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Post by Lola m on Apr 27, 2006 8:51:16 GMT -5
Sue, thanks for all the sorting out and summing up. Gives me a much better handle on things as we approach 2:22. Three episodes from the end and I have no idea what's gonna happen. Now THAT'S good TV! **nods enthusiastically**
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Post by Sue on Apr 27, 2006 15:14:58 GMT -5
Sue, thanks for all the sorting out and summing up. Gives me a much better handle on things as we approach 2:22. Three episodes from the end and I have no idea what's gonna happen. Now THAT'S good TV! You are most welcome. As for sorting and summing---really that's about all I can do at this point: try to organize the info. I admire those who have actual cogent theories for the crime, but I'm not one of them either. And, man, you were quick. Commenting even before Spring had the announcement up on this thread! Impressive!
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Post by Sue on Apr 27, 2006 15:16:03 GMT -5
Matthew to the rescue!!Matthew cleared up the "disc full" problem, and Sue's VM review is up! But - don't you DARE go read it! You do NOT want to find out what would happen if you went to www.soulfulspike.com and read:
NEVER MIND THE BUTTOCKS: The Art of Misdirection by Sue
DIRECT LINK (please do NOT use it!!): www.soulfulspike.com/vmars/VMep2-19.htm
And whatever you do, NEVER MIND about providing feedback on the VM ep 2-19 thread. What's that you say? But the review is marvelous? For heaven's sake, S'cubie - can't you read? I said NEVER MIND about providing feedback! You do NOT want to find out what would happen if you did that! Heh. ;D I'm still reading the review but I just had to say come back and laugh at Spring's announcement now that I've read the first few paragraph. She's good, isn't she? Reviewing or commenting on Smallville, or even just posting an announcement. Clever Spring.
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Post by Sue on Apr 27, 2006 15:18:08 GMT -5
Sue - bravo! An excellent review which I enjoyed immensely. I loved the list of animal imagery you provided and I never realized or put it together that the barracuda was indeed another animal image. Nice comparison to Kendall. Bwah - that is an excellent line!!!!!! Again - another excellent line and analogy and listing. There are alot of dual identities aren't there? I could not agree more wholeheartedly with this analysis. It's why this was not quite as good as the last two eps before it. This story - the core A story was excellent but the Jackie/Wallace stuff - complete yawnsville and the Weevil stuff - okay. With Weevil - it felt like he had completed his character arc and I enjoyed the sense of closure it delivered. It really has been a great couple of episodes for Weevil. Course this means he is due to either die or have something horrible happen to him in the near future but still, I liked what they did with Weevil this year. His screentime may have been limited but they used it wisely. (Still can't help thinking we could have done with a little less Duncan and more Weevil in the beginning of the year but that's beating a dead horse so . . . . .) I enjoyed the overall theme of Magician's misdirection too. Nevermind the buttocks indeed. Thanks, Pixi. And thanks for commenting too. I'll be interested in hearing whether your theories pan out. Have you heard anything else from the UPN promo folks?
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Post by Sue on Apr 27, 2006 15:21:59 GMT -5
Nice nice nice job on the analysis, Sue! I always like your section headings and the way you structure and break out your thoughts, but I really loved this one in particular. The "top of the food chain" and "business model" areas were faves. Plus, the whole magic/misdirection theme is a perfect one - especially the closer we get to the end of this year's mystery(ies). Look over there! Don't look over there! Both tactics achieving the same end. Clues and red herrings are piling up and each of these most recent eps seems to be grabbing a particular handful of some and displaying them one more time for us to make our guesses. Look at this! Don't look at that! Money, revenge, "just takin' care of business" - why do I feel like the solution is some rather twisted mixture of all these? Yet perhaps with a simple genius we will all look back on and say "whoa", now I see it all! Loved your inclusion of the barracuda in the Animal Planet hijinks! Kendall and/in the barracuda - I totally missed that particular image/metaphor! Also, very nice comparison of the Fitzpatrick's drug business and Woody's attempt at incorporation. Each serving the same customer base in their own way? Do their interests compliment or compete? The identity issues stuff was too too perfect. It brings us back to a theme we've always had in VM - and one that, as you point out, is perfect for a show about teenagers. Each of the bullet points about different characters was excellent, but I especially loved: And And This being Veronica's show, it's not surprising that she is one of the most "fleshed out" of the characters. Or that the regulars (Wallace, Keith, Logan, Weevil, Mac) are also fully fledged "people". But I really admire how much depth Rob T gives his minor characters and even one-offs. In that way, he really reminds me of Joss. You described the Veronica and Keith storyline perfectly. As their two "cases" touched and split and then circled around to meet again at the barracuda and its occupants. So nicely done! Well done, Sue, well done! Oh, and . . . **snicker** Metaphorical buttocks? **snicker, snicker** Finally - other important reminder I was glad you gave us? "Just because Veronica thinks it doesn't make it so." Lola, you are such a sweetie. Thanks for the lovely feedback. Who mentioned (earlier in the thread?) the Sex Pistols' album Never Mind the Bollocks? I'd never heard of it and of course have no clue how (or even whether) it has anything to do with the ep, but I'd still bet that Rob is familiar with it. He so loves to name his episodes with something culturally relevant. Clever guy (even tho I miss half of his allusions.....as well as most of his illusions! )
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Post by Lola m on Apr 27, 2006 17:40:33 GMT -5
Nice nice nice job on the analysis, Sue! I always like your section headings and the way you structure and break out your thoughts, but I really loved this one in particular. The "top of the food chain" and "business model" areas were faves. Plus, the whole magic/misdirection theme is a perfect one - especially the closer we get to the end of this year's mystery(ies). Look over there! Don't look over there! Both tactics achieving the same end. Clues and red herrings are piling up and each of these most recent eps seems to be grabbing a particular handful of some and displaying them one more time for us to make our guesses. Look at this! Don't look at that! Money, revenge, "just takin' care of business" - why do I feel like the solution is some rather twisted mixture of all these? Yet perhaps with a simple genius we will all look back on and say "whoa", now I see it all! Loved your inclusion of the barracuda in the Animal Planet hijinks! Kendall and/in the barracuda - I totally missed that particular image/metaphor! Also, very nice comparison of the Fitzpatrick's drug business and Woody's attempt at incorporation. Each serving the same customer base in their own way? Do their interests compliment or compete? The identity issues stuff was too too perfect. It brings us back to a theme we've always had in VM - and one that, as you point out, is perfect for a show about teenagers. Each of the bullet points about different characters was excellent, but I especially loved: And And This being Veronica's show, it's not surprising that she is one of the most "fleshed out" of the characters. Or that the regulars (Wallace, Keith, Logan, Weevil, Mac) are also fully fledged "people". But I really admire how much depth Rob T gives his minor characters and even one-offs. In that way, he really reminds me of Joss. You described the Veronica and Keith storyline perfectly. As their two "cases" touched and split and then circled around to meet again at the barracuda and its occupants. So nicely done! Well done, Sue, well done! Oh, and . . . **snicker** Metaphorical buttocks? **snicker, snicker** Finally - other important reminder I was glad you gave us? "Just because Veronica thinks it doesn't make it so." Lola, you are such a sweetie. Thanks for the lovely feedback. Who mentioned (earlier in the thread?) the Sex Pistols' album Never Mind the Bollocks? I'd never heard of it and of course have no clue how (or even whether) it has anything to do with the ep, but I'd still bet that Rob is familiar with it. He so loves to name his episodes with something culturally relevant. Clever guy (even tho I miss half of his allusions.....as well as most of his illusions! ) I think Erin mentioned it first and gave links to song lyrics and then I chimed in with my fave songs and so on. I tend to think there's no direct commentary on the ep with this one (indirect mirroring of the themes of the ep and charactes, but no direct meaning implied) - that it's just a clever title. But I'm very willing to be pursuaded if others want to put in their two cents.
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Post by Sue on Apr 27, 2006 18:11:26 GMT -5
Lola, you are such a sweetie. Thanks for the lovely feedback. Who mentioned (earlier in the thread?) the Sex Pistols' album Never Mind the Bollocks? I'd never heard of it and of course have no clue how (or even whether) it has anything to do with the ep, but I'd still bet that Rob is familiar with it. He so loves to name his episodes with something culturally relevant. Clever guy (even tho I miss half of his allusions.....as well as most of his illusions! ) I think Erin mentioned it first and gave links to song lyrics and then I chimed in with my fave songs and so on. I tend to think there's no direct commentary on the ep with this one (indirect mirroring of the themes of the ep and charactes, but no direct meaning implied) - that it's just a clever title. But I'm very willing to be pursuaded if others want to put in their two cents. Carolyn felt that possibly the title was a sly reference to the pervasive gay references and we are being told that the gay subtext is not important to the final solution.
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Post by LadyDi on Apr 27, 2006 18:10:26 GMT -5
[Okay, the guy's name is Liam, he's Irish, he sings horribly, wears a claddagh ring and has no apparent soul. Anybody know if Veronica owns a sword? J ] LOL!! My favorite part of a terrific review. Only, he killed a puppy, instead of saving one. :-p
Somewhat off topic...the song Liam was "singing" along with is mentioned in Dave Barry's Book of Bad Songs, in the chapter Songs Women Hate. If you've never read this book, I heartly recommend it. Be warned, tho', you're guaranteed earworms for days after.
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Post by Sue on Apr 27, 2006 21:54:51 GMT -5
[Okay, the guy's name is Liam, he's Irish, he sings horribly, wears a claddagh ring and has no apparent soul. Anybody know if Veronica owns a sword? J ] LOL!! My favorite part of a terrific review. Only, he killed a puppy, instead of saving one. :-p Somewhat off topic...the song Liam was "singing" along with is mentioned in Dave Barry's Book of Bad Songs, in the chapter Songs Women Hate. If you've never read this book, I heartly recommend it. Be warned, tho', you're guaranteed earworms for days after. Thanks Diane, I just couldn't resist. And, I love Dave Barry!
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Post by Rob on Apr 27, 2006 22:04:20 GMT -5
I generally don't read reviews as much as I'd like, but I took a few minutes to read yours tonight, Sue...and it was really well done. That Angel/Liam sword thought was especially witty.
No one covers buttocks quite like you.
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Post by Sue on Apr 27, 2006 22:30:37 GMT -5
I generally don't read reviews as much as I'd like, but I took a few minutes to read yours tonight, Sue...and it was really well done. That Angel/Liam sword thought was especially witty. No one covers buttocks quite like you. ;D Um, thank you? I think. No really, pleased that you read it and commented. Love your humor Rob.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 28, 2006 7:13:11 GMT -5
[Okay, the guy's name is Liam, he's Irish, he sings horribly, wears a claddagh ring and has no apparent soul. Anybody know if Veronica owns a sword? J ] LOL!! My favorite part of a terrific review. Only, he killed a puppy, instead of saving one. :-p Somewhat off topic...the song Liam was "singing" along with is mentioned in Dave Barry's Book of Bad Songs, in the chapter Songs Women Hate. If you've never read this book, I heartly recommend it. Be warned, tho', you're guaranteed earworms for days after. #rofl1# Killed a puppy instead of saving one. #rofl1#
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