.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 26, 2006 12:09:15 GMT -5
He's reading "Of Mice and Men". Heeee! How fitting, with the whole bunny theme. And then there's the oh so perfect shot of the two of them walking down the corrider. ;D Yup. There's the con - make the mark think he's convincing you. Sawyer being cowed is what scares Kate. Kate being hurt is what scares Sawyer. She tells him she just said she loved him to get the guy to stop hitting him and breaks back into her cage. Well. They're all nicely jumping through the Others' hoops. "Danny can wait" to kill Sawyer, eh? Oh, yeah. This is a real democratic community alright. And Benry is not the boss of anyone. Benry wants Jack to sit with which "her"? The body, or Juliette? 'Cuz I don't think sitting with a body will bother him. "I don't care about making you feel better." Sometimes I really love Jack. I tell ya. The contrarian part of me? Would so resent every single mind game these guys are doing that they could never ever ever ever win them over to my side. I'm so dug in to my dislike of the Others that they could show them using all lab rat stuff to cure cancer and bring about world peace and I'd still dislike them. So there! ;D Whose x-rays indeed? "I just 'happen' to be a spinal surgeon." Is this a legitimate thing that Jack just figured out, or a new mind game? I lean toward legitimate, 'cuz I think that Juliette really wasn't supposed to bring Jack there. But I could be wrong about that. Because of the whole doubt thing. Ooooh - Desmond built a lightning rod to aim the bolt away from the baby's roof! Cool!! He's . . . hey! He's the professor! Now we really will get to see a coconut radio. So, Sawyer and the Warden were in on it, but for the Feds. And you can see Sawyer really resenting being "brought to heel" by them. So, I guess that's supposed to let us know that he will also try to lie and cheat his way out of the island prison? That perhaps he may appear to cooperate, but resents it? "Don't you read?" is a nicer insult than he knows, what with the whole "I don't want you in my book club " thing earlier. Of course, no real pacemaker. And all to enforce the control brought by never knowing what's real and what's not. And he thinks this will gain a con man's respect? Boy. I hope that's another lie, or Benry is waaaaaay dumber than I thought. You don't gain a con man's respect by conning him. You gain his hatred. You gain his respect by working with him on a con he wants to do. Oooh, that book insult did hit home (like the fist that, oddly, actually seemed to surprise Benry). 'Cuz he wouldn't have so deliberately and snottily quoted back at him if it hadn't stung. Okay it's official if there's a coconut phone, I want the castaways to put on a show. They did it on Gilligan's Island so . . . . . "Hamlet dear, your motive is clear, Avenging your father's (something something), You seek to harm, your uncle and mom, But you're scaring me to death." ;D Wish I could remember all the lyrics. Hamlet set to the music from Carmen. Perfection!
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