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Post by Matthew on Feb 16, 2005 0:21:47 GMT -5
"Type 4 (generalized spikes and waves) occurred more often both in probands with epilepsy and their siblings than the respective controls. Thus, the coincidence of photosensitivity will appear as higher if only a PPR [photoparoxysmal response] with generalized spikes and waves is considered to be indicative of photosensitivity." Indeed it does exist...seems to be genetic and is the type of epilepsy that is sensitive to light, ie, if the person with epilepsy is exposed to flashing lights, etc, that can trigger a seizure. Ah, the photostrobe sensitivity type. Thank you, Erin! Enough flashbulbs soon enough after something, could Duncan's memory be intentionally affected?
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 16, 2005 0:27:16 GMT -5
I don't think there is any such thing as an epileptic rage...in the middle of a seizure, it is really difficult to do anything beyond having the seizure, much less kill your sister. Yes - I have seen these seizures close-up - a sibling. Can get very violent with limbs flailing about . . . you can get socked pretty hard if you happen to be in the way - but the person having the seizure couldn't murder anyone.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 16, 2005 0:28:30 GMT -5
All I know is we're supposed to wonder if Duncan killed his sister in an epileptic rage which he can not now remember. And I was very glad to see the deputy again, and to have Veronica apologize. Also, liked her apology and the subsequent exchange of looks between her and the formerly hated not-victim. Yes - definitely liked the Deputy Leo scene, and the way Veronica and Carrie kind of "made up" in the end.
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Post by Queen E on Feb 16, 2005 0:32:09 GMT -5
Yes - I have seen these seizures close-up - a sibling. Can get very violent with limbs flaying about . . . you can get socked pretty hard if you happen to be in the way - but the person having the seizure couldn't murder anyone. Someone could be hurt by accident, certainly, but since it is a genetic condition, Duncan most likely manifested before Lilly's death, and Lilly would have known to keep out of reach, one would suppose. For the person having the seizure, scary as hell all by itself.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 16, 2005 0:34:47 GMT -5
I am thinking this, too. *Nods vigorously* I didn't like that, myself: if the credit cards were missing, wouldn't the accountant take care of cancelling them? Unless Logan was the one that was supposed to be doing the credit-card cancellation, and Lynn knew this.. or her wallet was left at home, away from the crime scene where Logan would have looked at it before the cops did. I dunno. Got to figure out a way to make me not cuss about the uncancelled cards. I suppose I can buy that the credit cards had not gotten cancelled yet. I would think that task would fall to Aaron (or at least, it would fall to Aaron to tell their accountant to do it) and he may not have done it yet. If he truly believes his wife is dead, he's going to be pretty discombobulated for a while. My best guess - and totally wild guess - is that the cards will turn out to be stolen, and a dead end.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 16, 2005 0:43:02 GMT -5
Someone could be hurt by accident, certainly, but since it is a genetic condition, Duncan most likely manifested before Lilly's death, and Lilly would have known to keep out of reach, one would suppose. For the person having the seizure, scary as hell all by itself. I forget how Lilly died. Or do we know? Was she strangled or shot or stabbed or . . .? A person having a epileptic seizure can definitely knock you very hard, and in a freakish accident type scenario, could kill you. It is hard not to go toward a sibling having a seizure, even if you know you're not supposed to. I was about . . . 13 or so when my sis started having them. It was horribly upsetting - scary, scary, scary for all involved. And once, I was alone with her when it happened, and I rushed over to her despite the flailing limbs - she was younger and smaller than me and didn't hurt me seriously, but I still remember how shocked I was by her . . . strength, for lack of a better word. But . . . I don't remember how Lilly died. So . . . don't know if such a scenario is possible.
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Post by Rob on Feb 16, 2005 1:23:43 GMT -5
All I know is we're supposed to wonder if Duncan killed his sister in an epileptic rage which he can not now remember. And I was very glad to see the deputy again, and to have Veronica apologize. Also, liked her apology and the subsequent exchange of looks between her and the formerly hated not-victim. One definite theory would be Koontz somehow being coerced - possibly bribed somehow - into taking the fall. Since he's going to die anyway, perhaps Jake offered money to a family member left behind or something. Lilly was killed by a grievous trauma to the head. That leaves open the possibility of a tragic accident while Duncan was suffering a seizure. This doesn't, however, clearly explain the threats to Lianne Mars, or the "target" pictures taken of Veronica by the security goon. If Lianne truly was having an affair with Jake, perhaps she was at the scene of the killing somehow, and threatened to tell Keith the truth. This would be a possible answer, I suppose. I'm inclined to agree with Logan's reasoning about his mother's preferences regarding suicide; she wasn't the jump off the bridge type. If she IS alive, however, one is forced to wonder just who was taking the dive on that DVD. I agree with the chorus of praise for Jason Dohring...he really is terrific. I wish, however, that Weevil and Wallace's characters got a little more exploration. At this point Logan is damn near a co-lead character rather than a supporting one, and it's leading to less and less screen time for everyone else. So...they're moving toward hooking up Veronica and the deputy? Perhaps he should brush up on his age-of-consent law first (though I've no clue what it really is in California. Still feels vaguely ooky).
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Post by Rob on Feb 16, 2005 1:55:52 GMT -5
Someone could be hurt by accident, certainly, but since it is a genetic condition, Duncan most likely manifested before Lilly's death, and Lilly would have known to keep out of reach, one would suppose. For the person having the seizure, scary as hell all by itself. Totally off-topic: three of the six major cast members of VM (according to their official bios) went to college: Kristen Bell graduated from NYU's School of the Arts. Enrico Colantoni attended the University of Toronto, then moved on to the American Academy of Dramatic Arts, then finally graduated from Yale School of Drama. Teddy Dunn went to Northwestern, where he studied theater and political science. Here endeth the pointless trivia.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Feb 16, 2005 2:35:02 GMT -5
I don't think there is any such thing as an epileptic rage...in the middle of a seizure, it is really difficult to do anything beyond having the seizure, much less kill your sister. ETA: There are a lot of reasons that Duncan would have hid that fact...for a long time (and still to some people today), epilepsy is something to be ashamed of...I can imagine that in the Kane family, they would have told Duncan to keep that to himself. It could also be the reason for the breakup; all his mom would have to do is say to Duncan, "Do you want her (and everybody) to find out about your illness?" well, rage was just a quick word choice.I was typing 'fit' and that sounded very un-pc, so I changed it to rage since violence was mentioned in the info Veronica read on tghe chart. I do know something about epilepsy as a member of my family has it unfortunately.
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Post by Rob on Feb 16, 2005 2:38:50 GMT -5
well, rage was just a quick word choice.I was typing 'fit' and that sounded very un-pc, so I changed it to rage How about we go with "event?" I think that would work quite well.
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Post by Matthew on Feb 16, 2005 3:28:09 GMT -5
How about we go with "event?" I think that would work quite well. " 'Sode " perhaps? Seriously, I think that "fit" is not considered derogatory, as I believe that the term "fit" to describe an emotional outburst derives from comparing such to an epileptic fit. "Seizure" would work, too. I think that "event" or "episode" would also be acceptable, though I'd shy away from the alliteration, myself.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 16, 2005 7:56:20 GMT -5
They're doing a nice job with showing Veronica learning from her own mistakes. I like that. She not all-knowing all the time. I think Abel is just so much a nut case that he wants the noteriety and stuff and that was the main way they got him to do it. I mean, I bet we'll also find out about a pay off and stuff. But somehow I think the main motivator was he wants people to think he's important and stuff. The scenes at the end with Logan and the accidental footage of the bridge were just excellent. Veronica's reaction felt so real when she sees the body fall and kind of flinches. Weevil and Veronica threatening the kid so he doesn't sell or use the footage. The look that Weevil shoots at Logan just as he's leaving. Then *bam* the message about the cards and all. We're up, we're down, we're up, we're down. It's a rollercoaster! Lola Excellent. I loved the hearing and the text messages Veronica made up. And I think the way the evil girl wasn't evil and the twisty way it ended up. Logan was wonderful this episode. I felt everything he was feeling. Great facial expressions and body language. The scene with Weevil was fantastic. Rim shot. Deep Throat. Hee, hee. There was a lot packed into this show. Loved the Daddy scene. Bwah to the ink bomb. Go Keith. Plus Abel Koontz dying. And next week Willow.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 16, 2005 7:59:31 GMT -5
One definite theory would be Koontz somehow being coerced - possibly bribed somehow - into taking the fall. Since he's going to die anyway, perhaps Jake offered money to a family member left behind or something. Lilly was killed by a grievous trauma to the head. That leaves open the possibility of a tragic accident while Duncan was suffering a seizure. This doesn't, however, clearly explain the threats to Lianne Mars, or the "target" pictures taken of Veronica by the security goon. If Lianne truly was having an affair with Jake, perhaps she was at the scene of the killing somehow, and threatened to tell Keith the truth. This would be a possible answer, I suppose. I'm inclined to agree with Logan's reasoning about his mother's preferences regarding suicide; she wasn't the jump off the bridge type. If she IS alive, however, one is forced to wonder just who was taking the dive on that DVD. I agree with the chorus of praise for Jason Dohring...he really is terrific. I wish, however, that Weevil and Wallace's characters got a little more exploration. At this point Logan is damn near a co-lead character rather than a supporting one, and it's leading to less and less screen time for everyone else. So...they're moving toward hooking up Veronica and the deputy? Perhaps he should brush up on his age-of-consent law first (though I've no clue what it really is in California. Still feels vaguely ooky). I agree that having Duncan as the killer during a seizure really doesn't fit in with everything else that has happened. Unless Daddy is really twisted. Also joining in the Jason/Logan praise. What an absolutely fantastic job he and the writers have done to take a character I ignored and disliked when the show premiered to creating a character I can't wait to see. Even Duncan is finally getting more interesting to me. And I agree with you and Logan that his mother's method of suicide would be sleeping pills. So if Mommy didn't jump - what was falling off the bridge?
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Post by Pixi on Feb 16, 2005 8:01:11 GMT -5
Yes - definitely liked the Deputy Leo scene, and the way Veronica and Carrie kind of "made up" in the end. Word. Very well played and written. I liked how they didn't push the Deputy scene in our face - it felt realistic to me.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 16, 2005 8:29:11 GMT -5
Alright I know I'm talking to myself but - didn't you just love the doctor's office joke? Terrific as we have all sat there in that paper gown waiting for the doctor forever.
I also like the way they allow Veronica to be imperfect. This time Daddy was right, she was wrong. It is so terrific to have the lead not be right in the end. It just makes her character so much more compelling. The downside - one of the few things she looks forward to at school is taken away from her.
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