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Post by Lola m on Jan 25, 2007 22:57:31 GMT -5
She was dangerous because she was questioning too much, that's for sure. Not fitting in with the traditional Cylon plan would be my guess. And now we have a Caprica helping Sharon to escape. Plus, I wonder about the Leobens - they seem to know more than they are letting on to the others. And what about the hybrids? I wonder where they fit in. Lots of strife among the Cylons. And in D'Anna's case, it wasn't just one D'Anna model exhibiting too much individuality—it was all of them. For example, it now seems pretty clear that Boomer Sharon doesn't have the same depth of humanity as Athena Sharon. Nor does she exhibit Athena's sense of loyalty toward the Galactica and its crew. The two share a lot of similarities in their personalities, but Athena Sharon is so far pretty unique for her model. All of the D'Annas, however, tended toward displaying the savior-complex. So it sees as if as long as it was just the occassional iteration going rogue the remaining models had no problem interacting with others of the rogue model; that's the kind of... malfunction that could be written off as a result of spending too much time with humans. But when all of the iterations have the exact same problem, it's no longer a matter just a screw getting knocked loose: then you're talking a design flaw. Of course, you know what the beauty of the retiring the model thing is? If we presume the other Cylons destroy all of the hardware, then if they ever do decide to re-upload Three it could be into an entirely different body—meaning Three's return isn't dependent on getting Lucy Lawless back. **nods** Growth and adaptation based on each individual's experiences, yes, but also true design . . . deviations. Alternative mapping or something? Perhaps unavoidable due to the complexity of the programming involved?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 26, 2007 18:45:01 GMT -5
Teaser
They're going through the whole procedure. That'll leave enough time to change some one's mind.
"We agree" ritualistic.
"I don't know"
5 and one again.
The D'Anna problem.
The Agathons ponder their options.
Ah, so she can resurrect herself. Clever and heartbreaking.
And I was wondering what would happen if she resurrected.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 26, 2007 18:54:53 GMT -5
Part I
The security risk.
Helo gonna smackdown. Roslin's condemnation. Now we'll see who is right.
There are always a Cylon or 2 in the downloading chamber?
Which Six is this? Is this Caprica?
Now it's just Dualla.
"to know the face between God is to know madness"
"yes, I know" to Six, not to D'Anna. Nice.
Lots of military stuff. Good stuff, but not much to comment on. For me at least.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 26, 2007 19:04:00 GMT -5
Part II Blow shit up!!! They're going to see D'Anna and Baltar with those sniper rifles. Starbuck's in bad shape. There's that line from the promo's. Dualla's fed up, but going along for now. Hera recognizes her mother. I'm done with her. Trying to persuade Boomer to come back. Boomer's reasoning for not wanting to join the humans again. Glad to have it finally. Makes sense. So Hera has a real physiological illness. The Cylon's have doctors? The Simon model? How much doctoring (of themselves) do they need? About whether the Cylons are meant to procreate. Whoa. Caprica says almost the same thing as Roslin about the importance of Hera. Yep, the supernova. Blowing up the temple. Again.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 26, 2007 19:11:58 GMT -5
Part III
Are Dualla and Starbuck going to bond, buddy movie style?
"he's too honorable" "unlike you?" Yep.
I have to cheat just to keep the pieces together/
Dualla smacks her. Hee!
D'Anna and Baltar are there now. And the temple's already been wired.
Cavil came with them. Didn't realize.
Temple doesn't go boom.
WTF?
See, now Baltar recognizes the Eye right away. Sheesh.
There goes the supernova.
Cavil's got an Indiana Jones thing going on.
Baltar saves D'Anna. Or does he?
This is totally like the Mayan temples. Except the architecture. With hologramy-vision thing like the temple on Kobol.
So D'Anna's going to see the Final Five but we're not. Dammit.
One of them she recognizes though.
Go Tyrol!!!!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 26, 2007 19:21:13 GMT -5
Part IV
Reunited.
Caprica came with them?!
I'm thinking Caprica doesn't care about much of anything for now.
You've seen one nova, you've seen them all. Heh.
Ionian Nebula. Io.
They're figuring it out.
Helo's made the connection with the picture in Starbuck's apartment.
Starbuck did those paintings. So she has some kind of prescience?
Helo and Starbuck have such a great relationship.
Starbuck's burnt hands.
Talking about Leoben. A destiny that had already been written.
D'Anna's downloading. Cavil's sarcasm. And delivers the bad news.
"It's not a flaw to question our creation is it?"
Boxing the entire line.
Boxing means they shutdown. Like the machines they are.
Wow.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 26, 2007 19:26:56 GMT -5
So, do we have any takers on the identity of one of the final five that D'Anna was talking to when she asked for forgiveness? With Starbuck drawing that eye of Jupiter symbol from childhood, it makes me wonder. . .. I'm trying to decide just how vital the "forgive me - I had no idea" part is. Does that mean we should be looking for someone that D'anna was particularly not nice to - or that D'anna in particular was not nice to? In other words, go back and look at humans that D'anna has interacted with specifically? Or does that just relate to anyone who is "human" and has thus been hurt by the war? Oh oh! What if it's the seer lady played by Amanda Plummer?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 26, 2007 19:28:26 GMT -5
I wanna know what the Final Five look like and I wanna know now!!!! #metoo# Wouldn't the Hydrid know? Not that she can coherently tell anyone, but she seems to have a finger on the pulse of the mystical.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 26, 2007 19:29:42 GMT -5
Oh, heck no. Just off the top of my head I can remember Caprica Six killing D'Anna in the all-Cylon episode last year and Cavil shooting Caprica Six right between the eyes in the second episode of this season. There's a remarkable increase in cylon-on-cylon violence. Won't someone please think of the little baby toasters? #rofl1# Poor Hera.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 26, 2007 19:38:57 GMT -5
Io, by the by, is the chick Zeus was pursuing that turned into a cow. There was something about a cow earlier. And Zeus/Jupiter, of course. Anne asked about meaning of the title and whether/how it was related to the religious concept. I have no answer, but the wiki entry is here.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 26, 2007 19:47:27 GMT -5
I liked how the episode had all these little splinter groups out doing their own thing.
Lots of storylines moved forwards a little bit. With the biggie being all the D'Anna models being boxed.
Boxing D'Anna: lots to think about the pursuit of knowledge, how the pursuit changes the pursuer and how everyone else reacts. Thou shalt not eat fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, and all that.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 27, 2007 17:50:45 GMT -5
Thought that occurs to me as I'm reading through my flist: the baby scene with Athena, Boomer, and Caprica references the scene in the mini-series where Caprica snaps the baby's neck. Only this time she saves the baby and snaps Boomer's neck instead.
Also, when the decision was made to box all the Threes, Simon was definitely missing. And there was one other, I think. I'm not sure if that's significant, because it could just be due to budgetary constraints, but you would think that a decision like that would be made by all the Cylons save Three, unless there is a hierarchy amongst the skinjob Cylons. Or maybe Simon and ? will show up to contest the decision made without them.
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Post by Karen on Jan 27, 2007 23:58:01 GMT -5
There's a remarkable increase in cylon-on-cylon violence. Won't someone please think of the little baby toasters? **weeps for the poor little single slicers** That is not the weeping smiley!! "poor little single slicers"
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Post by Karen on Jan 28, 2007 0:03:46 GMT -5
And in D'Anna's case, it wasn't just one D'Anna model exhibiting too much individuality—it was all of them. For example, it now seems pretty clear that Boomer Sharon doesn't have the same depth of humanity as Athena Sharon. Nor does she exhibit Athena's sense of loyalty toward the Galactica and its crew. The two share a lot of similarities in their personalities, but Athena Sharon is so far pretty unique for her model. All of the D'Annas, however, tended toward displaying the savior-complex. So it sees as if as long as it was just the occassional iteration going rogue the remaining models had no problem interacting with others of the rogue model; that's the kind of... malfunction that could be written off as a result of spending too much time with humans. But when all of the iterations have the exact same problem, it's no longer a matter just a screw getting knocked loose: then you're talking a design flaw. Of course, you know what the beauty of the retiring the model thing is? If we presume the other Cylons destroy all of the hardware, then if they ever do decide to re-upload Three it could be into an entirely different body—meaning Three's return isn't dependent on getting Lucy Lawless back. **nods** Growth and adaptation based on each individual's experiences, yes, but also true design . . . deviations. Alternative mapping or something? Perhaps unavoidable due to the complexity of the programming involved? I wonder if getting rid of Three will mess with The Whole. I would think that they all fit together in some fashion and that getting rid of a model, who is part of that whole, would upset the balance of the Cylon race design.
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Post by Onjel on Jan 28, 2007 11:32:32 GMT -5
Well, I made the mistake of actually watching one of the ads for what I believe is tonight's episode of BSG. At least one of our questions is answered regarding the Cylons. Or, appears to be, anyway.
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