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Post by Lola m on Feb 21, 2007 23:43:30 GMT -5
Another day at the beach. Only now he scares the kiddies and the neighbors beat the crap out of him. They branded Juliette? Ouch! What a wierd thing to do, actually. And we have the obligatory "sexy" touching while tending to her back moment. Sawyer cut Karl loose and is all lying to Kate about why. 'Cuz he's a big old softy romantic. But she was more right. They should have hung on to the kid and gotten more info out of him. Of course, it's all just a cover for another argument/discussion of their relationship. Which, oddly enough, has Buffyverse elements as well, what with the "you only said it because you thought I/we were dying" thing. Sawyer or Jack. Jack or Sawyer. What do I have to do, slap you guys? Threesome, people! Look it up. Sheesh! So, the tat is "walks amonst us, but is not one of us" - in other words, sort of stranger in a strange land, but even more so. And then we have the musical montage of angsty couples. Scenes from next week! A mysterious cave! Vincent! A micro-bus! OMG, it's a Scooby Doo adventure.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 21, 2007 23:44:38 GMT -5
So Bai doesn't do decoration, but definition. She marks people, but only is allowed to mark *her* people, or there will be consequences. Ok. Now Juliet is to be 'marked', but her life is spared. As in 'scarlet letter' marking? Nicely put!
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Post by Lola m on Feb 21, 2007 23:46:22 GMT -5
Why do I have the feeling that they're setting Juliet up to be a hero, or someone with whom we are supposed to sympathize.
I've always found her repellent and totally untrustworthy...**nods** I totally don't like/trust Juliette. I understand the whole un-fun backstory for her and all, but still. Ewwww! [/color][/quote] I don't quite get it either. Maybe the EEVIL ink called to him . . .
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Post by Lola m on Feb 21, 2007 23:49:24 GMT -5
Achara's brother. So just the first line of tats, the ideograms, and they get him beaten all to snot. Why? What bizarre-ass sect do Achara and her brother and friends BELONG to?! Achara crying. "I heard you only liked them grilled" Middle of the back, an inverted cross with a st. andrew's cross over it. Anyone ever seen that one before? Not conspicoupos as marks of Cain go. This is what I'm sayin'. It's just . . . . odd and kind of pointless seeming, to me. Yeah, he's generally been one to treat her as an equal. OK, Alex and Karl was kind of sweet, I'll give you that. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Feb 21, 2007 23:50:01 GMT -5
I know!!!!!!! I've been missing the island mastermind.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 21, 2007 23:52:00 GMT -5
"He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us." Close. So, what did Jack mean by - "It's what they say, it's not what they mean."? 'Cause I got nothin'. I got nothin' either, except maybe a vague vibe that . . . that maybe what it meant is they knew he'd be pulled into the wierd island thing and they wanted nothing to do with it? Like, it sort of hinted at his odd, icky future? Or, maybe something totally other than that.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 21, 2007 23:55:06 GMT -5
"Aloof leader, always on the outside looking in, through his own choice" is how I get it. He serves humanity while remaining apart from it, in general. Aloof, insulated. Ah...I think you're right. He does have a god-complex, then. ETA: Or in other words, he has a Buffy-like superiority complex that he has inferiority complex about. and to both of you.
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Post by jeff on Feb 21, 2007 23:58:02 GMT -5
I really like Juliette's character, and I think sparks will fly between her and Jack.
oh and Bai Ling is freaking HOT!!!!!!
IF they dont live on that Island, it is interesting that they go back and forth to the other Island to work.
People that live around glass shouldnt throw stones, from his point of view, they have lost by my calculations, at least 6 of there people from the survivors of the plane crash. and while they have not been exactly honest, they have not actually killed anyone of the survivors have they? the kids are alive, cindy is alive, walt and michael were set free. Now I am not defending their actions, they have kidnapped and ran tests on people, held them against there will, but they have not killed anyone as far as I can remember, so I can sort of see his point about throwing rocks in glass houses.
I dont think we will see jack on the beach again too soon, I think he will actually get comfortable in his role as Doctor to the others, it is his calling and profession , and will give him a sense of being needed without having to be a leader.
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Post by Matthew on Feb 22, 2007 1:05:19 GMT -5
I really like Juliette's character, and I think sparks will fly between her and Jack. oh and Bai Ling is freaking HOT!!!!!! IF they dont live on that Island, it is interesting that they go back and forth to the other Island to work. People that live around glass shouldnt throw stones, from his point of view, they have lost by my calculations, at least 6 of there people from the survivors of the plane crash. and while they have not been exactly honest, they have not actually killed anyone of the survivors have they? the kids are alive, cindy is alive, walt and michael were set free. Now I am not defending their actions, they have kidnapped and ran tests on people, held them against there will, but they have not killed anyone as far as I can remember, so I can sort of see his point about throwing rocks in glass houses. I dont think we will see jack on the beach again too soon, I think he will actually get comfortable in his role as Doctor to the others, it is his calling and profession , and will give him a sense of being needed without having to be a leader. Ethan dang-near killed Charlie, came close to killing Jack, but he got distracted, and DID kill one of the "extra" lostaways, after breaking all the bones in his hand. Mr. Friendly (Tom) tried to kill Michael, Jin, and Sawyer, and kidnapped Walt. That they all three survived is a miracle. The guy Juliet shot was bound and determined to shoot Sawyer for a shooting he did not do. Benry's tribe is a bunch of whack-a-loon shrinks playing with very scary skinner boxes, and without all 52 cards. Benry's group and lieutenants toss stones wherever and whenever they feel like it: Tom has no feet to stand on: four-toed or otherwise.
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Post by RAKSHA on Feb 22, 2007 1:44:21 GMT -5
Not to mention that the Others kidnapped Claire, kept her captive, drugged her, and apparently planned to kill her and keep her baby. And what about taking Rousseau's child and never bringing it back to the poor woman?
I can see why the Others always claim the moral high ground; it's easier than saying 'We'll do anything to get our way, manipulate, hurt people young and old, kidnap, murder, and brainwash'.
The high-level Nazis, and probably some low-level ones too, also took the moral high ground, cloaked their evil with murky platitudes.
GAIL
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Post by Rob on Feb 22, 2007 7:54:44 GMT -5
There are times when I think this show asks too much of me. I can't begin to remember every character and every reference, especially if some of these are over a year old. Maybe...MAYBE I could do a better job keeping up with everything if I watched in dvd form, so things play out a little faster. Aside from that, the puzzle is just too wide in scope...and when they DO provide an answer or two, things tend to be colored with ambiguity.
I'm still pretty much committed to the ride. I'm not going anywhere. I just wish I was smart enough to understand whatever the show is trying to teach me.
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Post by Rachael on Feb 22, 2007 9:29:36 GMT -5
*sigh*
Still clearly a mind game. Because they wouldn't march you past Juliette unless it was a mind game.
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Post by Sara on Feb 22, 2007 9:46:03 GMT -5
I know!!!!!!! I've been missing the island mastermind. Interesting thing. I watched the behind-the-scenes piece on the season 2 DVD of last year's finale, and in that footage you see Vincent jump on the boat with Michael and Walt. This puzzled me, so I went back to check what aired—no Vincent. Not only that, but all of the angles used were ones that only showed Michael and Walt from about the waist up, even those shots I knew Vincent had been in. So I'm thinking somewhere along the line they decided they wanted to keep Vincent on the island, and thus used footage where the dog was out of the frame.
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Post by Sara on Feb 22, 2007 10:33:11 GMT -5
From Genesis 4:
8And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
10And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
12When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
13And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. (emphasis mine)
Given Alex's earlier allusion to "an eye for an eye," it wouldn't surprise me if this is where the idea of marking Juliet came from, at least in part.
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Post by jeff on Feb 22, 2007 15:43:41 GMT -5
I really like Juliette's character, and I think sparks will fly between her and Jack. oh and Bai Ling is freaking HOT!!!!!! IF they dont live on that Island, it is interesting that they go back and forth to the other Island to work. People that live around glass shouldnt throw stones, from his point of view, they have lost by my calculations, at least 6 of there people from the survivors of the plane crash. and while they have not been exactly honest, they have not actually killed anyone of the survivors have they? the kids are alive, cindy is alive, walt and michael were set free. Now I am not defending their actions, they have kidnapped and ran tests on people, held them against there will, but they have not killed anyone as far as I can remember, so I can sort of see his point about throwing rocks in glass houses. I dont think we will see jack on the beach again too soon, I think he will actually get comfortable in his role as Doctor to the others, it is his calling and profession , and will give him a sense of being needed without having to be a leader. Ethan dang-near killed Charlie, came close to killing Jack, but he got distracted, and DID kill one of the "extra" lostaways, after breaking all the bones in his hand. Mr. Friendly (Tom) tried to kill Michael, Jin, and Sawyer, and kidnapped Walt. That they all three survived is a miracle. The guy Juliet shot was bound and determined to shoot Sawyer for a shooting he did not do. Benry's tribe is a bunch of whack-a-loon shrinks playing with very scary skinner boxes, and without all 52 cards. Benry's group and lieutenants toss stones wherever and whenever they feel like it: Tom has no feet to stand on: four-toed or otherwise. forgot about the killing of the extra, I am not at all saying that the others are justified in there actions. I am just saying that I dont think they are all bad people. Ethan yes a wack-job. and the dude that was going to kill sawyer was just as nuts, he did lose his wife, and they do have the eye for an eye policy. LOL but everytime there seems to be a kid involved, Claires baby, Walt, the 2 kids from the tailies. seeing Cindy really causes me to stop and think. she said they were "Watching." what and why are my questions to that statement. All I can say is the kids seem to be fine , cindy seems to be fine and they are not living on a beach in a hut, or in caves. They have new clothes , housing, food, and a job of "watching something." so who is in a worse situation? So are the ones that the others kidnapped better off than the rest of the survivors? Would claire and the baby be better off if they were with the others? those are the questions I want answered
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