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Post by RAKSHA on Feb 22, 2007 16:03:59 GMT -5
Ethan dang-near killed Charlie, came close to killing Jack, but he got distracted, and DID kill one of the "extra" lostaways, after breaking all the bones in his hand. Mr. Friendly (Tom) tried to kill Michael, Jin, and Sawyer, and kidnapped Walt. That they all three survived is a miracle. The guy Juliet shot was bound and determined to shoot Sawyer for a shooting he did not do. Benry's tribe is a bunch of whack-a-loon shrinks playing with very scary skinner boxes, and without all 52 cards. Benry's group and lieutenants toss stones wherever and whenever they feel like it: Tom has no feet to stand on: four-toed or otherwise. forgot about the killing of the extra, I am not at all saying that the others are justified in there actions. I am just saying that I dont think they are all bad people. Ethan yes a wack-job. and the dude that was going to kill sawyer was just as nuts, he did lose his wife, and they do have the eye for an eye policy. LOL but everytime there seems to be a kid involved, Claires baby, Walt, the 2 kids from the tailies. seeing Cindy really causes me to stop and think. she said they were "Watching." what and why are my questions to that statement. All I can say is the kids seem to be fine , cindy seems to be fine and they are not living on a beach in a hut, or in caves. They have new clothes , housing, food, and a job of "watching something." so who is in a worse situation? So are the ones that the others kidnapped better off than the rest of the survivors? Would claire and the baby be better off if they were with the others? those are the questions I want answered
Not every Other is pure evil; Alex and Carl seem to have good qualities; and the jury is out on Cindy (she might have been brainwashed), but the Others have done terrible things; and I don't just mean Ethan's killing of Charlie.
As for the children, well, they're living in houses rather than beach huts, yes. And when some of them start to question the Others' values, they'll be subjected to sensory deprivation - would the Lostaways do that? Also, the Others would teach the children that the ends justify all means and that it doesn't matter because they're the good guys, or some such crap.
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Post by jeff on Feb 22, 2007 18:40:51 GMT -5
dont get me wrong, LOL, I am not defending them, I just feel that there is more to them than meets the eye, and that they will turn out to not be the bad guys, I said this a long time ago, so I am trying to stick with my first predection, even though at times it is difficult to do  |
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Post by KMInfinity on Feb 22, 2007 19:54:30 GMT -5
I must say, I wasn't very happy with this episode. First, not a big Jack fan. Second, after last week's magical mystery tour de force, this seemed like being pulled back into murky and mundane evil. I am just tired of The Others.
Spoiler alert for those who haven't read Heinlein's SIASL:
The main character, Valentine Michael Smith, was a human raised among Martians. He returns "home" to Earth, but feels Martians are his people, and is a "stranger" is what is supposedly his homeland. He literally sees humans as the aliens. He develops a messianic following, and dies, partly complicit in his own death as a martyr. I can see Jack-like connections aplenty.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2007 21:43:24 GMT -5
Teaser
Captain Bunny Killer.
He's been brainwashed all right.
Jack's on his own.
Still not answering questions, I see.
Ah, like Strawberry's warren (in Watership Down).
Go Jack! Tell off the Others!
Tom's not happy about those accusations.
Glass house, stones. But, but, The Others started it!
Prisoner exchange.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2007 21:52:08 GMT -5
Part I
On another beach.
Dr. Jack. So he's been here a while. Doing what?
Let's go fly a kite.
What does this have to do with anything?
Achara
Now he's in the bear cage. Wonder how long it's going to take for him to figure out the good button.
Oh, he gets a sandwich. Sawyer didn't get a sandwich.
The Sheriff.
Seriously, circumnavigate the island in a boat.
Don't live on that island, just work on projects on the island. What a commute.
The kids have a better life. Hm.
The Teddy Bear.
The kids are living in the mini-suburb?
So what are you going to do Jack?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2007 21:57:40 GMT -5
Part II
Her brother likes him, likes him?
Cuts off his daddy angst. Hee.
Phuket.
She has a gift. OK.
What the hell is up with the tattoos?
Lost in translation.
Isabel. Have we heard of her before?
Is this the first time Jack's seen Alex?
Jack covers for Juliet.
This is one scary bitch.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2007 22:06:54 GMT -5
Part III
So he slept with her?
Jack is lost.
He's been here a month.
So The Others are like Phuket?
WHOA!!!
Cindy knows Jack's name.
It's not that simple. WE KNOW!!!!
We're here to watch. Kinky!!!
CrazyAngryJack. Me likey.
I'm amazed how good Kate's dress looks after all this.
Karl's gone and he took the boat? Oh, no.
Boys only. This is going to go well.
Hee.
They never showed him The Brady Bunch. Horrors!
Now Alex is mad at Jack.
Of all the questions to ask, Jack.
So they're an evil commune.
Jack has a plan, but I have no idea what it is.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2007 22:15:42 GMT -5
Part IV
Yikes, that looks bad.
I'd be must more impressed with you people if you had a good surgeon.
We had an excellent surgeon, Jack. His name was Ethan.
OOOH!!!!! BURN!!!!!
Jack's bedside manner again. Hee.
Here we go again.
Hmm... Ben didn't know about the tribunal.
She's one of us. So Jack is staying until he can take Juliet with him? Eh?
She's able to see who people are?
It's not decoration; it's definition.
And she marks them.
So tell me who I am. If you have to ask the question...
You are an outsider.
A leader, a great man. makes him lonely and frightened and angry.
Jack is really fucked up.
Consequences.
Rules don't apply.
Now she's marked. OK. Will she have to wear a scarlet letter?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2007 22:25:48 GMT -5
Coda.
Now Jack's ready to go back home.
And the kid runs away. Because Jack's marked, and the kid knows that without ever seeing the tattoo.
Now a gang beating. WTF?
Yikes! But what does it mean for her?
So there's some flirtiness going on.
Jack wants to make sure Juliet gets back home.
Ben calls it home.
So Kate hasn't really made her "choice" yet. Sigh.
He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us.
In the world but of it.
It's what they say, but it's not what they mean.
They have a cruise ship! Oh, no it's just the fishing boat. I thought Michael and Walt took it?
So Jack's going to live in the 'burbs with Henry?
This is really pretty montage.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2007 22:29:00 GMT -5
Again, the negative buzz deceives me. I'm totally fucking confused about the tattoos and flashbacks, and in general, but I really liked the episode. And things did move forward, if only slightly.
And I don't really feel that Bai Ling is as bad as everyone says. She's not a great actress, but she's got a real exotic beauty and seems to handle well the parts I've seen her in.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2007 22:31:15 GMT -5
"Show me the way to go home....." With an outrigger, they can circumnavigate the island. Cool! Kate, you can't go back! "God loves you as he loved Jacob" Having just read that portion of the bible? That would really really suck. Just sayin'."Glass houses" Who are they to talk about that crap? And Juliet is imprisoned. Even better? Juliet's sister was named Rachel, which was also the name of Jacob's wife. Oh! |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2007 22:32:38 GMT -5
One of the two-to-four, depending on your viewpoint. And the crap he had to go through to GET Rachel in the first place! Oi! It didn't involve poodles, did it?  Eh? |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2007 22:35:03 GMT -5
Giving the kids a "better life". Against their wills of course, but then I'm sure they're convinced they're doing the right thing.  Well, I'd say living in a house with all the amenities probably is a better life than living in a tent on the beach. Except for being abducted thing. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2007 22:41:07 GMT -5
Looks like her tattoo method was something akin to this. It's interesting, because I was just watching the episode of Carnivale with the tattooing last week, and they used the same method. Also very symbolic tattooing. |
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Post by Matthew on Feb 23, 2007 22:48:30 GMT -5
Again, the negative buzz deceives me. I was never really wondering about Jack's tattoos and I'm totally fucking confused about the flashbacks, and in general, but I really liked the episode. And things did move forward, if only slightly. And I don't really feel that Bai Ling is as bad as everyone says. She's not a great actress, but she's got a real exotic beauty and seems to handle well the parts I've seen her in. She is indeed exotic and beautiful, and not all that hideous an actress: she handled her role quite well, I thought. I mock her only because she dresses herself with the demure fashion sense of a toddler on hallucinogens. See Go Fug Yourself, under the sub-heading "Bai Ling" for entertaining evidence of this. And I REALLY want to see a timeline of Jack's life, and what led him to live as a beach bum in a hut in a Thai resort city(yeah, I'm confused, too). |
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