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Post by Lola m on Feb 10, 2005 21:21:07 GMT -5
Yes, it is me, and I just sent it in a little while ago. It was kinda fun. I agree "huge clues" all over this one - I think it relates back to what Veronica said about how she could tell Gabrielle, Yolanda's friend, was lying. If you know what to look for, and you look closely, people give themselves away. A hint to us, I think, to re-review some key scenes with an eye to "who is lying" and, perhaps even more importantly, "about what?". Lola
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Post by Lola m on Feb 10, 2005 21:23:34 GMT -5
i thought logan's interpretation of the message said a lot more about him than about his mother -- including both in terms of what he wanted for her, and what he wants for himself (to be Free At Last from his father). **nods, nods, nods a lot** Yep. I think Logan is putting the interpretation on this, not only that he wants to see, but the one that he wants to see for himself.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 10, 2005 21:24:47 GMT -5
Spring! Another fab job!
Very funny LOTR comments. Preciousssss and the flowing lava sewer water. But also, nice point about the ep looking at what is precious – really prized – to the folks in the story. That is what ties the two main stories together – Hamilton and his missing daughter and Logan and his distraught dad. With Veronica and her dad as the wonderful counterpoint, the “good example”, as it were.
Loved how you brought in Veronica’s lines about the things her dad has taught her about spotting a liar. You provided a great list of the ways people are twisting or lying about their choices – to show us what is really prized, really important to them. Including Veronica and her “choice” of Lily and the status quo over giving Yolanda a second chance.
And you really explained what I see as the “meat” of the episode so well when you talk about Logan’s mother leaving him, (no matter what really happened) and say:
Because it’s this theme that ties all the storylines we saw together. Plus, it’s such an important theme in the whole series. Really, we once again got to see all the main themes in this ep. Parental issues, false identities or fake “public” faces, and – as you noted – the truth will out.
Finally, I want to thank you for one particular insight you bring up that I didn’t think of at all.
Nice!
Lola
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Feb 10, 2005 21:33:35 GMT -5
Yes - but "Free At Last" could just as easily be a suicide note as a "I'm not really dead" note. Logan isn't going to believe Mom is dead, not without a body. But I'm not sure what we (the viewers) are supposed to believe. I'd be kind of disappointed if she was still alive. Very soap opera-y. In "real life" the circumstances we saw would usually mean the person had jumped and was dead. Every once in a blue moon, it means someone has faked their death. But - what advantage would faking her death bring Lynn? I mean, what advantage over just moving out and filing for divorce? The only advantage I can think of is the weak hope it might hurt her husband. But killing herself or faking it, she's hurt Logan so much I don't know which I hope is true. Spring, your review was great - and damn it must you ALWAYS make me cry? Poor lil Logan...
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Feb 10, 2005 21:35:44 GMT -5
Hey, Did I ever notice before? Spring and I have stakes on this thread! "Williams' Minion" Cool. uh yeah...you're the moderators!
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Feb 10, 2005 21:36:18 GMT -5
It's easy to have a post or two get lost sometimes (although less so on these episode threads where the pace is not so fast). Mostly, though, I just figure that not all my posts necessarily spark a specific reply in people. I know I don't reply to everything that is posted by everyone, even when I am interested and reading along. Sometimes I just have nothing else to add or comment. Probably just nodding along as I read. Lola *nods and goes on*
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Feb 10, 2005 21:37:11 GMT -5
I know! It's just not fair that I actually have to come to a workplace and do stuff. **pouts** I think someone should just pay me to watch my favorite shows and comment on them. Is that so much to ask? ;D Lola **sigh** I jest above, but sometimes I really wish that were true. Wouldn't it be nice to not have to make money? Sorry, we don't pay reviewers around here! ;D
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Feb 10, 2005 21:38:05 GMT -5
great review, spring! i thought the parts about the water imagery were especially astute. veronica and keith reached the end of the pipe, as they reach the end of the mysteries that they solve each week. and, on a more symbolic level, water can be a symbol of cycles, too -- the tides at the beach they were standing on. some people (such as logan and brice's dads) remain trapped in the same patterns (tides), while others are trying to break out of the cycle in whatever way they can (such as logan's mom, logan, yolanda/benjamin). nicely put artemis!
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 10, 2005 22:55:42 GMT -5
The only advantage I can think of is the weak hope it might hurt her husband. But killing herself or faking it, she's hurt Logan so much I don't know which I hope is true. Spring, your review was great - and damn it must you ALWAYS make me cry? Poor lil Logan... Must I always make you cry? Yep. That's the plan. Glad you enjoyed the review, and thanks for letting me know you did.
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Post by Linda on Feb 11, 2005 6:29:00 GMT -5
Hi Spring!
I haven't caught up to the main board yet, but I was so happy to be able to post something here in the VM thread, if only to say: Excellent review!
So: Excellent review Spring!
Don't have much else to add, since the show was only recently picked up by one of our local independent stations -- whose schedule usually consists of Korean soap operas and infomercials. Really. VM is on at very strange times, so I don't know if I will be able to catch every episode, though.
Agree with everyone that Logan is a fascinating character. He strikes me as someone on the verge of an explosion. Or implosion. I hope Veronica can help him with all of those hard questions you brought up earlier.
Linda, and I can't wait for AH, too, even though it sounds like her character is something of a bitca.
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Post by Linda on Feb 11, 2005 6:38:14 GMT -5
great review, spring! i thought the parts about the water imagery were especially astute. veronica and keith reached the end of the pipe, as they reach the end of the mysteries that they solve each week. and, on a more symbolic level, water can be a symbol of cycles, too -- the tides at the beach they were standing on. some people (such as logan and brice's dads) remain trapped in the same patterns (tides), while others are trying to break out of the cycle in whatever way they can (such as logan's mom, logan, yolanda/benjamin). Hi artemis! Eetah with Patti: nicely put! Eetah with you about Spring's *neat* mention of water images. (Well, ok, you said "astute", but my brain keeps saying *neat-o!* and I am too tired to smack it down at the moment. ) I think you're on to something, especially regarding the Dads. Because the bad father scenes take place poolside, but the truly life-changing stuff seems to take place oceanside. So, I think the poolside water scenes signal changes that are shallow/temporary/false, while the ocean scenes signal true life-changes. My distant memory of the first or second episode (back when I could still catch VM on MTV) is that Veronica's friendship with Wallace as well as her mutual respect relationship with Weevil began oceanside. So, too, her perfect prom night and later skinny-dipping in last week's rerun. All of these things seem life-changing to me. So my take is that Mr. Bling's decision to give up his ring, since it took place in the rain, signalled a change of priorities. However, I think the *real* and permanent life-change of the episode happened to Brice (oceanside), who found the inner strength to stand up to his dismissive father. Hopefully Mr. Bling's priority changes will last. Somehow, I don't think his kids will let him go back to the way he was. 'Cause that water has already reached the sea along with the ring and the duckies. By contrast, Logan's Dad's decision to quit acting took place poolside. So I don't think it's permanent. Still leaves Logan's mom's disappearance ambiguous, though. Or am I barking up the wrong vampire reading too much into the water-stuff? Have there been other similar poolside scenes versus oceanside scenes in earlier episodes? Linda, thanks, Spring and artemis, for all this water-on-the-brain (glub )
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Post by Lola m on Feb 11, 2005 8:36:32 GMT -5
Hi artemis! Eetah with Patti: nicely put! Eetah with you about Spring's *neat* mention of water images. (Well, ok, you said "astute", but my brain keeps saying *neat-o!* and I am too tired to smack it down at the moment. ) I think you're on to something, especially regarding the Dads. Because the bad father scenes take place poolside, but the truly life-changing stuff seems to take place oceanside. So, I think the poolside water scenes signal changes that are shallow/temporary/false, while the ocean scenes signal true life-changes. My distant memory of the first or second episode (back when I could still catch VM on MTV) is that Veronica's friendship with Wallace as well as her mutual respect relationship with Weevil began oceanside. So, too, her perfect prom night and later skinny-dipping in last week's rerun. All of these things seem life-changing to me. So my take is that Mr. Bling's decision to give up his ring, since it took place in the rain, signalled a change of priorities. However, I think the *real* and permanent life-change of the episode happened to Brice (oceanside), who found the inner strength to stand up to his dismissive father. Hopefully Mr. Bling's priority changes will last. Somehow, I don't think his kids will let him go back to the way he was. 'Cause that water has already reached the sea along with the ring and the duckies. By contrast, Logan's Dad's decision to quit acting took place poolside. So I don't think it's permanent. Still leaves Logan's mom's disappearance ambiguous, though. Or am I barking up the wrong vampire reading too much into the water-stuff? Have there been other similar poolside scenes versus oceanside scenes in earlier episodes? Linda, thanks, Spring and artemis, for all this water-on-the-brain (glub ) Artemis and Linda and Spring! I am really enjoying all your ideas about water imagery. Linda, I'd forgotten those long-ago key scenes on the beach with Wallace and Weevil. Very smart of you to remember and hark back to them - like the skinny dipping. Mr Hamilton standing in the rain, having to "throw away" a symbol of his image and power in the world, was such a powerful scene! Made me think back to us talking about images of rain and redemtion in the Buffyverse. Lola
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 11, 2005 9:00:08 GMT -5
Sorry, we don't pay reviewers around here! ;D Sue and I are considering unionizing.
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Post by William the Bloody on Feb 11, 2005 9:00:43 GMT -5
The town IS named "Neptune" after wall... it doesn't get much more watery than that.
Vlad
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 11, 2005 9:01:59 GMT -5
Hi Spring! I haven't caught up to the main board yet, but I was so happy to be able to post something here in the VM thread, if only to say: Excellent review! So: Excellent review Spring! Thank you, Linda I can't wait for AH, either. I hope VM gets a second season, and that it finds a reasonable time slot on your TV schedule . . . and MINE (it comes on at 11PM! I like to watch it twice so I can write the review at lunchtime the next day - so I'm up until 1pm taking notes.)
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