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Post by Matthew on Oct 10, 2006 20:08:05 GMT -5
God, if he is, then they're playing a really horrible game with him. What if he is and they don't even know? *Nods* this is the idea I have: they don't have a clue, so they can't treat him speshul.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 10, 2006 20:09:43 GMT -5
What if he is and they don't even know? Now, THAT would be wicked cool. So, what if he does die? Is the game up, then? Resurrection is a sure sign of Cylonicity.... Maybe he will have learned all he needs to know of being "only" human at that point.. maybe the Natasi in his head is a protective device to keep him from revealing it to himself and others for as long as possible.......
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Post by Shan on Oct 10, 2006 20:49:39 GMT -5
What if he is and they don't even know? Now, THAT would be wicked cool. So, what if he does die? Is the game up, then? Resurrection is a sure sign of Cylonicity.... Is it, though? The Cylons are resurrected. In Christianity, Christ the son of God was resurrected. Believers in Christ (I might be wrong, I'm not a Christian myself) are to be resurrected as well. It's a mixed bag on BSG. I'm confused...but curious
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Post by Shan on Oct 10, 2006 20:53:46 GMT -5
What if he is and they don't even know? *Nods* this is the idea I have: they don't have a clue, so they can't treat him speshul. Yeah, so..if my theory about why Cylons are so fascinated by human/Cylon babies is correct in that they're attracted to a "clean slate" (out of a weird kind of narcissism) it makes an ooky kind of sense that the Cylon god would be interested in seeing how the Cylons react to it, their own god, unbeknownst to the Cylons. Er...
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Post by Matthew on Oct 10, 2006 22:36:51 GMT -5
*Nods* this is the idea I have: they don't have a clue, so they can't treat him speshul. Yeah, so..if my theory about why Cylons are so fascinated by human/Cylon babies is correct in that they're attracted to a "clean slate" (out of a weird kind of narcissism) it makes an ooky kind of sense that the Cylon god would be interested in seeing how the Cylons react to it, their own god, unbeknownst to the Cylons. Er... Yupyupyup! Classic element of Greek myths, too: where a god goes slumming to see how the creatures treat strangers and such. And Baltar (if he IS the zero-model Cylon or the Cylon god, or whatever) will have that much more of a universal view of how its creations treat ALL creatures....
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Post by Matthew on Oct 10, 2006 22:44:21 GMT -5
Now, THAT would be wicked cool. So, what if he does die? Is the game up, then? Resurrection is a sure sign of Cylonicity.... Is it, though? The Cylons are resurrected. In Christianity, Christ the son of God was resurrected. Believers in Christ (I might be wrong, I'm not a Christian myself) are to be resurrected as well. It's a mixed bag on BSG. I'm confused...but curious You are on the right track: followers of Christ are supposed to be resurrected all at one go, before the battle of Armageddon, when the graves open up at Gideon's Final Trump. (General belief, and most common doctrine: some sects and many individuals believe in immediate spiritual resurrection in heaven for those who snuff it in this vale of tears). But I don't think that the Cylons have the hardware/software to download normal humans (if Batlar IS only a normal human): Cybrids? Quite possibly. I'm still thinking blood-nanites.
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Post by leftylady on Oct 11, 2006 13:19:03 GMT -5
Fantantic premier. It IS the most compelling show I've got on my "must watch" schedule this year, even if I do have to wait for a friend to deliver me a tape.
Some ideas:
Could the cylon god just be a giant mainframe somewhere - some cosmic joke of a god?
Perhaps the cylons are interested in interbreeding to expand beyond the 12 present models. Perhaps it is the only way for them to add to the models, expand their consciousness, since not just the original Galactica Sharon new what happened there, Caprica Sharon knew about Tyrol. (and this may be a problem for Insurgent Liaison Sharon. How much does the model know about what's going on with others of their series?
Can't wait to see the next one. I don't believe that Laura is dead. Maybe Zarek, but not Laura. The idea of Laura as witness appeals to me.
leftylady, who is trying to keep up with reading the various episode threads if not able to post often
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Post by Shan on Oct 11, 2006 17:34:43 GMT -5
Fantantic premier. It IS the most compelling show I've got on my "must watch" schedule this year, even if I do have to wait for a friend to deliver me a tape. Some ideas: Could the cylon god just be a giant mainframe somewhere - some cosmic joke of a god? Perhaps the cylons are interested in interbreeding to expand beyond the 12 present models. Perhaps it is the only way for them to add to the models, expand their consciousness, since not just the original Galactica Sharon new what happened there, Caprica Sharon knew about Tyrol. (and this may be a problem for Insurgent Liaison Sharon. How much does the model know about what's going on with others of their series? Can't wait to see the next one. I don't believe that Laura is dead. Maybe Zarek, but not Laura. The idea of Laura as witness appeals to me. leftylady, who is trying to keep up with reading the various episode threads if not able to post often Oh, yeah! It's the ONLY show I watch! I got cable specifically so I could!
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Post by fish1941 on Oct 12, 2006 16:20:12 GMT -5
On the surface, the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA Season 3 premiere seemed very exciting. Great action, dramatic moments and competent acting. However . . . throughout the entire two hours, I found myself wondering why the Cylons didn't simply wipe out all of the Colonials trapped on New Caprica. Their reasons for keeping them alive didn't make any sense to me. I had this feeling that Ronald Moore had used some lame, philosophical reason as an excuse to prevent the Cylons from killing the humans in order to include some kind of "resistance movement" story arc into the series.
Watching the premiere brought back memories of ST: DEEP SPACE NINE. During that show's early Season 6, Ron Moore had also tried this "resistance movement" story arc . . . by allowing the Dominion and the Cardassians to invade and occupy Deep Space Nine. It didn't really work for me in that series, and I might as well say the same about BG's Season 3 premiere. I suspect that Mr. Moore is trying to repeat the success of BABYLON FIVE's "Earth Civil War" story arc. But instead of being impressed, BG's premiere came off as unoriginal to me.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 12, 2006 17:07:22 GMT -5
On the surface, the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA Season 3 premiere seemed very exciting. Great action, dramatic moments and competent acting. However . . . throughout the entire two hours, I found myself wondering why the Cylons didn't simply wipe out all of the Colonials trapped on New Caprica. Their reasons for keeping them alive didn't make any sense to me. I had this feeling that Ronald Moore had used some lame, philosophical reason as an excuse to prevent the Cylons from killing the humans in order to include some kind of "resistance movement" story arc into the series. I see it another way - Ron Moore is trying to tell a story about the Cylons as something other than machines and former slaves who want to eliminate their former masters. His Cylons are evolving, socially, and in no small part this is due to their interactions with humans. Especially when those humans don't know they're dealing with Cylons. A subset of the Cylons, those who have infiltrated human society, have formed attachments to humans and are no longer capable of seeing humanity as the monolithic evil that the rest of Cylon society does. So they worked the political system, and made some progress. Not, you know, a lot, but they've managed to save the remaining humans from extermination. The reason is philosophical, but, IMO, it's not lame - they're doing it because they believe it's the right thing to do. But it's reflective of a real society - they don't all agree that exterminating the humans is wrong. For now, this year, the Sharons and Sixes have a bit of control over the system. But the political winds could shift at any time, because the society is in a state of flux and actively changing. It's not as if the change in Cylon attitudes came out of nowhere; much of last season was devoted to showing it happen gradually. And, at the same time, the humans are beginning to shift in the same way. Some of them know, now, that "Cylon" is not the same thing as "evil". Some of them understand that the Cylons aren't monolithic, either. On a practical note, the setting sort of had to change, to avoid intense boredom setting in. There's only so long you can put the remainder of humanity in submarines and have them running from certain extinction before you run out of new and interesting storylines, I'd think. The setting shift opens the door to a whole new set of options. And lets them explore some real-world issues...like now we get to deal with the only option available to the "good guys" being terrorism.
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Post by fish1941 on Oct 12, 2006 18:06:43 GMT -5
To me this seems nothing more than a rehash of all those Trek story arcs about Data, Odo and the Doctor. As for the whole "resistance" story arc, . . . it did not impress me.
For once, I wish that Ron Moore would create his own sci-fi/fantasy story, instead of putting a spin on someone else's creation.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 12, 2006 18:26:53 GMT -5
To me this seems nothing more than a rehash of all those Trek story arcs about Data, Odo and the Doctor. As for the whole "resistance" story arc, . . . it did not impress me. Clearly not. You do seem to be in the minority, though, so I'd say Ron has a hit on his hands. And there is one major difference between the BSG story and the various Star Trek stories - in Star Trek, only the individuals change. The society around them already knows the "right" way, is already (somewhat unbelievably) enlightened. Data, Odo, and the Doctor had it comparatively easy. Also, they were learning to BE human, as though being human is the be-all and end-all of sentient development. Star Trek was very humanocentric, despite its ideals. Even poor Spock was always made to feel by the humans around him as though his human side was somehow better or more normal than his Vulcan side. On BSG, the humans and Cylons who don't think the other side is made up entirely of demons are surrounded by people who disagree, and who will express that disagreement violently. It's not the warm fuzzy pastels of the Enterprise, where Counselor Troi will tell you what a good thing it is that you're learning to be more human. The Cylons might just decide you're defective and not resurrect you. They aren't supportive or nurturing of the growth we're seeing in the minority. And it's isn't just Cylons learning to appreciate humanity; it's the humans coming to realize that Cylons are people, too, even if they are machines. And being met with even nastier responses God forbid you should try to get along with the Cylons - be careful, they'll decide you deserve to be spaced right along with your Cylon girlfriend. Or maybe they'll just blow you up in a suicide bombing. We're being shown two societies changing, and we NEVER got that in Star Trek. Well, you know, you don't have to watch.
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Post by Shan on Oct 12, 2006 18:58:12 GMT -5
To me this seems nothing more than a rehash of all those Trek story arcs about Data, Odo and the Doctor. As for the whole "resistance" story arc, . . . it did not impress me. Clearly not. You do seem to be in the minority, though, so I'd say Ron has a hit on his hands. And there is one major difference between the BSG story and the various Star Trek stories - in Star Trek, only the individuals change. The society around them already knows the "right" way, is already (somewhat unbelievably) enlightened. Data, Odo, and the Doctor had it comparatively easy. Also, they were learning to BE human, as though being human is the be-all and end-all of sentient development. Star Trek was very humanocentric, despite its ideals. Even poor Spock was always made to feel by the humans around him as though his human side was somehow better or more normal than his Vulcan side. On BSG, the humans and Cylons who don't think the other side is made up entirely of demons are surrounded by people who disagree, and who will express that disagreement violently. It's not the warm fuzzy pastels of the Enterprise, where Counselor Troi will tell you what a good thing it is that you're learning to be more human. The Cylons might just decide you're defective and not resurrect you. They aren't supportive or nurturing of the growth we're seeing in the minority. And it's isn't just Cylons learning to appreciate humanity; it's the humans coming to realize that Cylons are people, too, even if they are machines. And being met with even nastier responses God forbid you should try to get along with the Cylons - be careful, they'll decide you deserve to be spaced right along with your Cylon girlfriend. Or maybe they'll just blow you up in a suicide bombing. We're being shown two societies changing, and we NEVER got that in Star Trek. Well, you know, you don't have to watch. I only ever watched the original Star Trek and then a fair amount of TNG. I didn't watch much of DS9 or any of the others, so I don't know much about the comparisons except that BSG appeals to me because the stories are complex from both personal and social points of view. I like that watching the growing and changing of the relationships prompts the kind of internal questions I end up asking myself. BSG has me keen to see what happens to both humans/Cylons as individuals and as differing cultures - and has me wondering how they will react to each other on those different levels for not only the entertainment value but from the personal interest I have in exploring these kinds of questions. I have no idea who Ron Moore is but I have the feeling that, if he really DOES need to "create his own sci-fi/fantasy story" and he's writing for BSG, he's doing exactly that and I'm not only glad of it but eager for more. I'm not content to write him (or BSG) off as a simple rehash of someone else's creation or I would have stopped with Jules Verne and Edward Bellamy.
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Post by Karen on Oct 12, 2006 20:37:25 GMT -5
On the surface, the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA Season 3 premiere seemed very exciting. Great action, dramatic moments and competent acting. However . . . throughout the entire two hours, I found myself wondering why the Cylons didn't simply wipe out all of the Colonials trapped on New Caprica. Their reasons for keeping them alive didn't make any sense to me. Hey, I know the answer to that one. If the Cylons wiped out the Colonials, then the story would be over. Seriously, that's one of the things we're trying to figure out here in the many posts in this thread. It doesn't make sense to us because we don't know the Cylon's 'plan'. Yet. I know I'm curious enough and entertained enough to stick around to find out.
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Post by Shan on Oct 12, 2006 20:48:26 GMT -5
On the surface, the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA Season 3 premiere seemed very exciting. Great action, dramatic moments and competent acting. However . . . throughout the entire two hours, I found myself wondering why the Cylons didn't simply wipe out all of the Colonials trapped on New Caprica. Their reasons for keeping them alive didn't make any sense to me. Hey, I know the answer to that one. If the Cylons wiped out the Colonials, then the story would be over. Seriously, that's one of the things we're trying to figure out here in the many posts in this thread. It doesn't make sense to us because we don't know their 'plan'. Hee! I thought that, too: No Caprica 2, no story! Me, I figure it's not so far out of line that the plan is that there are enough Cylons who are so incredibly narcissistic (omg, can I even SPELL that at this point?!) that they want to know what humans think of them themselves...not just as Cylons in general but as whatever model number...6, 8, 11, 12....beta, 1.2, 3.0, 4.3...etc..because for whatever reason, they're starting to seem different to themselves now...
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