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Post by Pixi on Oct 21, 2005 7:11:35 GMT -5
I've posted my thoughts on this episode in my LJ. Normally, I'd just ramble some more here or repost but I got kind long-winded and used some formatting. Since I don't think it'll fit into one post here, I figured a link was probably better this time around. That way only the few as obsessed as I am are subjected to it. www.livejournal.com/users/siklilgrl/178536.htmlRae - as soon as I finish here I'll be over there chatting about it. But I should probably post before I read your thoughts. Yesterday I only managed to get to TWOP with all the prepping. I had to put my two bits in for Rob.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 21, 2005 7:13:29 GMT -5
Wow. Are you telling me no one was disappointed in this episode? I was sure I'd get on this board and on LJ and find tons of negativity. Go figure... I'm just going to cut-paste my initial reactions that I posted on my LJ, for the sake of rewriting basically everything over again. I wrote this right after watching last night, so it's a tad bit harsh. But I really did think this episode was one of the weaker, if not the weakest VM episode we've seen to date. Yes, those are fightin' words! And yes, I still have to rewatch before I can clearly state my opinion. But under first watch, in my eyes, this episode just did not stand up to the VM standards... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have one thing to say... WHAT THE FUCK WAS LOGAN DOING IN FUCKING BLUE!!! Yes, that was the most important thing I had to say about this episode. Yes, that was my WTF moment this week. Seriously, JD alone saved the episode from plummeting to its death. The script was just really bland, and, well, all over the place. There were way too many random little things going on. Scenes that didn't fit in the episode. I didn't see hardly any organization to it other than the heavy-handed jealousy theme. Marti Noxon, step away from the VM writers. Add in a newbie director who wasted WAY too much time on stupid things, letting the episode drag to immense proportions, and you have Shannon actually thinking that the sleep she lost to watch this wasn't worth it. That's serious. The whole time, I just felt like the episode was dragging. Immensely dragging. Sluggish even. Even out of the actors. Where was the energy this week? I love Alicia, but that storyline was so damn predictable. I was almost wishing for a Witness Protection Program storyline and I said last week that would be too predictable. And I loved the portrayal of the fractured, all not as perfect as it seems Dun/VM relationship, but ultimately, snoozeworthy. Nothing makes me happier than to see VM 2.0 making a comeback which was ultimately the purpose of this episode, but did we really need to go through all of that to get there? Case of the week? So very very sluggish. Really shouldn't have taken up so much time. The only scene worthy of a rewind was that little Logan scene. Without even trying, it was the best scene of the episode. All of a sudden , I was like, 'Look. Energy!' Line of the night, hands down, goes to Logan's "My day is complete! Veronica Mars has accused me of E-vil." Simple line, but priceless delivery. Second prize would have to go to Rico and his performance. He tried to do as much as he could with his lines… I guess the last five episodes have been so crazy and insane that I'm just spoiled. But I'm sure hoping this was just a little slump. Because I don't want to see this quality become the norm. Nope, not at all. I do need to rewatch, but I don't even have the energy to right now. I'm quite abit upset about how mundane this one was. I hope it can get better on rewatch, but I'm kind of worried to find out. Oh, well. Now I guess I can get some work done this week, since RT refrained from exploding it. I suppose that's a good thing for my GPA. What did I like? - MARS INVESTIGATIONS!! Pretty windows...although storing Keith's sheriff posters in there is just plain blasphemy! - Wallace all worried about Veronica inside Scottish guy's house? Aww. - Darryl's back! Ain't he cute? - The little throwaway line from 202, with the little detail of Logan's "Life Short" party ends up being important. I love when little things become important later on. - Mac back! And her new hairstyle? How adorable was that? Even if she was only on screen for like two seconds in one of the most random scenes of the night… - Lamb vs. Keith! Let the games begin! - Getting some backstory to understand Duncan's weird happiness. It was all a front. Kind of a theme in this show, eh? - Huge number of Season One references again! Inga, Vinny Van Lowe, Kane scholoarship, that Beaver-like clock pan-down, Lamb collecting the kegs. See, I told ya! Those writers are having a huge contest: Who can fit the most Season One references into one script! - I think it's sufficient to say that Veronica 2.0 is making a comeback! This week she was busy going behind Keith's back, annoyed at Duncan for his evasiveness, pessimistic on love, and finally, she's coming back to work! Woohoo! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zimshan - I'm going to be negative. I am, I am. Just wait - hee, hee. I love your opening line. Yes - wearing Duncan's clothing -so, so weird. I'm not going to read your post yet till I post my thoughts, then I'll come back and comment but I couldn't resist your opening line. ETA: I agree - that is what I got out of it. And yeah for finally getting her there. Now - rev it all up please.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 21, 2005 7:20:25 GMT -5
Wow. Are you telling me no one was disappointed in this episode? I was sure I'd get on this board and on LJ and find tons of negativity. Go figure... I'm just going to cut-paste my initial reactions that I posted on my LJ, for the sake of rewriting basically everything over again. I wrote this right after watching last night, so it's a tad bit harsh. But I really did think this episode was one of the weaker, if not the weakest VM episode we've seen to date. Yes, those are fightin' words! And yes, I still have to rewatch before I can clearly state my opinion. But under first watch, in my eyes, this episode just did not stand up to the VM standards... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have one thing to say... WHAT THE FUCK WAS LOGAN DOING IN FUCKING BLUE!!! Yes, that was the most important thing I had to say about this episode. Yes, that was my WTF moment this week. Seriously, JD alone saved the episode from plummeting to its death. The script was just really bland, and, well, all over the place. There were way too many random little things going on. Scenes that didn't fit in the episode. I didn't see hardly any organization to it other than the heavy-handed jealousy theme. Marti Noxon, step away from the VM writers. Add in a newbie director who wasted WAY too much time on stupid things, letting the episode drag to immense proportions, and you have Shannon actually thinking that the sleep she lost to watch this wasn't worth it. That's serious. The whole time, I just felt like the episode was dragging. Immensely dragging. Sluggish even. Even out of the actors. Where was the energy this week? I love Alicia, but that storyline was so damn predictable. I was almost wishing for a Witness Protection Program storyline and I said last week that would be too predictable. And I loved the portrayal of the fractured, all not as perfect as it seems Dun/VM relationship, but ultimately, snoozeworthy. Nothing makes me happier than to see VM 2.0 making a comeback which was ultimately the purpose of this episode, but did we really need to go through all of that to get there? Case of the week? So very very sluggish. Really shouldn't have taken up so much time. The only scene worthy of a rewind was that little Logan scene. Without even trying, it was the best scene of the episode. All of a sudden , I was like, 'Look. Energy!' Line of the night, hands down, goes to Logan's "My day is complete! Veronica Mars has accused me of E-vil." Simple line, but priceless delivery. Second prize would have to go to Rico and his performance. He tried to do as much as he could with his lines… I guess the last five episodes have been so crazy and insane that I'm just spoiled. But I'm sure hoping this was just a little slump. Because I don't want to see this quality become the norm. Nope, not at all. I do need to rewatch, but I don't even have the energy to right now. I'm quite abit upset about how mundane this one was. I hope it can get better on rewatch, but I'm kind of worried to find out. Oh, well. Now I guess I can get some work done this week, since RT refrained from exploding it. I suppose that's a good thing for my GPA. What did I like? - MARS INVESTIGATIONS!! Pretty windows...although storing Keith's sheriff posters in there is just plain blasphemy! - Wallace all worried about Veronica inside Scottish guy's house? Aww. - Darryl's back! Ain't he cute? - The little throwaway line from 202, with the little detail of Logan's "Life Short" party ends up being important. I love when little things become important later on. - Mac back! And her new hairstyle? How adorable was that? Even if she was only on screen for like two seconds in one of the most random scenes of the night… - Lamb vs. Keith! Let the games begin! - Getting some backstory to understand Duncan's weird happiness. It was all a front. Kind of a theme in this show, eh? - Huge number of Season One references again! Inga, Vinny Van Lowe, Kane scholoarship, that Beaver-like clock pan-down, Lamb collecting the kegs. See, I told ya! Those writers are having a huge contest: Who can fit the most Season One references into one script! - I think it's sufficient to say that Veronica 2.0 is making a comeback! This week she was busy going behind Keith's back, annoyed at Duncan for his evasiveness, pessimistic on love, and finally, she's coming back to work! Woohoo! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, I'm not sayin' it was the best episode ever, there were some moments when it was a bit flat and some where the pace seemed rushed. But I liked the various elements of relationship complexity it added and the WOTW I think was more layered than it appears on the surface. Eetah on the love for all the season 1 references!!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 21, 2005 7:22:14 GMT -5
Um, holy crap? So...Dad's not dead? Whahuh? Side note: Alicia's got a thing for the cops, it seems. First: Mac! What the hell is Meg doing that she has to hide from her parents? Dim sum and then some? Yikes! Logan's moustache twidling line is just 9 kinds of delightful. ' Oh yes, yes, yes. Not enough Logan for me though he wouldn't have logically fit in anywhere in this episode so I'm fine with the little bit they included. Sodapop on TWOP posted a very nice analysis of the way Logan uses his hands and theatrical gestures whenever he is being snarky and yet when he is serious as in I'm in love with you and his confession about the drugs he gets very still. I think he is trying to keep his feelings and hurt away from Veronica by reverting to his snarky words and theatrical gestures. Really loved them. But he did look tired and worn and I've seen all kinds of discussion on why his shirt had pit stains. And why he was wearing Duncan clothing. To my mind it had to be deliberate so why was Logan sweating? Why so worn and tired looking? Also noted on TWOP was that the day of Logan's Life's Short party was the same day as Aaron Echoll's birthday. Interesting!!!!!!!! Anyway - the whole point of this was I agree Erin - the mustache twirl - marvelous!!!!!!!!!! All of which seems to point to Logan having a lot more issues, now that he's almostorphanboy, than he is letting on to the world at large. It will be interesting to see how they develop this in the coming weeks!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 21, 2005 7:23:52 GMT -5
Two middle of the night thoughts: We never did see what decision Veronica made about looking at Meg's files, right? If Lamb could find out that the guy was a cop, why did Keith only find out about his record? Undercover? Guy planted fake prison record knowing Keith would look? But Lamb had no problem identifying him as a Chicago cop. I'm confused. I don't know why Keith didn't find out this information but I do think we are shown Veronica does not look at the files. Which plays back to her not looking at the results of the Paternity test in Season 1. Though this decision has much less emotional impact than that one it is still consistent with Veronica's character. **nods nods nods** Perfect comparison!
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Post by Pixi on Oct 21, 2005 7:32:57 GMT -5
Okay - posting my reactions before I submerge myself in zimshan and Rae's thoughts.
I found this to be a very meh episode. The MOTW was loaded with anvils - jealousy -yes, yes, yes, - we get it. All about money, people are not what they appear to be - check.
I think the main problem is that they focused way, way too much time on the MOTW and the actress playing Julie was simply boring and way too over the top. I did not like her. I did not care about her problems. In fact - I was kind of cheering when she screwed her life up. Also - the bf - while cute - too boring. If he is indeed an allegory for Logan than give him some sex and charisma instead of Mr. Bland.
If they had spent less time on this and more time interweaving the back stories it would have been less of a filler episode to me.
First of all I'm thankful we didn't have to see any more of the Donut comforting Veronica. But I'm not thankful we don't see any more of the Casablancas fallout. Just a crumb, a line somewhere and I would have been happy. But nada, zip.
Things I loved about the episode:
Wallace - when you assume, you make an ass of you. Hee, hee. I like Wallace showing some backbone but um Wallace - I'm kind of on Jackie's side on the bailout. Yes - Jackie is a biatch that a lot of people hate but having your makeout partner bail because of a phone call from another femme does tend to piss one off.
But loved his giggling over Veronica's hooker act.
And just to discuss -what is up with all the gender reversal scenes we are seeing. Veronica - with her lesbian gay girl talk and Duncan turning down sex after a shall we say, less than stalwart performance. Is Duncan going to be gay? RT did say Duncan wasn't a gay android but still. Lots and lots of gender reversal things going on this year with the whole post sex Veronica talking like a boy and Duncan playing the girl. So kind of curious where this is all going.
I am so, so glad to see Keith give Veronica a rightly deserved smackdown. Go Keith!!!!! And I'm sure he is right - she is only sorry she got caught.
I think the whole "Luke I am your father" um sorry Wallace I am your father was pretty much guessed and telegraphed so I found that all a bit anticlimatic. Loved Keith's digitally line - hee, hee - though.
Love me some Lamb. Love me some Lamb on Keith action. More, more, more please.
Does Weevil's gang look tougher and meaner to anyone this year? Yikes. Loved the clean underwear line.
And then we have Logan. Tired, accused of evil once again by Veronica Logan. The only bit of life in this episode. JD can do so much with so little. Everything was perfect to me. I've seen accusations of too much theatrical in his delivery but to me they were spot on perfect. Consistent with his character and exactly the way Logan would react to Veronica on his case again.
Well - at least she confronted him this time.
My boss just walked up to me and said - hey I agree with you. They need to work Logan back into it more because what's his name is duller than a door.
Hee, hee, hee. I stand vindicated.
Anyway - off to read those far more analytical and deeper than I.
So my conclusion - meh except for moments. A big letdown after Cheatty Cheatty.
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Post by raenstorm on Oct 21, 2005 7:58:52 GMT -5
Okay - posting my reactions before I submerge myself in zimshan and Rae's thoughts. I found this to be a very meh episode. The MOTW was loaded with anvils - jealousy -yes, yes, yes, - we get it. All about money, people are not what they appear to be - check. I think the main problem is that they focused way, way too much time on the MOTW and the actress playing Julie was simply boring and way too over the top. I did not like her. I did not care about her problems. In fact - I was kind of cheering when she screwed her life up. Also - the bf - while cute - too boring. If he is indeed an allegory for Logan than give him some sex and charisma instead of Mr. Bland. If they had spent less time on this and more time interweaving the back stories it would have been less of a filler episode to me. First of all I'm thankful we didn't have to see any more of the Donut comforting Veronica. But I'm not thankful we don't see any more of the Casablancas fallout. Just a crumb, a line somewhere and I would have been happy. But nada, zip. Things I loved about the episode: Wallace - when you assume, you make an ass of you. Hee, hee. I like Wallace showing some backbone but um Wallace - I'm kind of on Jackie's side on the bailout. Yes - Jackie is a biatch that a lot of people hate but having your makeout partner bail because of a phone call from another femme does tend to piss one off. But loved his giggling over Veronica's hooker act. And just to discuss -what is up with all the gender reversal scenes we are seeing. Veronica - with her lesbian gay girl talk and Duncan turning down sex after a shall we say, less than stalwart performance. Is Duncan going to be gay? RT did say Duncan wasn't a gay android but still. Lots and lots of gender reversal things going on this year with the whole post sex Veronica talking like a boy and Duncan playing the girl. So kind of curious where this is all going. I am so, so glad to see Keith give Veronica a rightly deserved smackdown. Go Keith!!!!! And I'm sure he is right - she is only sorry she got caught. I think the whole "Luke I am your father" um sorry Wallace I am your father was pretty much guessed and telegraphed so I found that all a bit anticlimatic. Loved Keith's digitally line - hee, hee - though. Love me some Lamb. Love me some Lamb on Keith action. More, more, more please. Does Weevil's gang look tougher and meaner to anyone this year? Yikes. Loved the clean underwear line. And then we have Logan. Tired, accused of evil once again by Veronica Logan. The only bit of life in this episode. JD can do so much with so little. Everything was perfect to me. I've seen accusations of too much theatrical in his delivery but to me they were spot on perfect. Consistent with his character and exactly the way Logan would react to Veronica on his case again. Well - at least she confronted him this time. My boss just walked up to me and said - hey I agree with you. They need to work Logan back into it more because what's his name is duller than a door. Hee, hee, hee. I stand vindicated. Anyway - off to read those far more analytical and deeper than I. So my conclusion - meh except for moments. A big letdown after Cheatty Cheatty. Awww. Well, first, I sent you an IM. Second, see you saw the jealousy as anvils and I actually liked that part. I think, though, because it went deeper than just the idea of on the surface jealousy in my opinion. I don't think the bf was supposed to be an allegory for Logan. If anything he was an allegory for Duncan but, as you'll see when you read my thoughts, that doesn't fit because it implies that Duncan is in the relationship for her. I think that's what Veronica got out of it but I don't think that was really what the episode was showing us. (ETA: I want to clarify that I think Duncan is in the relationship much for the reasons Veronica is - normalness and to get back what they once had. In other words, they are both kind of trying to reclaim the past and I think it's clear that, while they probably could still be friends, they aren't the same people they fell in love with and, as a result, don't have a lot in common to keep them together. Just look how seperate Veronica's life is from Duncan. We get Veronica's POV and she's hardly with him - which I am grateful for but it is also very telling.) As for cheering when Julie screwed up her life, well... I got the feeling we were supposed to feel that way. Basically that she deserved what she got - for creating a problem instead of just being cautious and looking for one. She is being a hypocrit - wanting to hide her wealth so someone will want her for her but she wants to be able to pick a guy for his wealth. Again - there's tie in here to our main characters but I don't think it's an exact parallel. I could see it tying into Duncan/Veronica/Logan in the sense that Veronica wants a guy to want her and yet she she wants a guy who is normal. She's being a hypocrit because she's not normal and she doesn't engage in normal activities and yet she demands that of her boyfriend. Note that she doesn't ask Duncan to help her with the PI gig. He's from her "normal" life and the PI stuff - the temptation trap - is not a part of that. I also see it as a tie into Veronica/Jackie/Wallace. With Veronica being the one who is creating a problem rather than looking for one in regards to Jackie. Jackie appears to be extremely upfront about herself there - yeah she's hiding some of her personal stuff but she's not hiding her true self from Wallace. Yet, Veronica has a problem with her so she's getting a little blind to the truth. I also see it as a tie into Keith/Alicia/Carl-Nathan. Though I think this is actually the other extreme. Keith is being the exact opposite of Julie in regards to Alicia and he's discovering that harm in trusting too quickly too fast. I suppose there might also be a tie into this storyline regarding why Alicia left Carl-Nathan and how that might parallel to Colin's reasons for keeping himself private. That, in the end, it might be about Alicia loving Keith but having some defenses of her own in place and that's why she's not been completely truthful. It doesn't have to mean she was trying to deceive Keith in a hurtful manner. Just like with Colin, this doesn't make her completely right in her decision but we may find that her reasons are more understandable later. Anyway. I'm rambling and reading way too much into the show again. I had more to say but I need to go over some edits in a proposal and get feedback to my boss. If I can remember what else I was going to add to your comments, I'll be back.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 21, 2005 9:13:58 GMT -5
Okay - posting my reactions before I submerge myself in zimshan and Rae's thoughts. I found this to be a very meh episode. The MOTW was loaded with anvils - jealousy -yes, yes, yes, - we get it. All about money, people are not what they appear to be - check. I think the main problem is that they focused way, way too much time on the MOTW and the actress playing Julie was simply boring and way too over the top. I did not like her. I did not care about her problems. In fact - I was kind of cheering when she screwed her life up. Also - the bf - while cute - too boring. If he is indeed an allegory for Logan than give him some sex and charisma instead of Mr. Bland. If they had spent less time on this and more time interweaving the back stories it would have been less of a filler episode to me. First of all I'm thankful we didn't have to see any more of the Donut comforting Veronica. But I'm not thankful we don't see any more of the Casablancas fallout. Just a crumb, a line somewhere and I would have been happy. But nada, zip. Things I loved about the episode: Wallace - when you assume, you make an ass of you. Hee, hee. I like Wallace showing some backbone but um Wallace - I'm kind of on Jackie's side on the bailout. Yes - Jackie is a biatch that a lot of people hate but having your makeout partner bail because of a phone call from another femme does tend to piss one off. But loved his giggling over Veronica's hooker act. And just to discuss -what is up with all the gender reversal scenes we are seeing. Veronica - with her lesbian gay girl talk and Duncan turning down sex after a shall we say, less than stalwart performance. Is Duncan going to be gay? RT did say Duncan wasn't a gay android but still. Lots and lots of gender reversal things going on this year with the whole post sex Veronica talking like a boy and Duncan playing the girl. So kind of curious where this is all going. I am so, so glad to see Keith give Veronica a rightly deserved smackdown. Go Keith!!!!! And I'm sure he is right - she is only sorry she got caught. I think the whole "Luke I am your father" um sorry Wallace I am your father was pretty much guessed and telegraphed so I found that all a bit anticlimatic. Loved Keith's digitally line - hee, hee - though. Love me some Lamb. Love me some Lamb on Keith action. More, more, more please. Does Weevil's gang look tougher and meaner to anyone this year? Yikes. Loved the clean underwear line. And then we have Logan. Tired, accused of evil once again by Veronica Logan. The only bit of life in this episode. JD can do so much with so little. Everything was perfect to me. I've seen accusations of too much theatrical in his delivery but to me they were spot on perfect. Consistent with his character and exactly the way Logan would react to Veronica on his case again. Well - at least she confronted him this time. My boss just walked up to me and said - hey I agree with you. They need to work Logan back into it more because what's his name is duller than a door. Hee, hee, hee. I stand vindicated. Anyway - off to read those far more analytical and deeper than I. So my conclusion - meh except for moments. A big letdown after Cheatty Cheatty. Awww. Well, first, I sent you an IM. Second, see you saw the jealousy as anvils and I actually liked that part. I think, though, because it went deeper than just the idea of on the surface jealousy in my opinion. I don't think the bf was supposed to be an allegory for Logan. If anything he was an allegory for Duncan but, as you'll see when you read my thoughts, that doesn't fit because it implies that Duncan is in the relationship for her. I think that's what Veronica got out of it but I don't think that was really what the episode was showing us. (ETA: I want to clarify that I think Duncan is in the relationship much for the reasons Veronica is - normalness and to get back what they once had. In other words, they are both kind of trying to reclaim the past and I think it's clear that, while they probably could still be friends, they aren't the same people they fell in love with and, as a result, don't have a lot in common to keep them together. Just look how seperate Veronica's life is from Duncan. We get Veronica's POV and she's hardly with him - which I am grateful for but it is also very telling.) As for cheering when Julie screwed up her life, well... I got the feeling we were supposed to feel that way. Basically that she deserved what she got - for creating a problem instead of just being cautious and looking for one. She is being a hypocrit - wanting to hide her wealth so someone will want her for her but she wants to be able to pick a guy for his wealth. Again - there's tie in here to our main characters but I don't think it's an exact parallel. I could see it tying into Duncan/Veronica/Logan in the sense that Veronica wants a guy to want her and yet she she wants a guy who is normal. She's being a hypocrit because she's not normal and she doesn't engage in normal activities and yet she demands that of her boyfriend. Note that she doesn't ask Duncan to help her with the PI gig. He's from her "normal" life and the PI stuff - the temptation trap - is not a part of that. I also see it as a tie into Veronica/Jackie/Wallace. With Veronica being the one who is creating a problem rather than looking for one in regards to Jackie. Jackie appears to be extremely upfront about herself there - yeah she's hiding some of her personal stuff but she's not hiding her true self from Wallace. Yet, Veronica has a problem with her so she's getting a little blind to the truth. I also see it as a tie into Keith/Alicia/Carl-Nathan. Though I think this is actually the other extreme. Keith is being the exact opposite of Julie in regards to Alicia and he's discovering that harm in trusting too quickly too fast. I suppose there might also be a tie into this storyline regarding why Alicia left Carl-Nathan and how that might parallel to Colin's reasons for keeping himself private. That, in the end, it might be about Alicia loving Keith but having some defenses of her own in place and that's why she's not been completely truthful. It doesn't have to mean she was trying to deceive Keith in a hurtful manner. Just like with Colin, this doesn't make her completely right in her decision but we may find that her reasons are more understandable later. Anyway. I'm rambling and reading way too much into the show again. I had more to say but I need to go over some edits in a proposal and get feedback to my boss. If I can remember what else I was going to add to your comments, I'll be back. See - so much more analytical than I am. I actually agree with everything you wrote. And I agree - that Logan isn't necessarily supposed to be rich guy - I was just saying if he was. The parellels were of course everywhere. And I don't mind the jealousy theme - I just really, really disliked the MOTW which could - if it had been tweaked and better cast played into all this more. Anyway - suffice it to say - I agree. Well put.
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Post by Sue on Oct 21, 2005 11:14:56 GMT -5
Must have been a good ep. Only a few minutes of Logan and yet I was still captivated throughout. Urgh, tho. Had a flu shot AND a pneumonia shot this morning and now feel like I went over a cliff in a bus. (I know, not funny.) See y'all tomorrow. And---of course there's going to be music next week when I review..... Altho......looked at the calendar and Jim has Th-Fr out of town trips 3 of the next 4 weeks. Goooooooooood timing! DISCLAIMER Haven't re-watched. Haven't read comments in depth. But skimmed enough to know that there seems to be some serious disappointment with the ep. Going to swim against the flow. I thought it was a good episode. Lots of new information. Some interesting interaction between Keith and Veronica regarding her lying and "getting caught" and then asking her to come back to work. More mystery involving Alicia. "Wallace, I'm your father." Yeah, trite on the surface, but I'm willing to bet that there a whole ton more to that story. And I like that Wallace is really being fleshed out long term with the girlfriend and now this. Duncan's actions (visiting Meg) and reactions (to Veronica's questions---not real communicative is he?) Veronica once again getting pulled up short because of jumping to conclusions. Why did I like it and others not so much? Maybe because I don't watch it as deeply or intensely or see so many details. (Like the color of Logan's shirt. And I'm just using that as a general example of stuff I personally miss. I'm not saying you shouldn't watch it like that. In fact, sometimes I think I'm not the best person to do reviews because I miss so many details. Other times, tho, I think maybe a more detached viewpoint (let's not say clueless) is good. It's just---I was watching their interaction and listening to the words and never even noticed the shirt.) Maybe I let my expectations be set by the other 167 hours of television time 500 channels out there. And VM still not only meets, but soars above those expectations. I mean, using Buffy for the sake of comparison---this was certainly no Double Meat Palace. I thought it was a good episode. Even by VM standards. I'll have to rewatch to see why. And reread your comments to see why some of you didn't like it, but I just thought I'd post in the meantime in case there are others out there who weren't horribly disappointed and need a bandwagon to jump on.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 21, 2005 12:29:45 GMT -5
Sue - I'm not horribly dissappointed at all. I simply think it was a meh episode that needed to be tightened, edited better, better cast in the guest star department and one of those abrupt did I miss an episode type of things. There was a lot to like.
This was sort of a "Drinking the Kool Aid" episode for me. I enjoy it because it's Veronica Mars and there is so, so much to enjoy because of that but it was no AEFC.
Duncan really drags the energy level down. As my boss said this morning and I'm quoting verbatim:
Pixi: How did you like Veronica Mars the other night?
Boss: It was okay. But you know they really need to get rid of what's his name because he is duller than a doorknob.
This from a fiftyish attorney with no agenda.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 21, 2005 13:22:58 GMT -5
This is great. I love details like this. For the S'cubie board enjoyment from jems in LJ:
Veronica's harddrive is called Perseus. I could not figure out the connection until I got to the last line: "The legend of Perseus was the basis for the film Clash of the Titans, the last movie to feature Ray Harryhausen's stop motion special effects."
Perseus=Harry Hamlin=Aaron Echolls.
Interesting - isn't it? And kind of fun.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 21, 2005 13:31:31 GMT -5
Another very interesting bit of information:
"The Long Haul" was an actually 1950's noir film.
The IMDB discription:
Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- After being discharged from the U.S. Army in Germany, Harry reluctantly follows his wife to England where he lands a job as a truck driver. It is not long before his boss, Joe Easy, tries to involve the ex G.I. in a smuggling operation. Harry first resists but Joe throws Lynn, his own mistress, into his arms and he soon forsakes his scruples. After Lynn has become his lover Harry leaves his wife. When he feels he has made enough money, he considers getting back to the States with Lynn. But just then an accident happens to Butch, his young son..
I think all the posters and movies we've seen are going to play into the mystery somehow. I've seen posters about baseball too.
So now I wonder how Nicholas Cages City of Angels movie plays into the whole thing.
We also saw a Matchstick Men poster. Plus the two other posters next to The Long Haul.
Just all very interesting isn't it?
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Post by raenstorm on Oct 21, 2005 14:01:51 GMT -5
Another very interesting bit of information: "The Long Haul" was an actually 1950's noir film. The IMDB discription: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- After being discharged from the U.S. Army in Germany, Harry reluctantly follows his wife to England where he lands a job as a truck driver. It is not long before his boss, Joe Easy, tries to involve the ex G.I. in a smuggling operation. Harry first resists but Joe throws Lynn, his own mistress, into his arms and he soon forsakes his scruples. After Lynn has become his lover Harry leaves his wife. When he feels he has made enough money, he considers getting back to the States with Lynn. But just then an accident happens to Butch, his young son..I think all the posters and movies we've seen are going to play into the mystery somehow. I've seen posters about baseball too. So now I wonder how Nicholas Cages City of Angels movie plays into the whole thing. We also saw a Matchstick Men poster. Plus the two other posters next to The Long Haul. Just all very interesting isn't it? I think I know where you read about this Anyway - I'm not sure what City of Angels has to do with it - although I am sure it was intentional. After all, seeing all the Nick Cage posters was a clue that it was his house but I'm sure they intentionally picked which ones we actually saw on the wall. I think Matchstick Men is actually the easier of the two to figure out. It's about con men - men who sell themselves as one thing in order to con people out of their money and trust. And, what's interesting about it is that it's a con man pulling a con on another con man using his family - pulling at his heart strings. I'm guessing at Woody here and may be a sign that Woody isn't what he pretends to be? Appearances are deceiving - didn't Sue just point that out to us in her review? And, since it's about a father and a daughter relationship at its core... also important. We have Woody/Gia, Terrence/Jackie, and - of course - Keith/Veronica. Lots of father/daughter scenarios set up this season. I'm sure we'll begin to see how Matchstick Men plays into it later. Right now it seems to best suited as a comparison between Jackie and Terrence since Roy and Angela are basically strangers trying to come to grips with their relationship and how to interact with each other. The only thing I can think about City of Angels right now is the choice between duty and love? Or, between something that seems wonderful on the surface but, without love, actually turns out to be more like an eternal trap. And of course I can see where that would be going but I really don't think everything is about The Triangle so I'm not sure that's the best interpretation.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 21, 2005 14:34:42 GMT -5
Rae - I meant to credit that Long Haul info. I pulled it's description off the Love Shack. The other Nicholas Cage poster description - I have read so many, many LJ entries lately that I don't remember. I know deathisyourart did a lot of discussion of background info. Did you discuss it too? Was it zimshan? If I neglected to give the proper credit - I apologize.
Abuse me. Throw Logan dolls at me. Do you have the new Logan in a towel version? ;D
I didn't discuss Matchstick Men too much because I too agree with you that one is very obvious. Good analysis. That's why I think the Angels one must mean something too - but since I really, really hate that movie, it's harder to analyze.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 21, 2005 14:47:57 GMT -5
Um, holy crap? So...Dad's not dead? Whahuh? Side note: Alicia's got a thing for the cops, it seems. First: Mac! What the hell is Meg doing that she has to hide from her parents? Dim sum and then some? Yikes! Logan's moustache twidling line is just 9 kinds of delightful. OK. Now that my review is posted, I feel like I can join in the discussion. And yep - I loooved the moustache twirling thing. That whole scene was just really nicely done by those two actors.
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