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Post by fish1941 on Oct 23, 2006 13:44:33 GMT -5
As for this episode, superficially it seemed superb. I won't deny that. But . . . for all the great action and drama, I found myself, again, wondering why the Cylons had not simply wipe out the Colonials on New Caprica, when they had the chance. This idea to "form an alliance" with the humans seemed like a lame and superficial reason to indulge in this whole "resistance movement" story. Before their original attempt to exterminate the humans, the Cylons had some kind of treaty with them that lasted at least four decades without them even bothering to destroy the latter. Now we're expected to believe that the Cylons' idea of an alliance with the humans on New Caprica is subjegation and occupation? C'mon!
And now, the whole New Caprica story arc is ending. I feel as if my time had just been wasted, watching this show. Come to think of it, there really hasn't been a well-crafted serialized TV series, since "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" went off the air in 2003.
I don't blame her. I would too.
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Post by Shan on Oct 23, 2006 20:49:32 GMT -5
As for this episode, superficially it seemed superb. I won't deny that. But . . . for all the great action and drama, I found myself, again, wondering why the Cylons had not simply wipe out the Colonials on New Caprica, when they had the chance. This idea to "form an alliance" with the humans seemed like a lame and superficial reason to indulge in this whole "resistance movement" story. Before their original attempt to exterminate the humans, the Cylons had some kind of treaty with them that lasted at least four decades without them even bothering to destroy the latter. Now we're expected to believe that the Cylons' idea of an alliance with the humans on New Caprica is subjegation and occupation? C'mon! And now, the whole New Caprica story arc is ending. I feel as if my time had just been wasted, watching this show. Come to think of it, there really hasn't been a well-crafted serialized TV series, since "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" went off the air in 2003. I don't blame her. I would too. You continue to waste your time repeately watching a show that you apparently dislike. I don't understand why you do that unless you are simply one of those people who enjoys being unhappy. I wish you luck with whatever personal journey you're on but I don't intend to discuss the show with you any further because you seem to want to use it as an outlet for your negativity and argumentativeness and I don't want to be a part of that.
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Post by Vlad on Oct 23, 2006 20:56:35 GMT -5
I completely agree with you, Shan! For example, from the few episodes I have watched of Survivor, Charmed, The Bachelor... I would think that they are some of the biggest wastes of time created for television. Yet, I wouldn't be on boards that regularly discuss both the positives and negatives of certain episodes of those programs to just dis the show, the creative force behind it and, by association, it's "fans." I have much better things to do with my time than watch things that bore me or are completely dissatisfying, much less to also take the energy to dissect them as well. Also, I see it as just being plain polite. Obviously this is IMO and YMMV.
Vlad
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Post by Karen on Oct 23, 2006 21:30:06 GMT -5
As for this episode, superficially it seemed superb. I won't deny that. <snip> Before their original attempt to exterminate the humans, the Cylons had some kind of treaty with them that lasted at least four decades without them even bothering to destroy the latter. Now we're expected to believe that the Cylons' idea of an alliance with the humans on New Caprica is subjegation and occupation? <snip> I don't find it all that unbelieveable. It's all been done before. First you occupy and subjugate a people, then you try to turn them to your teachings and absorb them into your society, or you exterminate them, but that isn't going to sit well with a society that has a 'god', so you try to understand them and maybe even love them, or you put them into reservations and try not to think about them.
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Post by Shan on Oct 24, 2006 13:18:47 GMT -5
As for this episode, superficially it seemed superb. I won't deny that. <snip> Before their original attempt to exterminate the humans, the Cylons had some kind of treaty with them that lasted at least four decades without them even bothering to destroy the latter. Now we're expected to believe that the Cylons' idea of an alliance with the humans on New Caprica is subjegation and occupation? <snip> I don't find it all that unbelieveable. It's all been done before. First you occupy and subjugate a people, then you try to turn them to your teachings and absorb them into your society, or you exterminate them, but that isn't going to sit well with a society that has a 'god', so you try to understand them and maybe even love them, or you put them into reservations and try not to think about them. Oooh, also! New Caprica was a way to shake up the bottle, so to speak. Stuck aboard the starships, it was bound to get stale. There are YEARS worth of story arcs now, with new relationships, broken relationships and readjusted relationships. Not to mention a whole year's worth of flashbacks! If nothing else, it was a great way to freshen up the storylines.
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Post by fish1941 on Oct 24, 2006 16:46:29 GMT -5
So, if I criticize BSG, I dislike the show? Hitler believed in God. Hitler was a devout Catholic. Yet, this did not stop him from attempting to exterminate the Jews. I'm sorry, but despite all of the good action, I was not that impressed by the New Caprica story arc. I just did not think that the Cylons' reason for keeping the Colonials alive was that great. Especially after the Colonials began their campaign of sabotage.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 24, 2006 18:21:56 GMT -5
So, if I criticize BSG, I dislike the show? Hitler believed in God. Hitler was a devout Catholic. Yet, this did not stop him from attempting to exterminate the Jews. I'm sorry, but despite all of the good action, I was not that impressed by the New Caprica story arc. I just did not think that the Cylons' reason for keeping the Colonials alive was that great. Especially after the Colonials began their campaign of sabotage. I'm glad to hear that you do like the show. The negativity was sort of getting to me.
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Post by Karen on Oct 24, 2006 21:30:50 GMT -5
So, if I criticize BSG, I dislike the show? Hitler believed in God. Hitler was a devout Catholic. Yet, this did not stop him from attempting to exterminate the Jews. Exactly! But he didn't kill everybody - and the Jews were targeted because they were envied anyway, and he used their extermination to instill fear in the rest of the people. The Cylons targeted the popular insurgents, because they were looked to and they knew if they had succeeded in making an example of them it would've went a long way to instilling fear in the rest of the Colonists and make them easier to control. Same fear-mongering tactics. A believeble scenario. The Cylons need the humans for something - we are slowly finding out what that something is. I like watching it unfold. Now, they are going to go regroup and come at the humans at another angle. With a half human baby of hope maybe? Well, you're forgetting that some of the Cylons did want to get rid of all the humans and give up, but it's not their god's plan, so that didn't seem to be an option.
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Post by Karen on Oct 24, 2006 21:32:39 GMT -5
So, if I criticize BSG, I dislike the show? Hitler believed in God. Hitler was a devout Catholic. Yet, this did not stop him from attempting to exterminate the Jews. I'm sorry, but despite all of the good action, I was not that impressed by the New Caprica story arc. I just did not think that the Cylons' reason for keeping the Colonials alive was that great. Especially after the Colonials began their campaign of sabotage. I'm glad to hear that you do like the show. The negativity was sort of getting to me. LOLOL!
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Post by Karen on Oct 24, 2006 21:34:47 GMT -5
I don't find it all that unbelieveable. It's all been done before. First you occupy and subjugate a people, then you try to turn them to your teachings and absorb them into your society, or you exterminate them, but that isn't going to sit well with a society that has a 'god', so you try to understand them and maybe even love them, or you put them into reservations and try not to think about them. Oooh, also! New Caprica was a way to shake up the bottle, so to speak. Stuck aboard the starships, it was bound to get stale. There are YEARS worth of story arcs now, with new relationships, broken relationships and readjusted relationships. Not to mention a whole year's worth of flashbacks! If nothing else, it was a great way to freshen up the storylines. That's a great way to put it. The bottle has certainly been shaken and broken and contents spilled all over the place. I bet you're right that we'll see some of those flashbacks and what they all went through both on the ship and on the planet. Excellent tactic by the writers.
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Post by Shan on Oct 24, 2006 22:13:57 GMT -5
Oooh, also! New Caprica was a way to shake up the bottle, so to speak. Stuck aboard the starships, it was bound to get stale. There are YEARS worth of story arcs now, with new relationships, broken relationships and readjusted relationships. Not to mention a whole year's worth of flashbacks! If nothing else, it was a great way to freshen up the storylines. That's a great way to put it. The bottle has certainly been shaken and broken and contents spilled all over the place. I bet you're right that we'll see some of those flashbacks and what they all went through both on the ship and on the planet. Excellent tactic by the writers. See? I just can NOT separate what I think the writers are doing! ;D But it doesn't stop me from enjoying the show they're giving us! (*koff-matthew-koff*)
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Post by fish1941 on Oct 25, 2006 10:19:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry if the negativity was getting to some of you, but that how I felt about the whole New Caprica storyline. It felt forced and not quite right to me.
The show is okay and I like watching it, but I just don't agree with the belief that it's "the best TV show on the air". I just don't. And I've seen other science-fiction shows that are better.
Are you saying that was Hitler's only reason for attempting to exterminate the Jews? That religious and racial bigotry had nothing to do with it?
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Post by Shan on Oct 25, 2006 11:09:46 GMT -5
Unless we're going to make a connection between BSG and, for instance, the Holocaust, a discussion of Hitler and his motives could majorly violate the rules on political and religious fronts so please tread carefully.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 29, 2006 12:42:45 GMT -5
Greg just said, re Starbuck: Oh yeah, she's back. What I had to say was just this: "He made one key miscalculation. There isn't a woman alive who wouldn't kill the father of her child to save the child." Even if it turned out (as I and others suspected) that it wasn't her child at all.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 29, 2006 12:44:49 GMT -5
Oh, Whoa. I didn't see that coming at all. Hera is left with the Cylons. Oh, and whoa again. It wasn't Kara's child. I didn't see it coming, either, but we should have - given all the "our child" claptrap Six was spouting while Sharon was pregnant. They were always "destined" to take that child. See? Shoulda left it with Sharon. SHE can be trusted, but instead...well, they got exactly what they were afraid of. The Cylons have the hybrid.
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