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Post by LadyDi on Oct 11, 2006 21:45:37 GMT -5
L-D: Congrats on 900 (well, 901) posts![/quote] LOL! I hadn't even noticed. Someday I might actually break a thousand!
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Post by KMInfinity on Oct 13, 2006 21:37:43 GMT -5
This played like a random kind of episode for me so:
*I am NOT a fan of Greek life on campus, so I am shallowly irritated that the Theta watchamacallem’s weren’t guilty as sin. Of course, that seemed like an awful lot of pot for one person’s medicinal use. And maybe they aren’t in the clear after all, in the long run, concerning the rape issue.
*So Keith donates the proceeds from the painting to the food bank. No one will wonder? Hmmmm And he didn’t keep back a bit for Veronica? That seems un-Keithlike for some reason.
*Still not sure Kendall is dead.
*Never thought I’d say this, but I’m starting to warm up to Dick.
*The prison game was unrealistic, but very interesting. I wonder if it’s significant that the jerk guard was described by Horshack as not really being a jerk after all. Suggesting some other guilty-seeming folks aren’t as bad as they seem?
*I am enjoying how Logan and Veronica’s relationship is being presented. We get little glimpses, and it’s clear their lives don’t revolve around each other, and they have this tension still.
*I still hate the new opening creds.
*I really liked how the scenes with Mac played.
*Missing Weevil.
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Post by LadyDi on Oct 15, 2006 13:52:31 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see what, if any, part the sorority has to play in the rapes on campus. Not that I'm defending frat boys, but yes, let's look at this from another perspective. I much prefer RT's less radical agenda. After all, holding one gender up as being superior to the other is what got us in this mess in the first place.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 15, 2006 19:32:11 GMT -5
Zeta Theta
Wolf Cry II? ASS!!!!
So, most campuses have campus police. And we're missing some explanation as to why the county police would immediately involved here. Other than Lamb is a regular.
So he was shaving her head while raping her?
Keith's desert journey. Wonder when he's going to see the naked Indian.
Mmm... torture.
Logan shows up to class.
Logan's jaded.
Stanford Prison Experiment take II? Wonder if it's going to go as well as the first one.
Life changing? What is up with Moe?
Sorority- *Theta* Beta
How convenient that Veronica gets this assignment
This reminds me of my own failed sorority rush attempt
Parker is from Denver
Parker is a lot more sympathetic now.
Wow, this is surreal.
frak again. hee.
Margorie seems all right.
Horeshack
So the real party's at night.
Bouncy boobs
Pi Sigs
Dick. Ugh.
Chip. From Rapes of Graff.
The Faux Lesbian Dance. Hee.
Mr. Sparky. ;D
vomit is the new mace
ask the safe ride driver. clever.
So it's just that one dude. And it didn't take this prisoner experiment for him to really get out of whack.
Lovely Veronica/Keith scene
parents. ugh.
Nish.
Moe drove Parker home. Safe Ride driver's are in a good position to take advantage of drunk girls. But these girls were roofied first, yes? So that wouldn't wouldn't make sense.
Also, it's too early to reveal who the rapist really is.
Well, one way to prevent giving away the info is not remembering it correctly.
Who is this woman? Oh, a den mother. They still have those?
Prison break! Is that breaking the rules?
Is it Zeta Theta or Theta Beta?
Pot?
10 frat houses total.
Moral confict.
Can't break Logan. Or can you?
Hee! They played him! Nice.
Knowledge is power.
So a famous painting was in the suitcase.
BWAH!!
Thank happens to me all the time. #rofl#
Hey, Veronica, library jobs are fun!
I really liked how the three plotlines fit together in the episode.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 16, 2006 7:07:12 GMT -5
S’cubies! Rush on over to read the new VM review!!The Veronica Mars review of Episode 3-2 is now available. Go to www.soulfulspike.com and read :[/size] MY BIG FAT GREEK RUSH WEEK: Family Ties – by Spring Summers You can also access it directly by clicking on the image, below:Separated at birth If you’re so inclined, please give me your feedback over on the VM ep 3.2 thread, here.[/b]
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Post by Vlad on Oct 16, 2006 10:13:13 GMT -5
Wow! Nice, nice review Spring! Knocked it out of the park! I have to be leaving here in mere minutes or I would go through your points and chat them up. (Cause, you know, they look lonely and like they could use a friend... maybe a drink... ) Seriously, excellent job! I never thought of the "sibling/family" connections everything had before at all. I will have to read it again later tonight and post some real thoughts! Thanks for continuing to be one of the S3 powerhitters! Vlad
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Post by Jan on Oct 16, 2006 15:00:12 GMT -5
As usual, Spring, I loved your thoughts on this ep. In answer to your questions at the end, my take on the "cabin in the desert" sitch is: When Cormac saw how little cash Kendall had with her, he thought her saying the money was "in" the painting was bull and killed her. Keith grabbed the pen from the car before leaving. He used it to bait the trap for either of the brothers--wouldn't matter to him. Liam would come to the signal, probably before Cormac passed by. Cormac would see the pen and go to see what it was, maybe getting caught in the trap. Liam might come to the signal and find Cormac there. All/any of these would work to take the heat off Keith getting chased. Kendall is buried outside the cabin somewhere. Cormac said he wasn't going to follow Keith until the morning, so he had plenty of time to clean up. Keith would take Kendall's case because the money came (indirectly) from Woody and Cassidy, and all he had to do was pick up Cormac, who had served his time, and take him to Kendall--knowing that Liam was going to be a problem (otherwise there'd be no need for Cormac and Kendall to get so complicated in the first place). Keith would donate all the money from the painting because it was dirty from the beginning and he wouldn't want any part of it. However, I think we may have Liam coming after Keith looking for the money. The only thing in this that I can't suspend belief for is that Keith wouldn't have checked his briefcase after Vinnie handled it. Well, that's my deux centimes, anyway. And that was WAY too much pot for one person's medicinal use, so no, I don't buy that story. And the kid's forgiving the Nazi guard simply wasn't that believable for me.
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Post by Michelle on Oct 16, 2006 20:29:56 GMT -5
Spring!! Loved your review--like very, very much!
I caught the "you're one of us" references, but you really enlightened me on the brother/sister connections. And this is really amazing:
And I was especially struck by this comment on the Veronica/Logan relationship:
Yes!!! What I love about your reviews is how well you mix the profound with your easy humor. You don't preach, but you get your point across.
And you end your review just right:
Like you, I'm having a lot of problems understanding the Keith/Kendall storyline as well. And worse, I don't really care. That concerns me.
Plus, there are a couple things that might be nit-picky, but bother me just the same. One thing: the sheriff and his boys find blood on the picture frame that holds the expensive painting, and he instructs his deputy to bag it up for evidence. So, the deputy takes the picture out of the frame. That just isn't believable, and frankly doesn't make sense. What if there was evidence of some sort (like say...fingerprints!) on the picture itself? But, it happened that way so Keith could take the painting to get it auctioned off, and for no other reason. That kind of writing rubs me the wrong way.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 17, 2006 7:31:21 GMT -5
Wow! Nice, nice review Spring! Knocked it out of the park! I have to be leaving here in mere minutes or I would go through your points and chat them up. (Cause, you know, they look lonely and like they could use a friend... maybe a drink... ) Seriously, excellent job! I never thought of the "sibling/family" connections everything had before at all. I will have to read it again later tonight and post some real thoughts! Thanks for continuing to be one of the S3 powerhitters! Vlad Thanks for the nice feedback, Vlad. I like the characterization as a "powerhitter," and I'd like to say right up front that I do not use steriods.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 17, 2006 7:39:29 GMT -5
As usual, Spring, I loved your thoughts on this ep. In answer to your questions at the end, my take on the "cabin in the desert" sitch is: When Cormac saw how little cash Kendall had with her, he thought her saying the money was "in" the painting was bull and killed her. Keith grabbed the pen from the car before leaving. He used it to bait the trap for either of the brothers--wouldn't matter to him. Liam would come to the signal, probably before Cormac passed by. Cormac would see the pen and go to see what it was, maybe getting caught in the trap. Liam might come to the signal and find Cormac there. All/any of these would work to take the heat off Keith getting chased. Kendall is buried outside the cabin somewhere. Cormac said he wasn't going to follow Keith until the morning, so he had plenty of time to clean up. Keith would take Kendall's case because the money came (indirectly) from Woody and Cassidy, and all he had to do was pick up Cormac, who had served his time, and take him to Kendall--knowing that Liam was going to be a problem (otherwise there'd be no need for Cormac and Kendall to get so complicated in the first place). Keith would donate all the money from the painting because it was dirty from the beginning and he wouldn't want any part of it. However, I think we may have Liam coming after Keith looking for the money. The only thing in this that I can't suspend belief for is that Keith wouldn't have checked his briefcase after Vinnie handled it. Well, that's my deux centimes, anyway. And that was WAY too much pot for one person's medicinal use, so no, I don't buy that story. And the kid's forgiving the Nazi guard simply wasn't that believable for me. Thanks for the feedback, Jan! Your Kendall sitch comments are helpful to get me thinking, and . . . I am now thinking like this . . . -- Vinnie's pen was needed to allow Liam to track Cormac, since Cormac was leaving the penitentiary, and could not carry such a thing himself. Now - it still seems kinda lame, because why not just take the time to butter up Kendall with lovey-dovey talk, find out all about the money and her plans, get out of the country, kill Kendall outside the USA, AND THEN hook up with Liam? -- Keith sees the pen. Upon seeing it, he realizes Kendall may be in trouble. He rushes back to the house, shouting for Kendall. Cormac hears the shoulting, and realizes Keith has found the pen, and is likely "on to him" and Liam, so he shoots Kendall. -- Keith is wounded, but hobbles off, with the pen. He sets up the trap for Cormac, to, at the very least, get Cormac off of his back. -- Cormac gets trapped. Liam finds him. He says, "where's the money??" Cormac doesn't know, because he hastily killed Kendall, and then searched and searched for the money, but could not find it. Liam kills Cormac. -- Keith figures out the money is in the painting. He takes it. Full of guilt over being unable to save Kendall and unwittingly playing a part in her betrayal and death, he takes the painting to sell it for charity.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 17, 2006 7:51:01 GMT -5
Spring!! Loved your review--like very, very much! I caught the "you're one of us" references, but you really enlightened me on the brother/sister connections. And this is really amazing: If you rewatch, you'll hear those "family" type comments made non-stop. Sometimes it is about actual family members, but there are also a lot of references to groups people belong to, whose side someone is on - i.e., to how people are connected, in general. Nice of you to say - I do not like to read "preachy" so I try to avoid it in my own writing. Good to hear I've been, at least to some extent, successful. Yes - the Kendall storyline is, right now, something of a snoozer. If it's over, then . . . it really has served no purpose. But maybe it's not over, and will work into the whole thing somehow, this season. Agree about the "taking the pic out of the frame." I don't think a real police officer would do this with evidence. But onward and upward with the season! #xfingers# on it getting picked up for the whole season.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 17, 2006 11:54:28 GMT -5
Nice job, Spring! The two main themes that you stressed really fit the episode, but also, I think, this season. Because they are both very true for that "post high school" time.
As an adult, one of the ways you add to your family is by moving out into the world and meeting more people. Adding friends, adding relationships. The ideas of expanded family and exploring different “clans” is a classic college (or work world – the other possible path of a new “grown-up”) experience.
As you said:
As to the mystery of Lian and Cormac and Kendall (oh my), I think we’re meant to be still confused about all the details of what went down and why. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think there are more revelations yet to come.
By the way, I always really like the way you use contrast and compare: rational and irrational; best and worst ends of the spectrum; need to belong, need to be independent; keeping power, taking power, losing power; breaking in, breaking out; etc. You have a knack for finding the . . . . feel of an episode.
Brava!
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Post by Jan on Oct 18, 2006 12:10:36 GMT -5
As usual, Spring, I loved your thoughts on this ep. In answer to your questions at the end, my take on the "cabin in the desert" sitch is: When Cormac saw how little cash Kendall had with her, he thought her saying the money was "in" the painting was bull and killed her. Keith grabbed the pen from the car before leaving. He used it to bait the trap for either of the brothers--wouldn't matter to him. Liam would come to the signal, probably before Cormac passed by. Cormac would see the pen and go to see what it was, maybe getting caught in the trap. Liam might come to the signal and find Cormac there. All/any of these would work to take the heat off Keith getting chased. Kendall is buried outside the cabin somewhere. Cormac said he wasn't going to follow Keith until the morning, so he had plenty of time to clean up. Keith would take Kendall's case because the money came (indirectly) from Woody and Cassidy, and all he had to do was pick up Cormac, who had served his time, and take him to Kendall--knowing that Liam was going to be a problem (otherwise there'd be no need for Cormac and Kendall to get so complicated in the first place). Keith would donate all the money from the painting because it was dirty from the beginning and he wouldn't want any part of it. However, I think we may have Liam coming after Keith looking for the money. The only thing in this that I can't suspend belief for is that Keith wouldn't have checked his briefcase after Vinnie handled it. Well, that's my deux centimes, anyway. And that was WAY too much pot for one person's medicinal use, so no, I don't buy that story. And the kid's forgiving the Nazi guard simply wasn't that believable for me. Thanks for the feedback, Jan! Your Kendall sitch comments are helpful to get me thinking, and . . . I am now thinking like this . . . -- Vinnie's pen was needed to allow Liam to track Cormac, since Cormac was leaving the penitentiary, and could not carry such a thing himself. Now - it still seems kinda lame, because why not just take the time to butter up Kendall with lovey-dovey talk, find out all about the money and her plans, get out of the country, kill Kendall outside the USA, AND THEN hook up with Liam? -- Keith sees the pen. Upon seeing it, he realizes Kendall may be in trouble. He rushes back to the house, shouting for Kendall. Cormac hears the shoulting, and realizes Keith has found the pen, and is likely "on to him" and Liam, so he shoots Kendall. -- Keith is wounded, but hobbles off, with the pen. He sets up the trap for Cormac, to, at the very least, get Cormac off of his back. -- Cormac gets trapped. Liam finds him. He says, "where's the money??" Cormac doesn't know, because he hastily killed Kendall, and then searched and searched for the money, but could not find it. Liam kills Cormac. -- Keith figures out the money is in the painting. He takes it. Full of guilt over being unable to save Kendall and unwittingly playing a part in her betrayal and death, he takes the painting to sell it for charity. This makes more sense than what I said, Spring. Thanks.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 19, 2006 13:35:16 GMT -5
Nice job, Spring! The two main themes that you stressed really fit the episode, but also, I think, this season. Because they are both very true for that "post high school" time. As an adult, one of the ways you add to your family is by moving out into the world and meeting more people. Adding friends, adding relationships. The ideas of expanded family and exploring different “clans” is a classic college (or work world – the other possible path of a new “grown-up”) experience. As you said: As to the mystery of Lian and Cormac and Kendall (oh my), I think we’re meant to be still confused about all the details of what went down and why. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think there are more revelations yet to come. By the way, I always really like the way you use contrast and compare: rational and irrational; best and worst ends of the spectrum; need to belong, need to be independent; keeping power, taking power, losing power; breaking in, breaking out; etc. You have a knack for finding the . . . . feel of an episode. Brava! Thanks for the great feedback, Lola. Yes - you are probably right that we aren't meant to 100% understand what happened with Kendall and Cormac and Liam. I do believe it is going to somehow play into things further down the line this season.
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Post by LadyDi on Oct 29, 2006 14:21:47 GMT -5
Nice job, Spring! The two main themes that you stressed really fit the episode, but also, I think, this season. Because they are both very true for that "post high school" time. As an adult, one of the ways you add to your family is by moving out into the world and meeting more people. Adding friends, adding relationships. The ideas of expanded family and exploring different “clans” is a classic college (or work world – the other possible path of a new “grown-up”) experience. As you said: As to the mystery of Lian and Cormac and Kendall (oh my), I think we’re meant to be still confused about all the details of what went down and why. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think there are more revelations yet to come. By the way, I always really like the way you use contrast and compare: rational and irrational; best and worst ends of the spectrum; need to belong, need to be independent; keeping power, taking power, losing power; breaking in, breaking out; etc. You have a knack for finding the . . . . feel of an episode.
Brava! I just wanted to second this, even tho' I don't have much to add. As far as the mysteries go, I seem to be more 'along for the ride' than actually trying to figure things out.
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