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Post by Shan on Oct 27, 2006 21:15:58 GMT -5
Yeah. 1. Six 2. Sharon 3. Three 4. Leoben 5. Cavil 6. The Newsanchor Guy 7. The doctor at The Farm Groovy... but Six had told him there were twelve models. And Sharon's model-number is eight.. *waves head, gives it up to be dealt with later* Er, I know Sharon is #8. But I thought you sounded like you didn't know which were the seven already-revealed skinjobs. So I listed them. |
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Post by Squeemonster on Oct 27, 2006 21:16:11 GMT -5
Yeah. 1. Six 2. Sharon 3. Three 4. Leoben 5. Cavil 6. The Newsanchor Guy 7. The doctor at The Farm Groovy... but Six had told him there were twelve models. And Sharon's model-number is eight.. *waves head, gives it up to be dealt with later* I was wondering why I had the number 12 stuck in my head.  |
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Post by Matthew on Oct 27, 2006 21:21:35 GMT -5
Groovy... but Six had told him there were twelve models. And Sharon's model-number is eight.. *waves head, gives it up to be dealt with later* Er, I know Sharon is #8. But I thought you sounded like you didn't know which were the seven already-revealed skinjobs. So I listed them. Actually, I do confuse Leoben and The Newsanchor Guy, so my count was one off, anyways, but I was thinking mostly that there should be five more models to have heard from. But I can easily see that only the revealed cylons, the ones who had had contact with Baltar, would be the ones to vote on his fate... (he fanwanked hastily.) |
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Post by Lola m on Oct 27, 2006 21:28:45 GMT -5
Wow!! They did it. They really did it. From the start, when they had the tribunal and they were killing the collaborators, I thought, they're following the "usual" format. Keep the cycle of hate going. One side wins and so it punishes the other. Then if that side starts to win, they take revenge. And then the other side feels justified in revenging that. And so on.
And yet there is another model. One that is infinitely harder. One that takes even more courage and work - but it is worth everything. It's what they did in South Africa, what they are still doing. I thought about the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
And then at the end, that's what President Roslin does. And they even use the same wording.
That was stunningly beautiful. Oh my. I can't tell you how amazing that was. **gets shivers**
OK. Now I can go through and read what everyone else has been posting.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 27, 2006 21:35:06 GMT -5
Jesus. That was harsh. I'm not supposed to be watching, however and just wanted to stop by and make a little comment to demonstrate my keen observiness.  Very harsh. They all wanted to hurt someone. Wanted revenge. Tigh was the most interesting to me. Because it was so important for him that this was about Justice and there had to be certainty and that "Jammer didn't get airlocked because you thought he was guilty". Because if he admitted out loud that it was because they wanted to hurt someone back, then what did it mean that Ellen is dead? It has to be Justice, and legal, and logical and all or else what does it all mean. Now that he's been shown that he almost killed the guy that is largely responsible for them all being able to escape, just because he was angry and pushed it through . . . well, I'll be interested in seeing how he deals with things. ETA: I really liked the contrast of Starbuck and her different pain. Her honest statement that she "just wants to hurt someone" - including her husband. If she can manage to share her stories of captivity with him or someone, maybe she could start to hurt less?  |
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Post by Lola m on Oct 27, 2006 21:39:49 GMT -5
So the Resistance is The Circle. Summary trials. Jammer... One Versus 23. Jammer, these ARE the insurgents you are talking with. 3rd day of 2nd Exodus. This can't continue long..... "Isn't what I signed up for" Once I learned that this was all "legal", ordered by President Zarak, I understood better how Chief and him even got involved. But I'm not surprised they started to balk at things. It really is rather amazing, isn't it? I would have guessed a lot more. |
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Post by Lola m on Oct 27, 2006 21:41:17 GMT -5
Boy, I SO should have ordered my pizza earlier. Jammer!  Well, that wasn't angst-ridden at all.... The poor kid was in so far over his head the whole time, you know he was doomed from the start. But it still hurts to see it play out. |
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Post by Lola m on Oct 27, 2006 21:52:33 GMT -5
HOLY CRAP!!!!! I thought he'd have run. Whoa. Whuh? He must be dreaming.... That was the absolutely bestest, and one of the few, funny bits in this ep. When Roslin says "I've always wanted you" and Baltar immediately knows. I just howled at his "Oh no, I'm dreaming, aren't I?" ;D That was a very cool scene, with Baltar in the Base Star and guarded by a toaster and all. You suddenly really felt the Otherness of the place. And you could tell that Baltar really felt it completly for the first time. I was totally yelling "tell them, Gaeta!" Of course, when he did the first time, they wouldn't listen. And he's feeling such guilt that he's even confusing himself. I was never so happy as when Chief just laid it out for the tribunal folks. "He's the one. He's the reason we're on this ship." 'Cuz earlier, when Starbuck was all sacarstically saying "yeah, you're a hero" I was yelling at the screen - yes, yes he is!! He's a big part of why you're all off that damn planet, you goobers!! Ahem. I can get a little worked up sometimes. ;D I really liked that scene 'cuz to me it also showed the start of another likely adjustment we'll be seeing. I think this ep was all about showing us the fallout from the previous events. The trials and killing of collaborators was an early bit of fallout. But I think we're also gonna see conflicts between those who stayed on the ships and those who were on the planet. Tigh has had the experience of being in charge now. He ran the resistance. He was the guy giving orders, not taking them. That's not so true now. I wonder how that is gonna play out, especially with all his other issues. And Adama knows. It really struck me, how he called out his first name - Saul. Not his rank, not Tigh. Saul. He was trying to reach him as a man and a friend, IMHO. **nods** |
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Post by Lola m on Oct 27, 2006 22:02:45 GMT -5
Well, Six, we all make mistakes.. don't feel too bad about it. Whooboy, Gaius, that's a hell of a play to try to make. The "I need you too" may have saved him if ANYTHING did. That was a most funny and enlightening little scene, wasn't it? You know what else suddenly struck me, 'cuz I had just been watching Dr Who. The lines that the Doctor said about the Cybermen. He's telling Rose about them, how they are human brains in a cybernetic body. And that the emotion has been stripped out of them. She asks why take out the emotion and he says "because it hurts". Watching Six talk to Baltar I was all, wow - it's the same thing! The skin jobs want emotion and at the same time now that they are starting to see what that means, they want to change their minds - pull back. Because it hurts. Emotion means not just the happy ones. ;D I think it helped the group as a whole to see what they were doing to have her be so honest and raw. Whe she was yelling at Gaeta to beg, it was painful to watch. That was the most shocking thing of all to me. Tom's reasoning . . . you could just see how it first shocked Roslin and then how she totally got his number. The look on her face when he was telling her that he did it so she could take office clean, with no blood on her hands . . . I kept thinking - you don't know her at all, do you? If there should be blood on hands, she's going to say it is her duty for it to be her hands. And it was his later speech, about how the trials would become a circus and people would be turning against each other that helped her come to the decision of not just trying to make sure you are dispensing justice and not taking revenge. To look for the other road. |
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Post by Lola m on Oct 27, 2006 22:06:26 GMT -5
Starbuck has got some serious mending to do. I'm sooo worried about her. There is so much pain and anger in her. I mean, there always have been, but now . . . Me too! Such a happy! I'm worried that he may be permanently broken. I hope not, but I'm worried. He was amazing! When he was on his knees, all "I'm not going to beg". Man! OMG, I love this show!!! Wow! Where else do you get this passion and thinking and ideas and characters and emotion and . . . |
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Post by Karen on Oct 28, 2006 9:16:14 GMT -5
Well, that wasn't angst-ridden at all.... Seriously. But hopeful ending. Reminded me of the amnesty was given after the Civil War. It's what needs to be done if any there is to be any hope of peace. Of course, there will still be pockets of people still bent on vengeance, but then it's up to the rest of a society to quell that. Kara has a long way to go, and so does Tigh, to come to terms with what they went through on the planet. Lots of anger, lots of guilt, sadness and loss. My favorite line came from Adama to Apollo: "Keep jumping." While being funny as hell as it refers to the weight Apollo needs to lose, it's also what the rest of the colonists are going to have to do to get back to a good place. Work on it. A lot. |
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Post by Shan on Oct 28, 2006 9:29:16 GMT -5
Well, that wasn't angst-ridden at all.... Seriously. But hopeful ending. Reminded me of the amnesty was given after the Civil War. It's what needs to be done if any there is to be any hope of peace. Of course, there will still be pockets of people still bent on vengeance, but then it's up to the rest of a society to quell that. Kara has a long way to go, and so does Tigh, to come to terms with what they went through on the planet. Lots of anger, lots of guilt, sadness and loss. My favorite line came from Adama to Apollo: "Keep jumping." While being funny as hell as it refers to the weight Apollo needs to lose, it's also what the rest of the colonists are going to have to do to get back to a good place. Work on it. A lot. What's happened to the ones who were prisoners before New Caprica? Heck, what happened to them ON New Caprica? <edit> The point I forgot to make being: are they given a clean slate as well? Or did they get one already? |
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Post by Karen on Oct 28, 2006 9:32:46 GMT -5
Seriously. But hopeful ending. Reminded me of the amnesty was given after the Civil War. It's what needs to be done if any there is to be any hope of peace. Of course, there will still be pockets of people still bent on vengeance, but then it's up to the rest of a society to quell that. Kara has a long way to go, and so does Tigh, to come to terms with what they went through on the planet. Lots of anger, lots of guilt, sadness and loss. My favorite line came from Adama to Apollo: "Keep jumping." While being funny as hell as it refers to the weight Apollo needs to lose, it's also what the rest of the colonists are going to have to do to get back to a good place. Work on it. A lot. What's happened to the ones who were prisoners before New Caprica? Heck, what happened to them ON New Caprica? Hmm. Zarak was obviously released, so maybe the rest of the prisoners were dealt with on a case by case basis? Or did the jail ship get destroyed? Not sure. What did Adama say - that there were a thousand people left behind on the planet - did he mean he thought they were alive? |
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Post by Shan on Oct 28, 2006 9:45:30 GMT -5
What's happened to the ones who were prisoners before New Caprica? Heck, what happened to them ON New Caprica? Hmm. Zarak was obviously released, so maybe the rest of the prisoners were dealt with on a case by case basis? Or did the jail ship get destroyed? Not sure. What did Adama say - that there were a thousand people left behind on the planet - did he mean he thought they were alive? I don't remember. I missed a lot, with interruptions and such, so I have to watch it again this afternoon when I get back from errands. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 28, 2006 10:28:31 GMT -5
Consequences
Jammer.
Is this group operating legitimately? And who has the authority to decide what is the legitimate method of dealing with the collaborators?
Jammer tries to save his ass.
Pointing out the saving only Cally doesn't make it better. Good, good.
Still going by the Articles of Colonization. Punishment for treason is death.
3rd day of the second exodus.
Are they going to airlock him? Yep.
I kinda have a problem with more executions considering the size of the population. Is it any better than what the Cylons were doing?
This isn't what I signed up for. Yeah.
Ship is overcrowded.
Population: 41,435. How does that compare to the population before the Occupation?
WHAT?? Is this a dream sequence?
Don't make me angry, Gaius. You wouldn't like her when she's angry. Hee!
Yep, a dream.
Baltar has a secret desire for Roslin?
Hey, it's the Close Encounters of the Third Kind ship!
With a bit of 2001 thrown in. Sterile quarters. It's going to drive Baltar mad.
Cool looking ships.
Sleep when you're dead.
So everybody put stuff in storage.
So, Zarek took over the presidency. But he's going to step down for Laura. Interesting.
Zarek has pointy eyebrows
Need for military backing.
So he's going to stay VP. That's what I figured would happen.
Tigh hasn't changed at all.
Adama is still an admiral.
Gaeta doesn't try to argue his position, unlike Jammer. He's a better man.
Is Tigh drinking again?
3 days till what?
The decision on Gaeta.
And Tigh is in the picture. When was that taken?
No evidence on Gaeta.
Ander's a good man.
I'm tense. Are they going to figure out that Gaeta was their mysterious source?
Pills? For what? Impotency?
Baltar just woke up?
interesting pronunciation of controversy.
parallel to the decision on Gaeta.
Six is undecided?
Left thousands on New Caprica.
So the resistance group is operating without military authority. Do they have Roslin's authority?
They can just choose amongst themselves who is on this jury? That's suspicious.
Date with a jump rope. Go Lee!
Keep jumping.
No one will sit with Gaeta. Except Kara, who wasn't really "there" for the Occupation.
Gaeta comes clean about his role. But is that not enough?
Seelix overheard though. Huh.
I'm alive. Ref the beginning of the mini-series.
Six wearing black. Lucy Lawless was wearing white.
Six rejects Baltar.
Is Six a real person?
This makes me think of whatever president who kept adding judges to the supreme court until he could get a decision in his favor. And come to think of it, it's interesting that this jury has 6 people, not 12, considering the significance of 12 in this show.
They recruited Kara.
Its legal? Yep, Roslin's behind it. Should be interesting when Adama finds out.
Kara needs this. Lover's dispute.
Tigh bringing up Ellen. gawd.
Kara needs therapy. Heck, they all do.
Going after Gaeta because they can't get to Baltar?
Anders is breaking up with Kara?
Yay, Chief puts it together!
Oh yeah, Zarek was president when the order was signed. That will put a damper on him being Vice President.
That's why they had three days.
Roslin again becomes president without being elected.
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