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Post by Rachael on Oct 29, 2006 12:50:43 GMT -5
Oh, that lying bastard Leoben... I knew it! What I don't get is how he "saw" that Kara would come for the child, but he seemed so surprised when she killed him again. And did he really think that forcing her to tell him she loved him would really mean anything? Absolutely he did. Which is why he's so creepy. Typical psychotic/serial killer behavior. He thought that you could force someone to love you just by making them go through the motions. And...urk on the entire Starbuck bonding with the kid deal. I am disgustipated. She resists Stockholm Syndrome for four months, only to cave in like a week because of a little towheaded girl?
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Post by Rachael on Oct 29, 2006 12:56:36 GMT -5
Leoben is freakin not dead enough. Oh, you so do not love him. Oh, I need the brain-o. PLEASE BE PULLING AN ELLEN! "Neither will I" Oh, whew. Good, thank god. I was never more relieved, I tell ya! ;D Heeee! So totally messed up. And the kid is gonna be messed up too. So...anybody wonder what he did to the kid? 'Cause didn't he introduce Starbuck to her by saying, "This is your mommy," or some such thing? Your normal child with a mommy already would say, "That's not my mommy!" But she didn't. Why the hell not?
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Post by Rachael on Oct 29, 2006 13:06:19 GMT -5
Leoben tried to do to Kara interpersonally what the Cylons where trying to do the whole New Caprica community socially and politically. The Cylons were trying to make the Humans love them and failing to see the flaw in that plan. You can't make someone love you. Love is a gift. Oh. Good point. Then 'love' *is* the missing element that the humans have and the Cylons need to make their existence mean anything. Really makes me wonder what they'll (Leoben and the Cylons) come up with when they regroup and try again. Thing is, the Cylons DO have it. They just don't realize it, because they can't seem to have it with each other. They all have the capacity for the full range of human emotions, but, like Lola said over yonder, "it hurts". So it seems wrong, if you've never had emotions before, to suddenly be experiencing them. Strong emotions, anyway, the sort that arise from conflict. Anger, hate, grief, love - all of these are impossible in a society where everyone thinks alike and acts alike. But mix it up with some messy humans for a few months or years, and suddenly you've got all SORTS of hard emotions to deal with. Leoban...didn't strike me as inhuman. He struck me as insane. His humanity is broken, but it's there all the same. Sharon and Six are very human at this point, and it's terrifying Six, at least. The other models aren't quite there yet. Interesting how the female models are the ones who have been most affected by their interactions with humans. Excepting Leoban - but his interactions haven't turned out well. I'm dying to know who the other five models are.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 29, 2006 13:08:27 GMT -5
I re-watched the episode last night and I am still unhappy that Ellen died. I suppose Saul couldn't just take her back to the Galactica with the rest when they all knew what she'd done. I guess she could have been kept in the brig but...that's no kind of life. *sigh* Not considering the rescue by Galactica: What would the insurgents have done if Saul had been taken back to detention? Tried to break him out? How many soldiers would they have lost in the attempt? Or, a better scenario for the example I'm trying to make: If Ellen had refused to comply with Cavil's demand that she leak information and the Cylons HAD come for Saul to take him back to detention, wouldn't Anders and the rest of them done their damndest to keep him safe? Wouldn't that have involved losing people, too? Why was Ellen's way of protecting Saul so much worse? I guess I'm still just wondering WHY she had to die. I'm with you; especially in light of this week's episode, I think Ellen's death was meaningless.
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Post by Karen on Oct 29, 2006 13:40:02 GMT -5
I knew it! What I don't get is how he "saw" that Kara would come for the child, but he seemed so surprised when she killed him again. And did he really think that forcing her to tell him she loved him would really mean anything? Absolutely he did. Which is why he's so creepy. Typical psychotic/serial killer behavior. He thought that you could force someone to love you just by making them go through the motions. Yeah. And that whole doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Although it does make me wonder how far Kara would've gone in her relationship with Leoben to keep the little girl safe if she hadn't been rescued. Everyone has a breaking point? Or a line they won't cross? She wouldn't kill Cylon!Sharon either after Helo told her she was pregnant.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 29, 2006 13:46:51 GMT -5
Absolutely he did. Which is why he's so creepy. Typical psychotic/serial killer behavior. He thought that you could force someone to love you just by making them go through the motions. Yeah. And that whole doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Although it does make me wonder how far Kara would've gone in her relationship with Leoben to keep the little girl safe if she hadn't been rescued. Everyone has a breaking point? Or a line they won't cross? She wouldn't kill Cylon!Sharon either after Helo told her she was pregnant. True. Maybe it was just the last straw. I was just...mostly, it's the level of emotional connection that bugs. I could buy her caring about the child - who wouldn't? And I'd probably go back to retrieve her, too. But...accepting that the kid was my daughter and being torn up when it turned out she wasn't was a step further than I thought she'd really go so soon.
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Post by Riff on Feb 12, 2007 17:55:47 GMT -5
That was not an hour. That episode could not have been longer than three minutes. And that FREAKING AWESOME SCENE WITH THE VIPER LAUNCHING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's be honest, that entire sequence is some of the most amazing, heart-galloping television ever made. I'd say that from the Galactica jumping into the atmosphere to cutting back to the prison and Kara, the series excels even itself. Character and action seamlessly intertwined. It's a sublime scene. No exaggeration. Also, can I take this opportunity to say that the re-imagined BSG is true art. At its best, it leaves me open-mouthed with admiration.
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