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Post by Karen on Oct 20, 2006 21:39:10 GMT -5
Woah. Apollo even sounds just like his dad, just like now he looks like him. ;D He is an Adama, after all. And he is embracing that now. D knows Lee, and even with all her words, I bet she knew what he would decide to do. [/quote] It was just a very powerful scene. Her confession and defiance when she told him she would do it again if she had to. Her sincere sorrow over the people who died because of what she did. Man. Where was the other Cavil? Did he already run? I couldn't believe what I was seeing when Adama dropped the ship like a stone. Wow. He's got some stones. There's going to be a lot of fallout from everything they went through. A separation between the people who stayed on the ships and the ones who went through hell on the planet, too. #metoo#
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Post by Lola m on Oct 20, 2006 21:39:40 GMT -5
I knew it! What I don't get is how he "saw" that Kara would come for the child, but he seemed so surprised when she killed him again. And did he really think that forcing her to tell him she loved him would really mean anything? Well, I'm sure it made sense it his crazy cylon brain. It's insane Cylon logic. I really really really loved the special effects in this ep. Heck, I just loved this ep--sad, sickening, frustrating parts and all. The Cylons really don't have a grip on what people are likely to really feel, do they? Well, to be fair, it's not like there aren't people who go through their whole lives thinking that way too. The special effects were mind-boggling. And eetah to the rest, too! ;D
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Post by Lola m on Oct 20, 2006 21:40:02 GMT -5
Watching again since it's so quiet in here now. OMG! You really did smother the children. #rofl1#
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Post by Lola m on Oct 20, 2006 21:41:11 GMT -5
That was not an hour. That episode could not have been longer than three minutes. And that FREAKING AWESOME SCENE WITH THE VIPER LAUNCHING!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG THAT WAS THE COOLEST CGI EVER! And, yeah, that was one whirl of an ep!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 20, 2006 21:42:18 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure it made sense it his crazy cylon brain. It's insane Cylon logic. I really really really loved the special effects in this ep. Heck, I just loved this ep--sad, sickening, frustrating parts and all. Awesome special effects! I loved the effect of the fake 'snow' swirling about on NewCaprica at the end. And there was one shot looking back at the gate they had all just broken through that was very effective in showing us just how bleak their lives had been. **nods** And I'm really glad we got the scenes outside camp so we knew for sure that the rest of the planet was more than just what the camp had become.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 20, 2006 21:45:33 GMT -5
Awesome special effects! I loved the effect of the fake 'snow' swirling about on NewCaprica at the end. And there was one shot looking back at the gate they had all just broken through that was very effective in showing us just how bleak their lives had been. I know! Really very stunningly heartbreaking. This has been a very emotional, gut-wrenching first few episodes. What we need now is an episode to break the tension and bleakness...an ep where those crazy kids do some sort of wacky hijincks, like group amnesia--Laura and Tigh thinking they're engaged, except Laura decides she doesn't want to marry this crazy old fart with one eye, thin!Lee and Helo thinking they're in love with each other, etc. Or everyone doing some sort of magical mushroom group thing and waking up thinking they're teenage versions of themselves...I'd pay good money to watch Laura and Adama flirt like teenagers...and then Tom and Adama get in a fist fight over Laura.... And I would help you pay that good money, my friend. Here's to wacky hijinks! I really am sort of kidding.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 20, 2006 21:46:13 GMT -5
I love how she basically took the decision, and the cup, right out of his hands. From Macbeth: If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well It were done quickly: if the assassination Could trammel up the consequence, and catch With his surcease success; that but this blow Might be the be-all and the end-all here, But here, upon this bank and shoal of time, We'd jump the life to come. But in these cases We still have judgement here; that we but teach Bloody instructions, which, being taught, return, To plague the inventor; this even-handed justice Commends the ingredients of our poisoned chalice To our own lips.**nods nods nods vigorously again**
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Post by Lola m on Oct 20, 2006 21:47:41 GMT -5
Still living in happy-land, eh, denial-boy? Nope. Not anymore. BUT if she shows up sometime later in the season, having been smuggled aboard one of the ships rolled up in a rug Cleopatra-style, I reserve the right to do the Dance of "I Called It!" Unfortunately, I pretty much doubt that I'm gonna have a chance to do that dance. Ever. *shrug* But it was a beautiful suicide, and a fitting death for her, with no regrets and her eyes open. If that happens, you certainly get to do the dance, and bravo to you. ;D It really was an amazing scene.
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Post by Karen on Oct 20, 2006 22:04:00 GMT -5
Awesome special effects! I loved the effect of the fake 'snow' swirling about on NewCaprica at the end. And there was one shot looking back at the gate they had all just broken through that was very effective in showing us just how bleak their lives had been. I know! Really very stunningly heartbreaking. This has been a very emotional, gut-wrenching first few episodes. What we need now is an episode to break the tension and bleakness...an ep where those crazy kids do some sort of wacky hijincks, like group amnesia--Laura and Tigh thinking they're engaged, except Laura decides she doesn't want to marry this crazy old fart with one eye, thin!Lee and Helo thinking they're in love with each other, etc. Or everyone doing some sort of magical mushroom group thing and waking up thinking they're teenage versions of themselves...I'd pay good money to watch Laura and Adama flirt like teenagers...and then Tom and Adama get in a fist fight over Laura.... I really am kidding. ;D Hee! BSG-light. Yeah. It would be nice to have some sort of comedy relief, but from the previews for next week, that's not going to happen anytime soon.
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Post by Karen on Oct 20, 2006 22:09:42 GMT -5
I knew it! What I don't get is how he "saw" that Kara would come for the child, but he seemed so surprised when she killed him again. And did he really think that forcing her to tell him she loved him would really mean anything? The guy is soooo delusional. But is he really? He's seen the future, he told her once, and something happens that pulls them together. But yeah, he *is* insane.
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Post by Karen on Oct 20, 2006 22:15:24 GMT -5
Greg rocks! I totally didn't see that one coming at all. Good riddance, tho. I watched the Ellen death scene again, and I'm even more convinced that she did know what was in the drink. I think she was ready to die. She had saved Saul, and I don't think she thought there was a future with him after what she had did to save him. Second time watching, I cried right along with Saul. That would make perfect sense, and it's a hell of a way for her to go out. Wow. Oh, poor frakked-up Saul.... Seriously. Ellen might have been selfish in her motivation to save him, but she went out with more grace and class than even he probably would've expected. Ellen was not the best influence on Saul when she was alive, it's going to be interesting to see if he can rise above all that's happened and pull it together.
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Post by Onjel on Oct 21, 2006 0:15:45 GMT -5
Holy mother. . .. That was a hell of an episode.
Ellen's confession, her certain knowledge of what was in the cup when she drank from it and curled up with Saul, his last words to her telling her he loved her and his sobbing. God, that was powerful.
The baby! They have the baby! Maybe she really will be the savior of them all.
Was it just me or Gaeta look an awful lot like Warren while holding the gun on Baltar and lecturing him about what Baltar had done? I mean an awful lot. I could almost see the Summers' back yard there for a minute.
How cool was it that Lee disobeyed his father's orders and saved the day? And, now there is no more Pegasus, so they all have to become members of the same battlestar unit. Take the symbol away and they can all start to blend and become one group with one allegiance.
Wow. Just wow. There's so much that happened!
Poor Kara. Her mind is seriously buggered and she and Saul looked so alike, having lost someone they loved. You can just see the thought balloons, "Now what do I do?" Wow.
I haven't even read the thread yet, but man, that was some show. The effects were awesome and the story so heartbreaking and heartwarming at the same time.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 21, 2006 1:13:47 GMT -5
Just had a minor think, brought forth by Onjel's thinks. Ever since the mini-series, they've been drawing parallels between Starbuck and Tigh: a sort of bond of mutual respect (and dis-) between the two of them, because they are emotionally a lot alike, closed off and quick to jump in with both fists, and now, with the New Caprica stuff, we see that Tigh is a mighty hunter, indeed. The resistance was his baby, and he pulled it off the way Starbuck had previously pulled off things like ripping the brain out of a cylon raider and riding its tail up to say "miss me?" or retrieving the Arrow of Apollo, or flying the Blackbird through the bowels of the resurrection ship or whatever crazy-ass impossible mission has been handed to her. Now, after killing Leoben god knows how many times, and believing him when he said Kacey was hers, and feeling the maternal weight that a semi-sentient being imposes on you when it looks at you with those big eyes, Starbuck has had what she's had a very intense week to think of as her child removed from her. I'm sure she was playing Leoben from the moment she held his hand at the hospital bed, but she was bonding with the little girl. And now a role she almost had barely begun to get a grip on: being a mommy, gets taken away. The only tangible thing she has left over after four months of being kept in isolation with an insane cylon wanting to play "house" with her: what she risked her life to go back and get. Not as poignant or as permanent as Saul's loss, but it's more with the way their lives are reflections of each other. I was kinda bugged by the fact that Sam left her side when she was so obviously in shock: I was also annoyed that Kacey had NO concern whatsoever about having been taken from her real mommy; what, did they have the girl doped to the gills on Valium, and that's why she "fell" down the stairs?!
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Post by Matthew on Oct 21, 2006 1:46:27 GMT -5
I'm just still really upset at the 'splosion of the Cloud 9 because there went most of their mobile farmland and outdoor shot-sequence opportunities for a while. I suppose before "Lay Down Your Burdens" I was thinking of the Fleet becoming a sort of Macro-life type thing: ships being built as flying drydocks and flying refineries and such, building more ships to hold more people... but that's a way of life for a centuries-long trip without a real destination in mind.
I guess this reflects my world-building tendencies, or why I liked the middle bits of The Stand best... and why I should stay away from The Sims or any of the Sid Mieir (sp) games.
Eager to see what is to come.. I guess somebody remembered to grab the Amanda Plummer stoned prophetess, as they were on their way out the door?
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Post by Shan on Oct 21, 2006 6:03:51 GMT -5
Apparently, my episode numbering is off here because I counted the season premier as one but it was actually TWO, so we're at 3.04 now so I'm going to change the threads.
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