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Post by artemis on Apr 26, 2006 10:58:14 GMT -5
lots of thoughts, which i will hopefully post later for now, was my UPN the only one that blanked out a key word when lucky was talking to keith (almost at the end of their conversation)? if so, would someone please tell me what it is? thank you. At the very end, when he was whispering? 'Cuz I don't think we do hear what he was gonna say about Woody. But I may not be understanding w hat part you are talking about. no - my UPN blocked out something - as in, lucky's mouth was moving but there was(were) no word(s) actually said - in their last conversation before lamb unlocked keith from lucky. i didn't have closed captioning on so i don't know what it was. it was one of the times when lucky was leaning in close to keith semi-whispering. from the fact that they blocked it out, i'm assuming that it was a swear word or something else they thought people might consider offensive, but i suppose it could have just been a technical error.
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Post by Squeemonster on Apr 26, 2006 11:48:01 GMT -5
Ok, I'm exposing my utter lack of knowledge when it comes to hip Internet lingo. I get about 2/3 of the above acronym...but unless they're serving chicken and ribs at the Echolls trial (though that WOULD be a nice touch), the last part escapes me. OMG u mene u missed the BBQ scene? Dood, it was like the coolest part of the whole show!!!1! ;D ;D ;D Sorry. Got a little overexcited there. ;D No, I just remember laughing my ass off when I saw this particular spin on OMG one time when wandering through the internets (can't remember for the life of me where it was.) It was such a funny play on the whole "I'm just so excited I'll hit all these keys" thingee. ;D #metoo# I think the first time I saw it was on LJ, possibly in regards to Lost. Another of my favorite versions is "OMGWTFPOLARBEAR!" I fall into hysterical giggles every time I see it. ;D
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Post by Squeemonster on Apr 26, 2006 11:56:19 GMT -5
He really is such a cutie patootie, isn't he? All good looking and nice and not even really minding that she's just trying to get info. So not on the Leo train. Leo was just such a bland, boring interlude for me. I can honestly say I preferred the Duncan eps over the Leo eps. I loved the way Gia called him on his mumbling because that drove me CRAZY last season. Um . . . . not meaning to rain on anyone's Leo parade. The actor just does nothing for me. Hey, different strokes for different strokes--it's what makes things more interesting. ;D And I've gotta have somebody from this show since Logan belongs to you.
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Post by Anne B on Apr 26, 2006 12:14:30 GMT -5
I'm going to make enemies but whatever.
Only two episodes left and such a waste of time except for the Woody/Keith/Lucky storyline and,may be,the Chlamydia one.
Twenty five minutes for the big mystery of the year.
And twenty minutes of useless mush and alternate prom.
Most of you like the Logan/Veronica melodrama but it's too much Dawson Creek for me,sorry.
That couple's sucking as much time from the show that Wallace and Jackie...that so few people love together. But make Logan and Veronica trade place with Wallace and Jackie and every Love shipper would think that the "in bed/first time " story was genius...and vice-versa.Gaaah!
Pink L/V glasses are the trend these days.No matter what's on screen if they're together on it,right?
Then,of course, when they have heartfelt/pouring their feelings out / discussions...So great! I don't share the enthusiasm,sure, but everybody is entitled to its opinion.The eyes of the beholder...
But "God! What a cliché!" would say Veronica if she was a real person. So soap-y!
And that ending was so cheap!
The lovebirds separated because the other woman shows up at the worst possible moment and Veronica running because she feels betrayed... Done and done again,Mr Thomas! I can write this in my sleep. I kept thinking during that scene that RT wouldn't stoop so low,he couldn't...Alas.
I keep wondering why Veronica didn't tell Logan,at a moment or another, all she knew about Kendall/Priscilla .She's potentially dangerous for our Dear Boy. But,nope...Veronica runs away and cries because her heart's breaking. Unbelievable.
OT.
I wonder if VM's difficulties in the ratings don't come partly from the dichotomy of its viewers.
Shippers that mostly watch for V/L and the HS stuff and the other part not very interested in the "ships" (Well,bored most likely...) and liking mostly the Noir aspect of the show.
That show's confusing in what it stands for. Not completly teen,not completly Noir...and it must rebuke a good part of potential viewers.
RT's walking a fine line,trying to throw bones to everyone and,unfortunately,it's not always working. At least for me. Sometimes,I feel completly disconnected,bored,wondering why I'm still watching...Then the story changes gears and I'm interested again.Needs devotion.Is everybody up for it? Not sure.
Let's hope the last two episodes won't be too overcrowded... because I wonder how they're going to tie all the loose ends with so few time left. Aaron's trial.Bus crash...And all the sub-plots.Ouch!
It's Prométhée pushing its boulder up.Let's hope it won't bundle down badly... Um... Herculean 'work' would be a more appropriate metaphor.*G*
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Post by Pixi on Apr 26, 2006 12:51:32 GMT -5
So not on the Leo train. Leo was just such a bland, boring interlude for me. I can honestly say I preferred the Duncan eps over the Leo eps. I loved the way Gia called him on his mumbling because that drove me CRAZY last season. Um . . . . not meaning to rain on anyone's Leo parade. The actor just does nothing for me. Hey, different strokes for different strokes--it's what makes things more interesting. ;D And I've gotta have somebody from this show since Logan belongs to you. Hee, hee. True, true. And a lot of people like Leo - he just doesn't work for me. Enunciating is a key pet peeve of mine - acting wise. Though Logan has mumbled at times in his delivery too. It's just that the entire acting package is so much higher, his occasional mumbles don't bother me as much.
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Post by Pixi on Apr 26, 2006 12:54:00 GMT -5
To me the show is as much about Veronica relationships as it as about the mystery so the Veronica/Logan stuff was great to me. Noir always focuses on the protagonist and the motivations and actions of those in the noir. Deep, dark, murky, grey - I think of Double Indemnity and I think of what Fred McMurray's character goes through as key to the entire mystery.
But hey Anne- if everyone felt the same, life would be boring. I clearly disagree with you but that's okay. I won't get specific.
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Post by Onjel on Apr 26, 2006 15:56:55 GMT -5
Hey, Anne B, I guess we can't all like the same things, as Pixi says. I'm sorry you aren't enjoying the show as much as you would like. I'm with you on the hoping the next two episodes aren't rushed. I will be disappointed if they are.
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Post by Anne B on Apr 26, 2006 17:43:42 GMT -5
I'm a fan of Noir too. Relationships,love life of the protagonists are an important part of its attraction,you're right,but... The love stories in Noir are bleak,complicated,doomed most of the time, but not overly sentimental.Never.That's why they are compelling.
Veronica and Logan are teen romance,not Noir.
Noir relationships are subtle,passionate,emotionally intense but always ringing true... This,with Veronica running away...RT wanted to get a kneejerk reaction from his viewers. The "Poor Veronica!Poor Logan!It's so sad!" type of reaction. Cheap and manipulative.I hate that!
RT tries to mix a teen romance with a simili Noir Universe and IMHO,it works most of the time... and clashes badly sometimes.
It's like trying to mix oil and water for me but if it works for you,great.I don't deny people have different tastes and they have the right to...Thank God for that!
Democracy,such a wonderful word! *g* and I spent too much time on TWOP this morning (God!We're not watching the same show.I'm sure!) hence the provocative post.May be not the best reaction to irritation.Sorry.The rant wasn't directed at any of you.
PC's not my forte anyway.
Peace.
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Post by Michelle on Apr 26, 2006 17:51:20 GMT -5
I'm going to make enemies but whatever. But "God! What a cliché!" would say Veronica if she was a real person. So soap-y! And that ending was so cheap! The lovebirds separated because the other woman shows up at the worst possible moment and Veronica running because she feels betrayed... Done and done again,Mr Thomas! I can write this in my sleep. I kept thinking during that scene that RT wouldn't stoop so low,he couldn't...Alas. I have to say, I do agree with you in that one respect. That last scene was very cliche, and I was quite surprised to come to this board and read again and again how "realistic" it was. I should have known that Logan and Veronica starting to make a connection again couldn't last for long and the writers would have to throw some kind of anvil at them, but I was unpleasantly surprised nonetheless. There was a similar scene in "The Wedding Singer," except it was actually more original, because in that case Drew Barrymore only thought Adam Sandler slept with another woman. (And it includes the classic line, "Please get out of my Van Halen t-shirt before you jinx the band and they break up. " ) The saving grace for that last scene was how well it was acted. Kristen Bell was just amazing. Veronica's reaction as she realized that Logan didn't remember what he said, and then again as she discovered he wasn't alone was killer. Her face crumbling in the elevator broke me a little. And Jason Dohring was impressive as well. He just stood there, so dumbstruck by her confession, clearly mirroring Veronica's dumbstruck expression when he told her how he felt about her at the Alterna-Prom. Even if you're not a fan of the LoVe relationship, you HAVE to give it up to the two actors. They work together so well, and have an undeniable chemistry. Not so unbelievable, really. That's pretty much Veronica's m.o., yes? The first time they kissed at the Camelot she was clearly freaked out, and without a word she got in her car and drove away. I'd say her reaction was very true to character. But I do have a beef with Logan for taking up with Kendall again. It's funny. Logan has done many, many wrong things for which he's been given a pass because he's so charismatic. But this time, I'm not so willing to do that. He knew that Veronica was investigating Kendall since she's the beneficiary to her stepsons' life insurance policy, and he knew that Kendall didn't have an alibi for the time of the bus crash. So Kendall has both motive and opportunity for killing his classmates, but Logan sleeps with her anyway. And yes, I know that can be excused with "He was drunk" and "He didn't believe Kendall is capable of masterminding the crash" but I'm not willing to forgive him so easily. You messed up, Logan. You messed up BIG. But aside from my disappointment in John Enbom for dusting off that tired old cliche, I found a lot to enjoy in this episode. Mac is wonderful--every line she uttered made me smile. "Prayer works!" Haa! I like Butters too, he speaks to the geek in me. (Though if I were Mac, I would have insisted he ditch the fedora.) I got a kick out of a lot of the secondary and tertiary characters. Aside from Mac and Butters, I enjoyed everything involving Dick, Madison, Corny, Leo and Mr. Wu. Gia falls into the "just OK" category for me, but I loved her comment that Leo is cute, if mumbly. So true, Gia, so true. Huh. See, that's what I LIKE about the show. It's blazing its own path by not being completely one thing or another. The best shows are difficult to categorize. It was what made Buffy both so misunderstood by the ignorant masses and so well loved by those who truly got it. I hope you give VM another chance. It's not perfect, but it's better than pretty much everything else on TV right now.
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Post by teacherdarling1 on Apr 26, 2006 19:22:15 GMT -5
Maybe Logan did not sleep with Kendall, maybe we will find out a little roofie made him forget the evening events. Maybe RT has bigger plans for what happened so it won't be so cliche, But Veronica's face was just so sad at the end. I felt her pain as the elevators closed
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Post by Matthew on Apr 27, 2006 0:43:39 GMT -5
I'm going to make enemies but whatever. Only two episodes left and such a waste of time except for the Woody/Keith/Lucky storyline and,may be,the Chlamydia one. Twenty five minutes for the big mystery of the year. And twenty minutes of useless mush and alternate prom. Most of you like the Logan/Veronica melodrama but it's too much Dawson Creek for me,sorry. That couple's sucking as much time from the show that Wallace and Jackie...that so few people love together. But make Logan and Veronica trade place with Wallace and Jackie and every Love shipper would think that the "in bed/first time " story was genius...and vice-versa.Gaaah! Pink L/V glasses are the trend these days.No matter what's on screen if they're together on it,right? Then,of course, when they have heartfelt/pouring their feelings out / discussions...So great! I don't share the enthusiasm,sure, but everybody is entitled to its opinion.The eyes of the beholder... But "God! What a cliché!" would say Veronica if she was a real person. So soap-y! And that ending was so cheap! The lovebirds separated because the other woman shows up at the worst possible moment and Veronica running because she feels betrayed... Done and done again,Mr Thomas! I can write this in my sleep. I kept thinking during that scene that RT wouldn't stoop so low,he couldn't...Alas. I keep wondering why Veronica didn't tell Logan,at a moment or another, all she knew about Kendall/Priscilla .She's potentially dangerous for our Dear Boy. But,nope...Veronica runs away and cries because her heart's breaking. Unbelievable. OT. I wonder if VM's difficulties in the ratings don't come partly from the dichotomy of its viewers. Shippers that mostly watch for V/L and the HS stuff and the other part not very interested in the "ships" (Well,bored most likely...) and liking mostly the Noir aspect of the show. That show's confusing in what it stands for. Not completly teen,not completly Noir...and it must rebuke a good part of potential viewers. RT's walking a fine line,trying to throw bones to everyone and,unfortunately,it's not always working. At least for me. Sometimes,I feel completly disconnected,bored,wondering why I'm still watching...Then the story changes gears and I'm interested again.Needs devotion.Is everybody up for it? Not sure. Let's hope the last two episodes won't be too overcrowded... because I wonder how they're going to tie all the loose ends with so few time left. Aaron's trial.Bus crash...And all the sub-plots.Ouch! It's Prométhée pushing its boulder up.Let's hope it won't bundle down badly... Um... Herculean 'work' would be a more appropriate metaphor.*G* I Welcome to the Soulful Spike Society! Please feel free to join us, and debate the merits of this show! I would also ask you to read our rules as well, when you do so. We have no problems with you stating what you feel was good or bad about the show, or the acting, or the writing, or even Jason Dohring's haircut, though we prefer that those who post here refrain from "bashing" the characters or the other posters, based on their character or 'ship preferences. More details under that link there. We welcome spirited debate, so long as we can keep it from getting too personal: there is no place for hardcore 'shipper wars here. And on to the topic.... As for a dichotomy in the viewership being responsible for the slipping ratings... I suppose it's possible: I know that I wouldn't be able to watch it if it were unrelieved Dawson's Creek type teen angst: but if, say, all BtVS had been was that, I'd never have got hooked on it, either. The mix draws me in: they can't all have Clarence "I rock so hardcore there are no words to describe it, and I wear a Fedora like nobody's business" Wiedeman in them, but they aren't all angst and melodrama, too. The show, to me, has its realistic elements in the fact that all sorts of "life" happens to these people at all different times, regardless of the storyline: and I like a good melodrama, myself, in limited doses(was laughing my tuchus off at the scene where she's trying to con the wig saleslady into giving her the address and name of the girl who bought one, with the rising soap opera music in the background). It has its realistic elements in the fact that the drives and desires of passionate people figure into the grand scheme of events, and catch others in the crossfire. On the degree of coincidince that occurs? The show stretches believeabillity just about beyond the breaking point, at times, but I write that off to poetic license, myself: the story couldn't be told without the neat mesh of mysteries. Mac's blood sister is reading The Westing Game when we first meet her: a young person's novel of "Nothing is as it may seem: skim milk masquerades as cream" with a Noirish mystery novel's huge pile of coincidences. So with this show itself. I'm of the opinion that the poor ratings the show's received have been partly to lack of exposure, partly to the difficulty people feel in walking into a long-arc mystery right in the middle, and partly from incredibly idiotic scheduling: putting it across from LOST like a sacrificial goat. Oh, and the fact that the ratings system does NOT reflect the number of people who actually watch a show, accurately, since the advent of recording devices. Assume the "In my opinion" about all that above: I found your viewpoints on it interesting, and not the slightest bit off-topic. Meta discussion is welcome, so long as it doesn't violate the rules(i.e. "bashing" or revealing spoilers for unaired eps). I think RT can pull it all together in these next two episodes: he managed roughly the same kind of stunt last year. But he may leave some loose threads to tie up in year three. And personally? I'm an Eli/Logan 'shipper. "Logeli"? "Elogan"? Nah, not really a 'shipper on this show: just along for the ride.
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Post by KMInfinity on Apr 27, 2006 17:32:39 GMT -5
Since I have a lot of respect for RT I'm thinking Kendall's appearance wasn't merely to break up V and L in a scene I agree was cliche, but somehow connects to the big mystery. It's suggested her marriage to Dick Sr was a sham, and she wanted a boy toy, so she hooked up with Logan. But we've also learned she isn't really Kendall, and she went to prison to save Liam's brother Cormac from a "third strike." This doesn't sound like someone who is too dumb to make cereal and is looking for a superficial sex playmate.
So I'm wondering. Is RT using Kendall's role as the relationship spoiler between V & L as a smokescreen? Is she using Logan for something other than sex, with or without his knowledge? I know someone suggested maybe she had a side con of her own going with Logan as the target...but I just get the feeling the Logan-Kendall connection has a bigger significance than *merely* as an obstacle to V & L's relationship.
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Post by Sue on Apr 27, 2006 18:14:16 GMT -5
Since I have a lot of respect for RT I'm thinking Kendall's appearance wasn't merely to break up V and L in a scene I agree was cliche, but somehow connects to the big mystery. It's suggested her marriage to Dick Sr was a sham, and she wanted a boy toy, so she hooked up with Logan. But we've also learned she isn't really Kendall, and she went to prison to save Liam's brother Cormac from a "third strike." This doesn't sound like someone who is too dumb to make cereal and is looking for a superficial sex playmate. So I'm wondering. Is RT using Kendall's role as the relationship spoiler between V & L as a smokescreen? Is she using Logan for something other than sex, with or without his knowledge? I know someone suggested maybe she had a side con of her own going with Logan as the target...but I just get the feeling the Logan-Kendall connection has a bigger significance than *merely* as an obstacle to V & L's relationship. Especially now that she's hooked up with Aaron and is running his errands. Imagine Logan testifying about the inappropriateness of Aaron having sex with Lily and then Kendall getting on the stand and undercutting his moral stance by pointing out that the son has a similarly (well, not statutory rape of course) immoral relationship will a much older married woman.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 27, 2006 19:11:16 GMT -5
Chlamydia?! Does such an announcement ever really happen over the school PA? Like father, like daughter, eh? So, if the question is if Duncan slept with Kendall, then Logan and Kendall et alwould possibly have chalmydia as well. If not, then who passed it on? high school meta Alternaprom Bad Woody, bad! Ah, another home video Incorporation voted down. For real? Is that it then, or will there be more? It's Aaron's cell mate! Lucky is the stalker/home video leaver Ref to Space Elevator! Kickass. Veronica baiting Madison. so funny! Love this Logan/Veronica conversation Oh, come on!!!! Mr. Manning bailed him out? So Woody is with the weird cult thing or whatever that the Mannings are involved in. weirdos theme. Veronica/Logan meta And he's with Kendall again. *Very* bad news.
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Post by Karen on Apr 27, 2006 20:19:12 GMT -5
Chlamydia?! Does such an announcement ever really happen over the school PA? Like father, like daughter, eh? So, if the question is if Duncan slept with Kendall, then Logan and Kendall et alwould possibly have chalmydia as well. If not, then who passed it on? high school meta Alternaprom Bad Woody, bad! Ah, another home video Incorporation voted down. For real? Is that it then, or will there be more? It's Aaron's cell mate! Lucky is the stalker/home video leaver Ref to Space Elevator! Kickass.Veronica baiting Madison. so funny! Love this Logan/Veronica conversation Oh, come on!!!! Mr. Manning bailed him out? So Woody is with the weird cult thing or whatever that the Mannings are involved in. weirdos theme. Veronica/Logan meta And he's with Kendall again. *Very* bad news. Space Elevator - my kid told me about that one a year or two ago.
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