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Post by Matthew on Nov 17, 2006 23:47:18 GMT -5
"Turistas" Woohoo! The Mexican Chainsaw Massacre! Hee!!
"God's trying to tell me something"
Whoa. She's contempllating suicide? Why? What?
Sheezus. Three's discovered happiness in being reincarnated..
"That's weird" What, the cylons weren't aiming to kill?
They were decoys. Bulldog has been subverted?
Why did Starbuck go to Tigh? Because she knows he's got the currency with Novacek and the Old Man both..
"credible, familiar"
His DNA checks out: he's human. he's the same bulldog, isn't he?
Oh, god, crushingh is windpipe..
"Just hang in there, Bulldog, Bill Adama's coming"
"left a door wide open for me"
DAMN, Saul!!!!!Wow!!
"We're all soldiers, Danny, We're all expendable"
"Up until a minute ago, you were doing exactly what they wanted"
Toughest part of getting played is losing your dignity....bottle you keep drinking from.. (need to re-listen to this magnifcent part)
"Decide to get up and walk out of your room"
Which is what Saul has just done.
My GOD but he's a hell of a man.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 17, 2006 23:57:12 GMT -5
Resignation? I don't think it's gonna be accepted.
First names. This one's gonna be hardcore.
"being naive"
"set you up to provoke a war they wanted"
"simple explanations make us feel like we have control"
"A thousand things, good and bad, for forty years, paving the way for those attacks"
Roslin's gotten savvy.
Take your pennance: be the hero they need.
Good gorram job, Laura. You SO rock my world.
"You're not getting off that easy: once a pilot, always a pilot, Bulldog"
Saul. In uniform.
"I heard you won a medal"
"yeah, they give them out for anything, these days.
That's not so jaunty an eyepatch.
"intimidating the inmates"
NOBODY'S TOLD ADAMA about ELLEN?! HOLY FRAK!!!!!!!
Oh, god, THEY SO need a couple bottles for this conversation. And maybe this will be the shriving that Saul needs....
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Post by Matthew on Nov 18, 2006 0:00:28 GMT -5
Woohoo!! Lee and Starbuck get to fight out their sexual tension in the ring! or, maybe it's just other types of tension.... Why the hell isn't their boxing ring an octagon, too?
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Post by Matthew on Nov 18, 2006 0:04:41 GMT -5
And the whole shipping home of Bulldog (after a thorough and torturous debriefing, I'm sure) being a Cylon plot explains how the hell Bulldog was able to take a cylon raider through an FTL jump without a human-built onboard computer...
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Post by Matthew on Nov 18, 2006 0:09:33 GMT -5
What does "krypter" mean? is this Colonial for "M'aidez"? Why don't they just use "M'aidez"?
ETA: Okay, Lee uses "Krypter" as a distress call in the miniseries. Wonder if it's an Original Galactica word, like "Frak."
Nope, apparently it was just used for the new series.....
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Post by Matthew on Nov 18, 2006 0:40:59 GMT -5
OK. Back after brief pause to talk to the parentals. Dreams, not nightmares. Interesting. Ooh, what is she up to? OMG!!! There is something beautiful and miraculous between life and death. She's become that which she warned Caprica about back in Downloaded. Total Ender's Game moment here.He's a plant. Is he gonna blow up? Starbuck and Tigh working together. Back to normal? At least for the time being. No, he's going after Adama. But he's already almost died, so I don't think that's gonna happen again. FREAKY!!! Intercut. I beat them at their own game. No, you played right into their hands. Tigh pulls himself together. Yay! And then he turns again. Putting a gun in Adama's hands? So how do you put that bottle away, Saul? I don't know. You mean with Starbuck reviewing the stern chase of the two raiders on Bulldog? Huh, neat!!!
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Post by Shan on Nov 18, 2006 11:24:52 GMT -5
So, what do you all think of the scene on the Cylon ship? With Lucy L telling the toaster to shoot her so she could experience the "beautiful/miraculous" thing between life and death? I think she's kinda cracked, myself. Something to do with the effects of multiple regenerations that the Cavill mentioned on New Caprica?
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Post by Shan on Nov 18, 2006 11:35:21 GMT -5
I don't understand why Tigh expressed so much shock in front of Novacek for Adama doing basically the same thing Tigh did with Ellen: sacrifice the one to save the mission. Tigh would have had to deeply, deeply understand that to be able to kill Ellen.
And, Bill...You've been in the military for 45 years. You're a soldier. Expendable, just as Tigh said. If you hadn't run the mission to the armstice zone, someone else would have and the result would have been the same. Laura was right about you being naive.
I loved Laura for that but I still don't like her (IMO) very biased and seemingly way-too-easy order to commit genocide.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 18, 2006 13:06:14 GMT -5
I don't understand why Tigh expressed so much shock in front of Novacek for Adama doing basically the same thing Tigh did with Ellen: sacrifice the one to save the mission. Tigh would have had to deeply, deeply understand that to be able to kill Ellen. And, Bill...You've been in the military for 45 years. You're a soldier. Expendable, just as Tigh said. If you hadn't run the mission to the armstice zone, someone else would have and the result would have been the same. Laura was right about you being naive. I loved Laura for that but I still don't like her (IMO) very biased and seemingly way-too-easy order to commit genocide. I think that Tigh was expressing surprise about Adama because he regards Adama as being a better man than himself. Note his horror on the BS Valkyrie when Adama was gonna shoot Bulldog down himself, even though that's what the strict heartless logic of a black ops intelligence mission required, and what Tigh himself wound up doing with Ellen, and others during the Resistance and the six-day "cleanup" following the beginning of the Second Exodus. Tigh understands the necessity of the sacrafice of the one to save the remainder, but he wants it to be someone with blood on his hands, someone polluted, to do it, like himself: he doesn't want it to have to be Bill, who he's idolized and looked up to, even though he knows the full details of the previous missions they've been on. He keeps (it seems to me) the two versions of Bill carefully seperated in his brain, and only lets them contact when he has to do things like pipe-slap some sense into Bulldog. (And my GOD, but I love Tigh in that scene). Roslin's right: the simple explanation is the one we want to believe in, because it makes everything make sense so prettily: but I find it doubtful that the Cylons went from a peaceful isolationist society to "let's nuke everyone of our human progenitors!" in the year between the loss of Bulldog and the destruction of the Colonies. I mean, Natasi was already in place partway through that year, living with Baltar, no? They had already switched from mechanicals to biomechanoids. And again, though the intelligence ship violated their space, THEY FIRED FIRST, without warning. Side note: it's implied that Raiders go through ressurection too, in "Scar" and that it makes them cranky: can raiders and heavy raiders (and toasters, for that matter) communicate with humans on their own, via radio or some such? Roslin's right that it was the sum total of things for forty years that led up to the war, and blaming it on one event is just... naive indeed. Even if such a single ignitive event occurs, it's normally just an excuse. (and you are TOTALLY right that the admiralty would have just sent someone else) An example from our history: World War I precepitated because Achduke Franz Ferdinand had an idiot for a driver, and someone managed to lob a bomb into his car. Had that event never happened, SOMETHING else would have, and the war would have gone on. That war was pretty much gonna happpen no matter what: all the sides were looking for was an excuse: they'd been building up their war machines, armies, and general staffs for forty years, since the previous European war, so they could claim more territory and settle old scores. And Roslin does still rock my world because of the way she's grown into a hell of a leader: able to give Adama exactly the "pennance" he needs, and able to tell him exactly where his naive tendencies have led him astray. She's got big brass ones: and her tendencies to try for the expedient if not ethical solution (airlocking, fixing the election, commiting genocide, advocating assasinating Cain) while disturbing, is fortunately balanced out by the ethics of the people she's working with. She kinda fascinates me in her brutal utilitarian style: it's something I rather like that we have powerful female leaders on this show, in her, and Admiral Cain: people who, if they were male, no-one would really notice their ruthlessness or their ability to be bloodless and violent as anything special.. or perhaps it's an application of "the female of the species is deadlier than the male"? The sexual dynamics on this show (sex roles, not who's shagging who) are so freakin' intriguing: and hopefully a reflection of what we'll be able to come up with ourselves, eventually.
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Post by Vlad on Nov 18, 2006 16:00:27 GMT -5
And Bulldog is quite the looker too, even all covered in goo and trembling like a breeze would knock him over. Stop blowing on my Bulldog! Vlad
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Post by Vlad on Nov 18, 2006 16:20:43 GMT -5
Well, maybe I shouldn't comment, since I'm not a huge fan of BSG to begin with but I read thru the thread to see what the rest of you thought. I know it contained backstory which was designed to add more layers to Adama and his whole history and tortured soul, but..... it felt like filler to me. Filler and a chance to have on a well-known (genre) guest star...and then kick him off at the end of the ep. Okay, thinking back it did serve to bring Sol back into the fold somewhat----allowing him to make some sort of peace with the horrible thing he had to do with Ellen. Just----seemed slow and meandering to me. Not that every ep has to be a homerun. The best part was admitting that when a war is started there is (at least usually) some sort of provocation on both sides. And, if it really did boil down to one man it wouldn't be Adama's fault it would be Bulldog's fault---for ejecting and surviving. How can Adama feel guilty for shooting down his friend (to avoid detection) AND guilty for starting the war at the same time?? And next week's preview also feels fillerish to me (altho the fight stuff is probably only a minor part). I'll freely admit that this is most likely my problem, not the show's problem. This is why I never make it thru the LeGuin books. I need massive doses of PLOT moving forward. (Yes, that's also why I'm a Miles junkie.) You weren't alone. My brother and I both felt like the episode moved very slowly and was composed of a lot of filler. Didn't hate it, felt it had a lot of good moments, but when all was said and done... really way far from being a great episode. For the most part, I haven't been blown away by this season since their flight from New Caprica. Neither has Havoc, to my understanding. The episodes have been choppy and uneven. Also, I am very not getting the whole deal with "3." She wants to see god? Before, one of the Cylons mentioned that it hurt more and more everytime they revived... the "Al" model that didn't believe in God. "3" believes so its glorious and wonderful? If dying and being reborn is so wonderful to those that believe, that could spell doom for the entire Cylon race as they all get stuck in a cycle of suicide. On the other hand, it could be a neat analogy to Islam and "dying for your god" is something great and shall be rewarded. Hmmmm... Vlad
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Post by Shan on Nov 19, 2006 10:59:45 GMT -5
Well, maybe I shouldn't comment, since I'm not a huge fan of BSG to begin with but I read thru the thread to see what the rest of you thought. I know it contained backstory which was designed to add more layers to Adama and his whole history and tortured soul, but..... it felt like filler to me. Filler and a chance to have on a well-known (genre) guest star...and then kick him off at the end of the ep. Okay, thinking back it did serve to bring Sol back into the fold somewhat----allowing him to make some sort of peace with the horrible thing he had to do with Ellen. Just----seemed slow and meandering to me. Not that every ep has to be a homerun. The best part was admitting that when a war is started there is (at least usually) some sort of provocation on both sides. And, if it really did boil down to one man it wouldn't be Adama's fault it would be Bulldog's fault---for ejecting and surviving. How can Adama feel guilty for shooting down his friend (to avoid detection) AND guilty for starting the war at the same time?? And next week's preview also feels fillerish to me (altho the fight stuff is probably only a minor part). I'll freely admit that this is most likely my problem, not the show's problem. This is why I never make it thru the LeGuin books. I need massive doses of PLOT moving forward. (Yes, that's also why I'm a Miles junkie.) You weren't alone. My brother and I both felt like the episode moved very slowly and was composed of a lot of filler. Didn't hate it, felt it had a lot of good moments, but when all was said and done... really way far from being a great episode. For the most part, I haven't been blown away by this season since their flight from New Caprica. Neither has Havoc, to my understanding. The episodes have been choppy and uneven. Also, I am very not getting the whole deal with "3." She wants to see god? Before, one of the Cylons mentioned that it hurt more and more everytime they revived... the "Al" model that didn't believe in God. "3" believes so its glorious and wonderful? If dying and being reborn is so wonderful to those that believe, that could spell doom for the entire Cylon race as they all get stuck in a cycle of suicide. On the other hand, it could be a neat analogy to Islam and "dying for your god" is something great and shall be rewarded. Hmmmm... Vlad I think this season may seem to be off to a slow start because the situation on New Caprica was like...taking them all out of the bottle they'd ben in for a couple of years and violently shaking everything up. Now that they've been crammed back into the bottle again, new characters and relationships have emerged and old ones have re-emerged, ready to drive the plot in new and different directions. I'll bet we see a lot of that, and soon. So, yeah. Slowish. But I don't think we can get the good plot we're accustomed to without the setting up of the characters to give it meaning. Otherwise, it's just another special-effects space adventure.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 19, 2006 21:45:47 GMT -5
Danny Novacek. Ellen.... "Drink" "No idea" Apollo is gonna be clued in... to what? Saul's let the cat out of the bag, whatever the cat is.. "Galactica was to be his graceful retirement" !!!!! Adama shot him down? To protect the mission? Well, THAT obviously frakked up. "Ascertain the likeliehood of a cylon strike" "Knew that they were out there?" "theories" So the cylons capture an agent provacateur, three years ago.. Admiralty snuck across the armistice line to gather intelligence? and contact. Which shot him down.. TIGH advocating the Right Thing..... **nods** You know thinks are seriously frakked up when Tigh is the voice of reason! Roslin puts it well. Good things and bad things and a whole history of back and forth. No one person, not even Adama the mighty, can claim they set the whole thing in motion. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Nov 19, 2006 21:49:02 GMT -5
Resignation? I don't think it's gonna be accepted. First names. This one's gonna be hardcore. Her tone of voice, the look on her face, you knew she was just going to punch right through all he was trying to do. It's a space-patch! The two of them need a good loooooong conversation. Get out all the stuff between them.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 19, 2006 21:50:31 GMT -5
I think she's kinda cracked, myself. Something to do with the effects of multiple regenerations that the Cavill mentioned on New Caprica? That is an excellent possibility!
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