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Post by Karen on Nov 19, 2006 10:07:00 GMT -5
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Post by Michelle on Nov 19, 2006 16:41:16 GMT -5
#party2# #tumble# #party2# #tumble# #party2# Great news!!!! Thanks for posting this, Karen.
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Post by Sue on Nov 19, 2006 17:11:19 GMT -5
Nice, BUT---how the heck does this impact the "3 smaller arcs" plan? Either arcs 2 and 3 need to each be 5 or 6 eps long or (my choice) arc 2 now needs to be expanded to just be (approx?) 11 episodes long. Tough to tell an author mid-stream that his novella either needs to become a novellete or a full novel. Grr. arrrgh.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 19, 2006 18:32:26 GMT -5
S’cubies! Have I got a deal for you! Let Fotada help restore your faith in men by taking a look at what’s new on the S3 website ( www.soulfulspike.com)[/size]: OF VICE AND MEN: Let’s Make a Deal – by Fotada Read it! You’ll find yourself better informed, and who doesn’t like that? And unlike some of our VM characters, you don’t need to bribe, blackmail, or threaten Fotada into providing the info. No, you can even access the review directly by clicking on the image below:And after you’ve read it, post here on the VM ep 3.7 thread, and let Fotada know what you think.[/b]
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Post by Vlad on Nov 20, 2006 5:56:00 GMT -5
YAAAAAAY! OKay, it may be 2 eps less than they expected, but 20 is still a full season. I don't see why the writers can't trim an episode apiece on the latter two arcs and still write some damn good tv. In my opinion there have been a couple throw-away eps each season as it is... *shrugs* Let's just hope they consider bringing it back next year. Even if only for 20 or even 13 episodes. Honestly, I can't really see the show going much longer than that. Ms. Bell is gonna wanna go out and make her way doing other projects. Tell us some good stories... end it all up with a bow on it. I am not one that believes series should last forever... jsut that they should get to tell their entire story. And then maybe we can have that Keith Mars, Private Eye spin-off featuring that lovable but slimy lawyer Cliff. With special guest appearances by Kristin Bell! Jason Dohring! Francis Capra! ;D Vlad
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Post by Sharky on Nov 20, 2006 15:53:02 GMT -5
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Post by Sharky on Nov 20, 2006 16:01:29 GMT -5
Nice review, Fotada! I liked the catch that Logan, Keith, and Vinnie all came through for Veronica by the end of the episode.
Veronica's guilty of viewing Logan as a project more than a boyfriend. By and large, people don't change. If Veronica can't accept Logan as he is, she's going to lose him.
I've been trying to make a connection to Steinbeck's "Of Mice and Men". Veronica as the wise-guy George and Meryl as the dumb, innocent Lenny in her care? Maybe, although Veronica didn't paint any rosy pictures for Meryl of what she expected she'd find.
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Post by Vlad on Nov 20, 2006 16:01:30 GMT -5
Nooooo! You have to share! Vlad
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Post by leftylady on Nov 21, 2006 11:01:15 GMT -5
Nice, review, Fotada!
Stream of consciousness? Wow, your random thoughts are way organized than mine!
I especially loved your pointing out the “rib” motif all the way to Liam trying to crush V’s ribs – a total breaking of the intended “man-woman” connection.
Great job!
leftylady
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 21, 2006 11:40:41 GMT -5
Nice, review, Fotada! Stream of consciousness? Wow, your random thoughts are way organized than mine! I especially loved your pointing out the “rib” motif all the way to Liam trying to crush V’s ribs – a total breaking of the intended “man-woman” connection. Great job! leftylady I know - Fotada did pretty good for not knowing what she was going to write the day before, huh? And of course, she did well considering she was having to type through her tears of heartbreaking disappointment. I also loved the "rib" reference - tons of great "catches" in the review, Fotada. Loved the way you point out that faith/risk is necessary in order to love - and the parallels you noticed between Logan and Scarlett. Oh, and yes, I must agree: I also thought it was highly doubtful that Sully invented a space-laser.
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Post by Michelle on Nov 21, 2006 12:50:25 GMT -5
Nice review, Fotada! I liked the catch that Logan, Keith, and Vinnie all came through for Veronica by the end of the episode. Veronica's guilty of viewing Logan as a project more than a boyfriend. By and large, people don't change. If Veronica can't accept Logan as he is, she's going to lose him. Yes, there might be a bit of "I can fix him" mentality with Veronica. She is definitely witholding a part of herself with him. I think she feels a strong connection with him, and her overwhelming feelings might scare her a little. She is not one to completely let go. She doesn't want to risk the pain that giving herself to him completely would invite. I like that analogy. I played around a little bit in my head with Liam as a not!innocent version of Lenny. When he grabbed Veronica around the waist, I thought of that old Warner Brothers cartoon with the big oaf saying, "I'm going to hug him, and love him, and squeeze him and call him George." Ooookay. Maybe I'm the only one who remembers that!
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Post by Michelle on Nov 21, 2006 12:52:48 GMT -5
Nice, review, Fotada! Stream of consciousness? Wow, your random thoughts are way organized than mine! I especially loved your pointing out the “rib” motif all the way to Liam trying to crush V’s ribs – a total breaking of the intended “man-woman” connection. Great job! leftylady Thanks so much, Lefty!! I heard Landry offer to "share a rib," and it struck me as a little, well, odd. It had to mean something more than what he intended. You and Spring helped me get my thoughts together, and I really appreciate that!
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Post by Michelle on Nov 21, 2006 12:55:31 GMT -5
Nice, review, Fotada! Stream of consciousness? Wow, your random thoughts are way organized than mine! I especially loved your pointing out the “rib” motif all the way to Liam trying to crush V’s ribs – a total breaking of the intended “man-woman” connection. Great job! leftylady I know - Fotada did pretty good for not knowing what she was going to write the day before, huh? And of course, she did well considering she was having to type through her tears of heartbreaking disappointment. I also loved the "rib" reference - tons of great "catches" in the review, Fotada. Loved the way you point out that faith/risk is necessary in order to love - and the parallels you noticed between Logan and Scarlett. Oh, and yes, I must agree: I also thought it was highly doubtful that Sully invented a space-laser. You two helped me more than you know to write my review! It was so nice to be able to talk to you two smarty-pants about the show. It almost makes up for the extreme dehydration I experienced from crying over the game. Thanks very much for your comments, Spring. It means more than I can express.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 21, 2006 17:55:50 GMT -5
Excellent analysis, Fotada! I loved how you selected the theme of dealing, trading, using information as currency and power. Instead of a simple theme of "men who disappoint", you gave us a more complex web of examples of disilliusionment and unexpected justified belief, all showing how Veronica circles back around to depend on the people that she judged and found guilty earlier in the episode. Very nicely laid out! Until you pointed it out here, I totally missed the very important timing to the scene when Veronica makes Logan tell her what happened in Mexico. Because you're right - she already had the information she needed to clear Mercer, already knew he was not guilty. We're really meant to compare and contrast Meryl and Veronica. Compare Meryl's amazing belief and devotion to Veroinca's harsh treatment of her dad, which helped motivate (somewhat) her feelings about Logan. I think we're meant to realize there is likely a more reasonable middle ground between these two polar extremes. It's interesting to look back to the episode last season with the suspicious and jealous rich girl who ended up losing the legitimately nice guy she was engaged to because she simply could not believe he was sincere. Back then, Veronica had been snarky about the "self-fullfilling" way the woman ended up wrecking the relationship herself because she was convinced he was wrecking it. Things are wrecked (yet) between Logan and her and the relationship with her father is not ruined (hopefully). But things are definitely not back to "good" yet either. Brava again, Fotada!
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Post by Michelle on Nov 25, 2006 21:23:40 GMT -5
Excellent analysis, Fotada! I loved how you selected the theme of dealing, trading, using information as currency and power. Instead of a simple theme of "men who disappoint", you gave us a more complex web of examples of disilliusionment and unexpected justified belief, all showing how Veronica circles back around to depend on the people that she judged and found guilty earlier in the episode. Very nicely laid out! Until you pointed it out here, I totally missed the very important timing to the scene when Veronica makes Logan tell her what happened in Mexico. Because you're right - she already had the information she needed to clear Mercer, already knew he was not guilty. We're really meant to compare and contrast Meryl and Veronica. Compare Meryl's amazing belief and devotion to Veroinca's harsh treatment of her dad, which helped motivate (somewhat) her feelings about Logan. I think we're meant to realize there is likely a more reasonable middle ground between these two polar extremes.It's interesting to look back to the episode last season with the suspicious and jealous rich girl who ended up losing the legitimately nice guy she was engaged to because she simply could not believe he was sincere. Back then, Veronica had been snarky about the "self-fullfilling" way the woman ended up wrecking the relationship herself because she was convinced he was wrecking it. Things are wrecked (yet) between Logan and her and the relationship with her father is not ruined (hopefully). But things are definitely not back to "good" yet either. Brava again, Fotada! LOLA! Thanks so much for your amazing feedback. I love reading your thoughts, and I was especially struck by the sentence above in red. I didn't explicitly say that in my review, but I think Veronica and Meryl could learn something from one another. Veronica is cynical beyond her years, and Meryl is just so naive and trusting. I mean--a space laser?!? Honestly. And yay! for your great memory. "Green Eyed Monster" is a great episode to compare to Veronica's behavior with Logan. But, as Rob has pointed out, Logan has a ways to go to prove that he's really reformed himself. I do think Veronica is being too hard on him, but in some respects, I really don't blame her. I just hope Logan can help her work through her issues.
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