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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Apr 26, 2005 22:22:41 GMT -5
Hee - Patti you made me smile. And I'm really sad for Veronica and Logan right now. they'll be ok - it'll get straightened out. I hope.
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Post by raenstorm on Apr 26, 2005 22:23:02 GMT -5
Bluesman and I discussed doing a timeline a while back and he sent me two links. We were considering doing one of our own, but why re-invent the wheel? I just put the links on the Miscellany thread, but yes the rape was actually probably several months after the murder. (After Lianne left seems likely and that was about 4 months after the murder.) Actually, that date messes up the timeline a bit - may be a continuity screw up? She said Dec 3. Lilly was killed in October... Lianne didn't leave until February. AND, I thought Keith was still sheriff in early December but, if that date is correct, that means he was relieved of his position in late Nov rather than December.
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Post by Pixi on Apr 26, 2005 22:23:08 GMT -5
Dontcha think he had to know she would find out about the GHB at some point? If it was me, I would be wondering if the romancing was just to keep me off guard and mitigate any damage finding out about the GHB would create. Please don't hit me?! I have to completely disagree with this but see - if you've only seen one episode, its hard to judge all the things that have been going on. I believe all of Logan's feelings have been "real" and honest and no attempt whatsoever to fool Veronica. I don't think he even knows about the rape. I think this is all going to come as news to him. He was probably wasted at the Pomeroy party too.
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Post by raenstorm on Apr 26, 2005 22:26:04 GMT -5
We absolutely DON'T know he's bad. His creepy friends could have brought the drug, he took it from them, and blackmailer guy could have taken it from him. We don't KNOW yet Logan could have been keeping the demon eggs for a friend! Well, I beg to differ. We do know he's bad. We've already seen the bum fighting and he was most definitely an ass in the first few episodes. (ETA: Don't get me wrong, I really love Logan but I like him because he's complicated and not just a good guy disguised as a bad boy. He IS a bad boy.) Not saying he meant for V to get raped but I can see him passing out the drugs without really thinking/taking responsibility for how they were going to be used. Now he gets to find out the consequences of doing it... and I suspect he'll be just as upset as anyone once he knows exactly what part he played in V's rape. I mean, of course, if he IS guilty of providing the drugs as accused.
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Post by raenstorm on Apr 26, 2005 22:29:18 GMT -5
Ok - did anyone else think that it really looked like Duncan kissing Veronica as she lay on the chair? I'm not sure I believe he was the one who raped her but I suspect we're going to have a bit of a mislead with him kissing her and everyone seeing that outside... (disclaimer: The above is all pure speculation based on seeing the back of some guy's head in the previews.)
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Onjel I havent left yet
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Post by Onjel I havent left yet on Apr 26, 2005 22:29:56 GMT -5
I have to completely disagree with this but see - if you've only seen one episode, its hard to judge all the things that have been going on. I believe all of Logan's feelings have been "real" and honest and no attempt whatsoever to fool Veronica. I don't think he even knows about the rape. I think this is all going to come as news to him. He was probably wasted at the Pomeroy party too. Ok. Sounds reasonable, but let me expand on my thought. If Logan brought and distributed the GHB, then he would have to expect anyone present at the party to find out, and if the girl he loves was there, well, I'm just sayin'. And, that's why I let it be known that I haven't seen the entire season and only go by my nosey lawyer instincts and those tell me that no good can come from having too much money and time and too little supervision during teenage years. I do think he is going to be surprised about the rape, cuz even though I think there is dark side to him, I got the distinct impression that underneath that is a basically nice kid.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Apr 26, 2005 22:31:00 GMT -5
Well, I beg to differ. We do know he's bad. We've already seen the bum fighting and he was most definitely an ass in the first few episodes. Not saying he meant for V to get raped but I can see him passing out the drugs without really thinking/taking responsibility for how they were going to be used. Now he gets to find out the consequences of doing it... and I suspect he'll be just as upset as anyone once he knows exactly what part he played in V's rape. I mean, of course, if he IS guilty of providing the drugs as accused. I just meant he wasn't BAD bad. He's a little bad..or he wouldn't be fun. I'm going to wait and see, as we all will. But we all knew a bunch of kissage this hot, this fast, would have to be cooled down, cause it can't be the 'Veronica and Logan, America's Teen Sweethearts' show next season.
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Post by Pixi on Apr 26, 2005 22:32:08 GMT -5
Ok - did anyone else think that it really looked like Duncan kissing Veronica as she lay on the chair? I'm not sure I believe he was the one who raped her but I suspect we're going to have a bit of a mislead with him kissing her and everyone seeing that outside... (disclaimer: The above is all pure speculation based on seeing the back of some guy's head in the previews.) Rae - I was wondering that myself. I kept pausing my tape to try to get a clearer look at everyone.
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Post by Sue on Apr 26, 2005 22:33:07 GMT -5
Actually, that date messes up the timeline a bit - may be a continuity screw up? She said Dec 3. Lilly was killed in October... Lianne didn't leave until February. AND, I thought Keith was still sheriff in early December but, if that date is correct, that means he was relieved of his position in late Nov rather than December. Oh, they actually said Dec 3 on the ep tonite?
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Post by raenstorm on Apr 26, 2005 22:33:58 GMT -5
Oh, they actually said Dec 3 on the ep tonite? Re-watching now to confirm. Mac said a date when she looked at when the video was made of Carmen.
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Post by raenstorm on Apr 26, 2005 22:34:52 GMT -5
I just meant he wasn't BAD bad. He's a little bad..or he wouldn't be fun. I'm going to wait and see, as we all will. But we all knew a bunch of kissage this hot, this fast, would have to be cooled down, cause it can't be the 'Veronica and Logan, America's Teen Sweethearts' show next season. Well, yes, that's basically what I meant. Altho... why can't we have 'Veronica and Logan, America's Really F-ed Up Teen Sweethearts'?? I'd watch.
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Post by raenstorm on Apr 26, 2005 22:37:33 GMT -5
Also - guess those "small" favors V asks of Wallace are about to come back and bite them both in the arse, hmm? Clarence, unfortunately, was right that the association with the Mars causing a security risk. Except, of course, that he had the wrong family member causing the problem. He'd have to tell Alicia to stop Wallace from being Veronica's friend to have stopped the plant in the plant (heh).
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Post by raenstorm on Apr 26, 2005 22:39:43 GMT -5
Karen... I enjoyed Dick and The Beaver too Amazing what things will get by the censors, eh?
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Post by Pixi on Apr 26, 2005 22:40:14 GMT -5
Well, yes, that's basically what I meant. Altho... why can't we have Veronica and Logan, America's Really F-ed Up Teen Sweethearts ?? I like this. Rob - are you listening?
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Post by raenstorm on Apr 26, 2005 22:42:45 GMT -5
Oh, they actually said Dec 3 on the ep tonite? Ok, sorry, 3:23 AM December 7, 2003. Yep - definitely screws up the timeline as I understood it. Granted, we never truly got a firm date on the rape before but it's definitely implied that Lianne was gone already and we know Keith was no longer sheriff.
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