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Post by Lola m on Mar 23, 2007 12:20:13 GMT -5
Hi, everyone, delurking here. I'm a faithful lurker. I like to come read all of the discussions that y'all have about my favorite shows even if I don't post often. I just had a revelation about a possible connection and I thought that I would come share it. Please, excuse me if this as all ready been mentioned in an earlier thread. So, am I right that this was the first time that it was revealed that Locke's dad was a "professional" con-artist (and the deal with Lock wasn't just a one time thing)? Cause, thinking of him made me think of the only other "professional" con-man in our group, Sawyer. So I suddenly realized (and I'm fairly certain) that we, and presumably Sawyer, never found out who the original "Sawyer" who conned his mom and led to so much tragedy was. What if Locke's dad was the original con-man? Do you think the recent revelation of shared-daddy connections between Claire and Jack make a similar connection between Sawyer and Lock more or less likely? ok, going back to lurking now. Hey, delurk more often, 'cuz this is a really really cool idea. It would definitely fit with the interconnections between people, wouldn't it?
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Post by Lola m on Mar 23, 2007 12:22:04 GMT -5
Mmmmmmm. Magic box could make us alllll happy. Oh yeah. Wait. What were we talking about again? ;D ;D And that's just one smutty connotation of the phrase "magic box".
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Post by Lola m on Mar 23, 2007 12:24:19 GMT -5
One answer. Another whole boatload of questions. On the other hand, Locke has gone completely off the deep end and there's no telling what he'll do next. That should be interesting. I did, however, appreciate the look on Danielle's face when she saw her baby. That was lovely, and beautifully played. Still giving it until the end of this season. After that, We Shall See. The scene with Danielle was just perfectly done. And as others have commented, the casting of both roles is proving to be spot on. Both from an acting perspective and also in "look" - I can see them as mother and daughter.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 23, 2007 15:44:19 GMT -5
Teaser Job interview? Ah, disability insurance. For the stealing of the kidney? Guess so. Sayid, Kate, Rousseau, and Locke have their own agendas here, don't they? I trust Sayid's the most. Ben in a wheel chair. This is going to be more complicated than we thought. dun Dun DUN!!!!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 23, 2007 15:52:10 GMT -5
Part I
Question of whether Jack has turned.
Locke and his sad, sad tv dinner.
Is Locke's dad not really his dad?
And Locke covers up for him? Man, oh man.
nice little tom beat going there.
Jack plays the piano? Is there anything he can't do?
So Jack's on a trial period then.
Locke wants the submarine.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 23, 2007 16:06:16 GMT -5
Part II
Wow, Alex really looks like Rousseau there.
Locke takes credit for killing Mikail?
Last names for everyone except Juliet?
What's going to happen to Jack and Juliet tomorrow?
The Man From Tallahassee. Apparently he doesn't have a first or last name.
Ben has a damaged kidney. Kidneys again.
Yeah, Ben is holding all the cards, Locke, not you. Would be best to remember that.
Ben is the Walking Lostpedia!
Did it hurt?
Locke's back broke. Hmm.
Tom is helping Jack?
The Others didn't hurt anybody. Peachy!
The abductees are safe. Are they here in this complex?
Jack has caught the "don't answer any questions" bug. Dammit!
The Others are going to let Jack go. But he won't be able to find the island again because of the sky turning purple thing. The Others didn't tell him that.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 23, 2007 16:18:52 GMT -5
Part III
Protecting Peter Talbot too.
Peter Talbots dead.
Ben doesn't know how Locke was able to walk again. And he really, really wants to know. Interesting.
Conditions on the island *that day* caused Locke's miraculous recovery (the surge or whatever from the hatch magnet).
How did get Ben get sick in the first place?
The Other's don't want Alex to know about Rousseau.
Two giant hamster on wheels in their secret underground lair. Hee!!
Most of The Others were brought here, except Ben. Interesting.
The sub maintains that illusion.
Making the commitment. Ben's got a pretty tenuous grasp over the others. But Locke's devotion appeals to him.
So there's an imagination box. Hence all the horses, black smoke, dead brothers, etc.
Locke doesn't bite.
Locke thinks The Others are cheating.
What makes you think you know this island better than I do. Because, you're in a wheel chair, and I'm not. BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe Locke isn't full of it after all. He really has Ben thrown.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 23, 2007 16:26:15 GMT -5
Part IV
Ben reveals all. Locke doesn't believe him.
Ben's manipulative yes, but I really think he's worried this time.
OMG, Rousseau kills me the way she's looking at Alex.
Ben's not really going to let them go. There's a definite persona when he's being manipulative and the like. Means that what he was saying before to Locke was the truth.
Lots and lots of pictures of Alex in Ben's house. Does he really care for her like a daughter?
Was The Other's purpose for kidnapping Jack was for him to leave the island completely? And divide the Losties?
There goes the submarine. Their last, best hope for peace getting off the island.
Those are huge drinking glasses.
YIKES!!!! So that's how it happened. And some really obvious CGI.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 23, 2007 16:33:37 GMT -5
Coda
Damn, he looks terrible.
The dreaded wheelchair
I don't want to hear about what you can't do.
Richard.
No, sir.
Killing Jack would be cheating.
So is Locke right? That Ben wanted him to blow up the submarine to prevent Jack from leaving?
Locke wants to stay on the island to hide from his dad. I guess I'll buy that.
You have some kind of communion with this island, and that makes you very, very important. You have no idea what you're talking about, of course, but in time, you'll have a better understanding of things.
Room 101. The worst thing in the world?
And there his dad is anyway.
When Locke says, "dad?" makes me think of Syd saying "mom?" on Alias.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 23, 2007 16:52:10 GMT -5
So this imagination box, when it conjures up someone, like Locke's dad, does it yank said person or thing from wherever it was before, or does it create a copy?
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 23, 2007 19:56:36 GMT -5
So this imagination box, when it conjures up someone, like Locke's dad, does it yank said person or thing from wherever it was before, or does it create a copy? I tested out my new DVR for its first real "long, scheduled recording" test, by having it record this ep - and lo and behold - it did it right! YAY!! I was glad I recorded it as I enjoy Locke backstory - I'm not sure why, I dislike most of the other backstory - always makes me fidgity. ON THE IMAGINATION BOX: I don't know what was intended, but I did not take this literally. I mean, I did not think Ben meant that there was a literal box on the island, that you could wish things into. I thought he was commenting on the island's sort of . . . enhanced . . . ability to let . . . reality bend to desire, so to speak. The island has always struck me as a place that is just like the real world, except that things are somewhat more literal, when it comes to the way you "wish it on yourself," through the power of positive/negative thinking. So having said all that, I think there is a "logical, real world explanation" to how John's dad got there . . . (e.g., he was in a boating accident or something) but the implication is that underneath that real world explanation, is the power of John's thoughts. Though I gotta say this about that: I can hardly believe John wanted his dad there. I would think that Dad on the island is the LAST thing John wants. Though maybe we are to believe that deep in his subconscious, it is what he wants? Or is Ben playing games with him - in other words, it is what Ben wanted, and he's trying to get John to believe it is what John wanted (as he did with the sub blow-up, as Alex said about him).
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 25, 2007 15:05:00 GMT -5
So this imagination box, when it conjures up someone, like Locke's dad, does it yank said person or thing from wherever it was before, or does it create a copy? I tested out my new DVR for its first real "long, scheduled recording" test, by having it record this ep - and lo and behold - it did it right! YAY!! I was glad I recorded it as I enjoy Locke backstory - I'm not sure why, I dislike most of the other backstory - always makes me fidgity. ON THE IMAGINATION BOX: I don't know what was intended, but I did not take this literally. I mean, I did not think Ben meant that there was a literal box on the island, that you could wish things into. I thought he was commenting on the island's sort of . . . enhanced . . . ability to let . . . reality bend to desire, so to speak. The island has always struck me as a place that is just like the real world, except that things are somewhat more literal, when it comes to the way you "wish it on yourself," through the power of positive/negative thinking. So having said all that, I think there is a "logical, real world explanation" to how John's dad got there . . . (e.g., he was in a boating accident or something) but the implication is that underneath that real world explanation, is the power of John's thoughts. Though I gotta say this about that: I can hardly believe John wanted his dad there. I would think that Dad on the island is the LAST thing John wants. Though maybe we are to believe that deep in his subconscious, it is what he wants? Or is Ben playing games with him - in other words, it is what Ben wanted, and he's trying to get John to believe it is what John wanted (as he did with the sub blow-up, as Alex said about him). Yay for the DVR!! I didn't think Ben meant there was literally a magic box; I figured he was talking about something on the island conjuring up various apparitions. If that's the case, I'm thinking it's not so much "whatever you want" as much as "whatever's on your mind." I think Locke's dad would qualify in that case. At any rate, I'll believe this magical box theory when I see it. And it may very well be Locke's actual dad in the flesh.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 25, 2007 19:57:53 GMT -5
Part II Wow, Alex really looks like Rousseau there. She really did, didn't she? Excellent job of casting. He does a nice job of being unspecific enough to create that impression, eh? Ah, very good point! He likely thinks he could have left and then somehow organized help to come rescue people once he was off the island.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 25, 2007 20:03:06 GMT -5
Part III Protecting Peter Talbot too. Peter Talbots dead. Ben doesn't know how Locke was able to walk again. And he really, really wants to know. Interesting. Conditions on the island *that day* caused Locke's miraculous recovery (the surge or whatever from the hatch magnet). Very intriguing thought. Locke is certainly gonna keep trying to make Ben think he has the answers. But I can't decide if that is really a smart idea. Ben is such a . . . "take you apart to find out how you tick" kind of guy. If nothing else that Benry said it true, I think this is. Because we've seen some evidence of factions within the Others. And my guess is that it is the Island's magic box, not the Other's magic box. Benry would sooo like to believe he knows all about it, controls it, etc. But I think it is likely he doesn't. Such a burn! One of the few times we've seen someone really push Benry's buttons. 'Course, Locke's favorite thing to do is push buttons. I think we're gonna keep seeing them push at each other's issues.
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 27, 2007 18:31:12 GMT -5
I tested out my new DVR for its first real "long, scheduled recording" test, by having it record this ep - and lo and behold - it did it right! YAY!! I was glad I recorded it as I enjoy Locke backstory - I'm not sure why, I dislike most of the other backstory - always makes me fidgity. ON THE IMAGINATION BOX: I don't know what was intended, but I did not take this literally. I mean, I did not think Ben meant that there was a literal box on the island, that you could wish things into. I thought he was commenting on the island's sort of . . . enhanced . . . ability to let . . . reality bend to desire, so to speak. The island has always struck me as a place that is just like the real world, except that things are somewhat more literal, when it comes to the way you "wish it on yourself," through the power of positive/negative thinking. So having said all that, I think there is a "logical, real world explanation" to how John's dad got there . . . (e.g., he was in a boating accident or something) but the implication is that underneath that real world explanation, is the power of John's thoughts. Though I gotta say this about that: I can hardly believe John wanted his dad there. I would think that Dad on the island is the LAST thing John wants. Though maybe we are to believe that deep in his subconscious, it is what he wants? Or is Ben playing games with him - in other words, it is what Ben wanted, and he's trying to get John to believe it is what John wanted (as he did with the sub blow-up, as Alex said about him). Yay for the DVR!! I didn't think Ben meant there was literally a magic box; I figured he was talking about something on the island conjuring up various apparitions. If that's the case, I'm thinking it's not so much "whatever you want" as much as "whatever's on your mind." I think Locke's dad would qualify in that case. At any rate, I'll believe this magical box theory when I see it. What I meant was that I don't think Ben was referring to anything (box, or otherwise) that actually conjured anything up - be it visions or tangible things, be it "the real thing" or "a copy." I thought he was speaking much more metaphorically, and I don't think there's a chance the man in the chair is anything other than what he appears to be: Locke's actual dad, in the flesh (IMO, so of course there is, in actually a chance, but in my mind, I have totally discarded it).
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