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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 15, 2006 17:48:03 GMT -5
That is the second time in a short time that Logan has "ridden to the rescue" of Veronica. (Beaver on the rooftop being the other time.) It was OK, and it fit with the storyline of Veronica continuing to understand that the people around her aren't "heroes and villains" but more complex than that. But still, I hope there isn't too much more "rescue the damsel" stuff. I would sort of like to see a fellow chick the rescue, the next time Veronica gets in over her head. Like Parker shows up or something. |
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Post by Lola m on Nov 15, 2006 18:09:14 GMT -5
Since I'm not writing reviews I also haven't been rewatching. And I've been interrupted nearly every week and missed bits and pieces. Even tho the arc will be completed by then I am really looking forward to rewatching all the episodes back to back over Christmas with Carolyn and Allison. My money is still on the Dean. Sorry, but I do not care at all for Harmony. Possibly because I don't like her with Keith. Possibly because I have a really hard time with people being so intimately drawn to one another so rapidly---whether true or just a result of viewing time constraints we haven't really seen H and K spending oddles of time together really getting to know one another. I mean, I can sort of understand say an intra-office affair because people working together spend a lot of time together etc. But if you know someone is married then....you don't even start down the path of "getting to know them" better. Maybe it's just the whole storyline I don't like. Maybe that's due to my own internal issues with the concept. But.....the whole thing just doesn't play right to be. Keith and Harmony both seem forced. I guess I'm saying that I really don't see any "chemistry" at all, which makes it all that much harder to buy the affair. The way she acted this week soured me totally on Harmony. She's just soooo needy. So needy, that she's willing to . . . kind of awkwardly play the temptress, trying to manipulate Keith into going against his better judgment. I was glad Keith stuck to his guns. That is the second time in a short time that Logan has "ridden to the rescue" of Veronica. (Beaver on the rooftop being the other time.) It was OK, and it fit with the storyline of Veronica continuing to understand that the people around her aren't "heroes and villains" but more complex than that. But still, I hope there isn't too much more "rescue the damsel" stuff. I am glad that they had Veronica precipitate the rescue by sounding her car alarm. But I wish they had had her . . . realise earlier what was happening? Or somehow make a few smarter choices before she got to such an isolated area? |
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 15, 2006 18:31:42 GMT -5
The way she acted this week soured me totally on Harmony. She's just soooo needy. So needy, that she's willing to . . . kind of awkwardly play the temptress, trying to manipulate Keith into going against his better judgment. I was glad Keith stuck to his guns. That is the second time in a short time that Logan has "ridden to the rescue" of Veronica. (Beaver on the rooftop being the other time.) It was OK, and it fit with the storyline of Veronica continuing to understand that the people around her aren't "heroes and villains" but more complex than that. But still, I hope there isn't too much more "rescue the damsel" stuff. I am glad that they had Veronica precipitate the rescue by sounding her car alarm. But I wish they had had her . . . realise earlier what was happening? Or somehow make a few smarter choices before she got to such an isolated area? Well, once she's drugged up, I can see where she really wouldn't be capable of making smart choices. To say she is not thinking straight is the understatement of the year. Yes, I was glad they showed Veronica summoning up the strength and clarity of mind to think to push that alarm! I wonder who that rapist is. Sue's choice - The Dean - not bad, but I rather like The Dean, and would rather see him continue on the show as is. I'd rather see Prof Landry as the perp. But . . . who knows? If there have been any big clues, I have missed them. |
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Post by Matthew on Nov 16, 2006 1:20:54 GMT -5
Since I don't have a lot of time to read all the comments today  I'm cutting and pasting from my lj: <SNIP> Speaking of the River Styxx - was that weird grab and dance move by Liam supposed to be scary? Because I was kind of giggling and thinking wow that looks uncomfortable. Is he trying to feel her up? Last Dance keeps playing in his mind and he needed a partner? What was that? <SNIP> It looked to me as if he were squeezing her chest in a tight enough embrace that she was completely unable to breathe: he was torturing her, if not outright killing her: as his last reaction to her popping into his place was getting ready to disfigure her violently with a tattoo gun, he has no real consideration for human life: and she feels V's father is responsible for him not having millions of dollars, I think he was seriously contemplating killing her. The only thing that saved her was the idea of vengeance from Keith, brought into his head by some VERY fast thinking on the part of Vinnie Van Lowe, who DOES have a certain competitive affection for Keith and family. My mileage varried, on that, from yours: that was one of the scariest scenes to me. |
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Post by Sharky on Nov 16, 2006 9:38:48 GMT -5
Since I don't have a lot of time to read all the comments today I'm cutting and pasting from my lj: <SNIP> Speaking of the River Styxx - was that weird grab and dance move by Liam supposed to be scary? Because I was kind of giggling and thinking wow that looks uncomfortable. Is he trying to feel her up? Last Dance keeps playing in his mind and he needed a partner? What was that? <SNIP> It looked to me as if he were squeezing her chest in a tight enough embrace that she was completely unable to breathe: he was torturing her, if not outright killing her: as his last reaction to her popping into his place was getting ready to disfigure her violently with a tattoo gun, he has no real consideration for human life: and she feels V's father is responsible for him not having millions of dollars, I think he was seriously contemplating killing her. The only thing that saved her was the idea of vengeance from Keith, brought into his head by some VERY fast thinking on the part of Vinnie Van Lowe, who DOES have a certain competitive affection for Keith and family. My mileage varried, on that, from yours: that was one of the scariest scenes to me. This is a man who killed his own brother in icy cold blood. So I saw it as scary. |
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Post by Sara on Nov 16, 2006 9:55:41 GMT -5
So Karen tells me I need to stop by and mention that the surfer dude friend of the missing boyfriend was played by Ben from Buffy. Y'know, I hear he has a connection to Glory...
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 16, 2006 10:20:04 GMT -5
So Karen tells me I need to stop by and mention that the surfer dude friend of the missing boyfriend was played by Ben from Buffy. Y'know, I hear he has a connection to Glory... Oh my gosh! The roommate of the missing boyfriend! The guy with the long hair and "I'm too cool for school" attitude? I didn't even notice!! I have to re-watch, now. |
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Post by Karen on Nov 16, 2006 10:46:02 GMT -5
So Karen tells me I need to stop by and mention that the surfer dude friend of the missing boyfriend was played by Ben from Buffy. Y'know, I hear he has a connection to Glory... Hee! That was such a good catch you had, Sara, it really needed to be shared, especially with this group.  Do you think it was some sort of nod to Joss, or maybe his appearance is some kind of clue. Lots of surfer references this season... |
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Post by Karen on Nov 16, 2006 10:49:29 GMT -5
It looked to me as if he were squeezing her chest in a tight enough embrace that she was completely unable to breathe: he was torturing her, if not outright killing her: as his last reaction to her popping into his place was getting ready to disfigure her violently with a tattoo gun, he has no real consideration for human life: and she feels V's father is responsible for him not having millions of dollars, I think he was seriously contemplating killing her. The only thing that saved her was the idea of vengeance from Keith, brought into his head by some VERY fast thinking on the part of Vinnie Van Lowe, who DOES have a certain competitive affection for Keith and family. My mileage varried, on that, from yours: that was one of the scariest scenes to me. This is a man who killed his own brother in icy cold blood. So I saw it as scary. Liam has always scared me. He's a very dangerous and evil man. |
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Post by Vlad on Nov 16, 2006 20:35:29 GMT -5
Since I don't have a lot of time to read all the comments today I'm cutting and pasting from my lj: <SNIP> Speaking of the River Styxx - was that weird grab and dance move by Liam supposed to be scary? Because I was kind of giggling and thinking wow that looks uncomfortable. Is he trying to feel her up? Last Dance keeps playing in his mind and he needed a partner? What was that? <SNIP> It looked to me as if he were squeezing her chest in a tight enough embrace that she was completely unable to breathe: he was torturing her, if not outright killing her: as his last reaction to her popping into his place was getting ready to disfigure her violently with a tattoo gun, he has no real consideration for human life: and she feels V's father is responsible for him not having millions of dollars, I think he was seriously contemplating killing her. The only thing that saved her was the idea of vengeance from Keith, brought into his head by some VERY fast thinking on the part of Vinnie Van Lowe, who DOES have a certain competitive affection for Keith and family. My mileage varried, on that, from yours: that was one of the scariest scenes to me. As it was for me! It neatly brought back what I consider to be the "scariest" scene ever in VM... when she was caught in that bar last year and was being assaulted. All at once I was having visions of Buffy getting into fight afer fight, but this little blonde girl doesn't have super strength.. she just has her mind and that is not enough against brute force sometimes. And jsut as last time, my mind went to all the horrible things that could happen to her... rape, murder, disfigurement... and she was essentially powerless. Last year it was Logan to the rescue.. but this year I was sitting there on the edge of my seat going "Oh f*ck! That other little girl isnt gonna be able to do a thing... no gun...not demonstrating any street savvy. Veronica, you are screwed!" So for me, yeah, the edgiest moment of the night and really of the season. I thought it was terrifically played. I enjoy it when they do show that Veronica can get way out of her depth. It humanizes the character for me. After all, she is only a 19 year old girl, no matter how jaded. Vlad |
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Post by Lola m on Nov 16, 2006 21:33:52 GMT -5
I am glad that they had Veronica precipitate the rescue by sounding her car alarm. But I wish they had had her . . . realise earlier what was happening? Or somehow make a few smarter choices before she got to such an isolated area? Well, once she's drugged up, I can see where she really wouldn't be capable of making smart choices. To say she is not thinking straight is the understatement of the year. Very true. I guess I would have loved to see her seek out help or even medical attention when she first experienced dizziness in the cafeteria. On the other hand, showing Veronica (who we know to be our strong, capable heroine) to be overtaken by the drug does emphasize that the rapes were not the "fault" of the victims - that anyone could have been overpowered. Which should be obvious, but it does make the point stronger, perhaps. And it was another chance to draw the parallel to what happened to Veronica in high school. Actually, like Matthew, I've gone back to blaming the T.A. of her criminology class.  Well, either that or the floor warden guy, because he's just so . . . nice and odd and sweet. Which would make for an intriguing switcheroo. I'm sure I'll change my mind at least 10 or 12 times more before the answer is revealed and I'm proven totally and completely wrong. ;D |
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Post by Lola m on Nov 16, 2006 21:35:16 GMT -5
It looked to me as if he were squeezing her chest in a tight enough embrace that she was completely unable to breathe: he was torturing her, if not outright killing her: as his last reaction to her popping into his place was getting ready to disfigure her violently with a tattoo gun, he has no real consideration for human life: and she feels V's father is responsible for him not having millions of dollars, I think he was seriously contemplating killing her. The only thing that saved her was the idea of vengeance from Keith, brought into his head by some VERY fast thinking on the part of Vinnie Van Lowe, who DOES have a certain competitive affection for Keith and family. My mileage varried, on that, from yours: that was one of the scariest scenes to me. This is a man who killed his own brother in icy cold blood. So I saw it as scary. **nods** Particularly becuase he was so . . . casual about it. Acting so calm and amused. As if it were no big deal to him at all. As if she were no big deal.  |
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Post by leftylady on Nov 17, 2006 12:48:30 GMT -5
re: "damsel-ing"
We also have to count Vinnie's rescue at the bar in the "rescuing the damsel" category.
As much as some might hate it, there's going to be putting Veronica in danger to keep the noir, otherwise we get a sunny Nancy Drew.
Rob T when asked if Veronica would learn some selfdefense, stated that she would not. She has no powers and is not intended to be an action character. She would rely on her smarts.
Unfortunately, V can also rush in were Angels fear to tread (the River Styxx last year) or have lapses in judgment (going to an isolated area when she feels drugged and woozy this week), so someone some times will have to help get her out of the danger. But hopefully, it will not be overdone.
leftylady
ps I like the guesses so far of the dean and the RA. However, I'm sticking to the twist that it will be a woman/women. The shaowy hooded figure in the garage could have been man or woman. They haven't ruled that out visually yet
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Post by KMInfinity on Nov 18, 2006 9:26:43 GMT -5
In all honesty, that's probably as it should be. Aside from his clearly strong feelings for Veronica, Logan has done little or nothing to clean up his act. He continues to do incredibly stupid and irresponsible "poor little rich boy" antics: gambling away his trust fund, blowing off classes, boozing it up in Tijuana. Why SHOULD Veronica completely trust Logan? He hasn't changed his outlook on life, he's just tried to compartmentalize his wild partying so Veronica doesn't have to see it. How is it fair to ask Veronica to tolerate this, much less trust Logan with no questions asked? Much as I love the character, he hasn't earned that much. I truly believe Veronica has tried to adapt to Logan as he is, but that foundation is shaky at best. So...unless Logan can straighten himself up, this relationship should be temporarily suspended for the good of both parties. Let's face it, Logan still has a ton of growing up to do, and Veronica is enabling him by trying to turn a blind eye to his mistakes. Sometimes it takes more than love. Excellent analysis. Logan still thinks his "heart of gold" should excuse his lapse in judgment. I am very pleased with how RT and the writers are handling this relationship. Definitely NOT all shippy and smooth. The roommate is Ben? Ben is the roommate? Holy Moly! Any way to connect Scarlett to the Fitzpatricks? I keep thinking there’s more to the story of the missing boyfriend. I get that it was primarily told as a counterpoint to Veronica’s relationship/trust issues with Logan, but still. Big agree about the scene with Liam. Very very scary. I am expecting a Mars/Fitzpatrick conflict will climax at some point. Hopefully in season five or six… Speaking of which...any news on a full season yet. :crossing fingers: |
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Post by Jan on Nov 19, 2006 9:06:46 GMT -5
Home issues. Neither one of them coming home at night. Ooh, V is being awfully judgmental. And, a tad bit vindictive. Yeah, she's projecting her own trust issues (which at least she knows she has, "I'm not built that way") on anyone who disappoints her. Keith fell off his pedastal and Logan . . . well, she never put him up on one to begin with, did she? She's been waiting for/expecting him to disappoint her. So many instances of the ideas of trust and judging / pre-judging in this ep! Even little ones, like when she's lying on Wallace's bed in her shirt and boxers and Piz opens the door. She says "it's not what it looks like" and the floor warden guy is all "not one to judge". Huh. And I just remembered that when the floor warden guy offered the girlfriend a hot tea, I was all "I wonder if he's the rapist and if he's gonna drug it". Guess it was just foreshadowing.  Well, maybe someone said this already, but to me it was more telling that when he opened Sully's door he said that he has keys to all the rooms on the floor. So he may be the rapist, or someone close enough to him to have access to his keys. ETA after reading the whole thread. Thanks, Maria, for saying it first. Whether it's him or someone close to him, I can't believe that the mention of his keys was a red herring. |
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