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Post by Sue on Feb 9, 2005 17:04:13 GMT -5
Allie said she knew. My vote will be tainted since I am now officially spoiled for at least that part of this episode. |
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Post by Pixi on Feb 9, 2005 17:04:29 GMT -5
Yes - but "Free At Last" could just as easily be a suicide note as a "I'm not really dead" note. Logan isn't going to believe Mom is dead, not without a body. But I'm not sure what we (the viewers) are supposed to believe. I'd be kind of disappointed if she was still alive. Very soap opera-y. In "real life" the circumstances we saw would usually mean the person had jumped and was dead. Every once in a blue moon, it means someone has faked their death. But - what advantage would faking her death bring Lynn? I mean, what advantage over just moving out and filing for divorce? I agree Spring. I was thinking the same thing last night. She's alive - how very soap opera of them. But I do like the fact that they are using it to bring Logan and Veronica together. I must admit - I didn't buy Lynn's I can't take it scene in Clash. Maybe I was too focused on the greatness that was going on between Logan and Daddy but at the time I thought - she has something else to do and is just using this as an excuse to leave. So I guess I don't really think she jumped because she didn't seem that desparate to me but if she didn't jump, it is terribly cliche. But if anyone can do cliche and do it well - its this show. |
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Post by Sue on Feb 9, 2005 17:05:17 GMT -5
Hey,
Did I ever notice before?
Spring and I have stakes on this thread!
"Williams' Minion"
Cool.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 9, 2005 17:09:56 GMT -5
I agree Spring. I was thinking the same thing last night. She's alive - how very soap opera of them. But I do like the fact that they are using it to bring Logan and Veronica together. I must admit - I didn't buy Lynn's I can't take it scene in Clash. Maybe I was too focused on the greatness that was going on between Logan and Daddy but at the time I thought - she has something else to do and is just using this as an excuse to leave. So I guess I don't really think she jumped because she didn't seem that desparate to me but if she didn't jump, it is terribly cliche. But if anyone can do cliche and do it well - its this show. But - what would be Lynn's motive for faking her own death? Why wouldn't she just move out and file for divorce? Or just move out and not file for divorce? What purpose is served by faking her death? Either there is something big going on here that we are not yet privy to (that would explain her motives) or she jumped. I hope - because anything else would be so very, very lame. It would be like she faked her death just because it made for a "better story" when the character is given no real motivation. My best guess is that she jumped and is dead. But who knows. |
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Post by Sue on Feb 9, 2005 17:18:24 GMT -5
But - what would be Lynn's motive for faking her own death? Why wouldn't she just move out and file for divorce? Or just move out and not file for divorce? What purpose is served by faking her death? Either there is something big going on here that we are not yet privy to (that would explain her motives) or she jumped. I hope - because anything else would be so very, very lame. It would be like she faked her death just because it made for a "better story" when the character is given no real motivation. My best guess is that she jumped and is dead. But who knows. Or has washed up on an exotic and isolated island with no memory. Where she falls in love with and marries a handsome and exotic island man, only to return to Neptune 10 years from now when Logan needs an emergency kidney transplant to discover she is a perfect match....... Oh, I got carried away. Well--she was on Days of Our Lives for years! ;D |
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2005 18:04:05 GMT -5
Good point - he does match in body type. And hey - thanks for responding. I truly do enjoy the Soulful Spike Society but occasionally I get the feeling I'm just posting into the wind and if you're not part of the club . . . . . But only occasionally! When that happens I usually just let the work demons suck me away. It's easy to have a post or two get lost sometimes (although less so on these episode threads where the pace is not so fast).  Mostly, though, I just figure that not all my posts necessarily spark a specific reply in people. I know I don't reply to everything that is posted by everyone, even when I am interested and reading along. Sometimes I just have nothing else to add or comment. Probably just nodding along as I read. Lola |
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2005 18:05:18 GMT -5
Yes, it is me, and I just sent it in a little while ago. It was kinda fun. I agree "huge clues" all over this one - I think it relates back to what Veronica said about how she could tell Gabrielle, Yolanda's friend, was lying. If you know what to look for, and you look closely, people give themselves away. Oooooh, I'd forgotten that line!! Good catch!! |
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2005 18:08:24 GMT -5
I've only watched half of the episode. It's SOOOOOO good. That Logan - who's the actor? Amazing acting. I need more hours in the day. I'll be back to read everyone's thoughts when I get cloned, or have a few minutes to spare, whichever comes first. I know! It's just not fair that I actually have to come to a workplace and do stuff. **pouts** I think someone should just pay me to watch my favorite shows and comment on them. Is that so much to ask? ;D  Lola **sigh** I jest above, but sometimes I really wish that were true. Wouldn't it be nice to not have to make money? |
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2005 18:09:23 GMT -5
Hey, Did I ever notice before? Spring and I have stakes on this thread! "Williams' Minion" Cool. Well, I think you're always cool, Sue.  Lola (Minioning like mad myself here. ;D ) |
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Post by Pixi on Feb 10, 2005 13:44:09 GMT -5
I know! It's just not fair that I actually have to come to a workplace and do stuff. **pouts** I think someone should just pay me to watch my favorite shows and comment on them. Is that so much to ask? ;D Lola **sigh** I jest above, but sometimes I really wish that were true. Wouldn't it be nice to not have to make money? Sounds like a plan to me. Spring - I just finished reading your review and it was wonderful as always. (as I drink from my bottle of water). I love the way you sort through the various themes of an episode and then find so much evidence to back it up. Daddy didn't learn anything did he? It seemed like he might have a Lifetime movie of the week moment there but ultimately he kept his precious. Do you think Yolanda learned anything? What about little brother? Yolanda continued being a little "sneaky" - running away to get married, kissing Logan - or being kissed by Logan when no one was around. Little brother continued his projects/experiments only using humans instead of a display board. But Logan - is he learning anything? He seems to be on this voyage that has now led him back to Veronica's side. I almost want to know more about Logan's character and where it's going than to find out who killed Lilly. Again - really, really enjoyed the review Spring. |
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 10, 2005 14:25:52 GMT -5
Sounds like a plan to me. Spring - I just finished reading your review and it was wonderful as always. (as I drink from my bottle of water). I love the way you sort through the various themes of an episode and then find so much evidence to back it up. Daddy didn't learn anything did he? It seemed like he might have a Lifetime movie of the week moment there but ultimately he kept his precious. Do you think Yolanda learned anything? What about little brother? I do think Daddy learned not to underestimate Brice again. I thought Yolanda learned her lesson with the Logan-thing. She did "sneak" with Benjamin, but what choice did she have, really? She let her parents know within a reasonable time period. Logan - yep. He's one of the most interesting things about the show. Thanks for the feedback, Pixi. I really appreciate it! |
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Post by artemis on Feb 10, 2005 16:54:40 GMT -5
Yes - but "Free At Last" could just as easily be a suicide note as a "I'm not really dead" note. Logan isn't going to believe Mom is dead, not without a body. But I'm not sure what we (the viewers) are supposed to believe. <snip> i thought logan's interpretation of the message said a lot more about him than about his mother -- including both in terms of what he wanted for her, and what he wants for himself (to be Free At Last from his father). |
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Post by artemis on Feb 10, 2005 16:58:42 GMT -5
great review, spring!
i thought the parts about the water imagery were especially astute. veronica and keith reached the end of the pipe, as they reach the end of the mysteries that they solve each week. and, on a more symbolic level, water can be a symbol of cycles, too -- the tides at the beach they were standing on. some people (such as logan and brice's dads) remain trapped in the same patterns (tides), while others are trying to break out of the cycle in whatever way they can (such as logan's mom, logan, yolanda/benjamin).
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 10, 2005 17:26:28 GMT -5
i thought logan's interpretation of the message said a lot more about him than about his mother -- including both in terms of what he wanted for her, and what he wants for himself (to be Free At Last from his father). Yes, exactly. Logan's motive for wanting to believe his mother is alive is apparent. He loves her. She's his mother. Seeing the lighter as a message that she faked her death is Logan's way of grasping at any straw that can keep Mom alive and possibly coming back for him. He COULD be right. But it's not at all the obvious no-brainer that he tries to tell Duncan it is. He isn't asking himself the hard questions: Why would his mother fake her own death? Aaron threatened to leave her penniless. Faking her death also leaves her penniless, so no advantage there. Aaron didn't threaten to harrass Lynn to the ends of the earth. So if she doesn't care about his money, why not just move to Alaska or Hawaii or Puerto Rico or Kokomo? Why fake your own death with all the complications of getting a new identity, and cutting yourself off from all those you love . . . why? Logan isn't asking himself any of those questions, but maybe Veronica will ask him, will make him think about it. And the big question Logan isn't asking himself is "Why did Mom leave ME?" Some of his anger toward Dad is about Dad. But some, I think, is about his anger at himself in letting down Lilly, and about his unrealized anger at Mom for freeing herself, but leaving him there and motherless. |
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 10, 2005 17:29:54 GMT -5
Thanks! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Water, rain, the ocean, tides - open to many possible interpretations. The "Love is thicker than Water" reference a few episodes back, and then the way Water was used in the "KoolAid" episode suggests a "love" connection to me. But the possibilites are many- and I will keep them in mind as I watch. I'm guessing we'll see the "water references" again. |
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