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Post by jeff on Feb 25, 2007 23:01:05 GMT -5
What an absolutely fantastic ending to a very well written and well dramatized episode, there was absolutely nothing that I didnt love about this episode, I was intrigued, I was interested, I was torn on which way they would go.
I have watched 5 episodes, this one was amazing to me, hardly any action but such a fantastically written episode , if I wasnt before I am so hooked now there is no turning back..
I look foward to going back and watching the first 2 seasons after this season is over, I cant wait.
also interesting that there was 2 cheif and cally episodes back to back.
loved the starbuck interaction at the end. I wish I would have recorded this episode. I loved it.
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Post by Onjel on Feb 25, 2007 23:02:30 GMT -5
Right there with ya. I'm beginning to dislike her intensely. At least in this episode. She's becoming despotic. And now we get a total 180. whoosh... I think that she is mainly out to get Baltar. Thank goodness she saw reason with Tyrol. Admiral Adama was scary/then fatherly. Baltar's book was intended so sow the seeds of unrest among the worker bees and it was succeeding. Nasty piece of work that.
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Post by Karen on Feb 25, 2007 23:05:41 GMT -5
And now we get a total 180. whoosh... I think that she is mainly out to get Baltar. Thank goodness she saw reason with Tyrol. Admiral Adama was scary/then fatherly. Baltar's book was intended so sow the seeds of unrest among the worker bees and it was succeeding. Nasty piece of work that. Yes, very. Still don't think it should be banned...as those seeds of unrest were there before the book... it just put their feelings into words, and it's better to verbalize and deal with the emotions of the awful situation the workers were in than hide them and let them fester.
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Post by Onjel on Feb 25, 2007 23:08:30 GMT -5
Baltar's book was intended so sow the seeds of unrest among the worker bees and it was succeeding. Nasty piece of work that. Yes, very. Still don't think it should be banned...as those seeds of unrest were there before the book... it just put their feelings into words, and it's better to verbalize and deal with the emotions than hide them and let them fester. Oh, I'm not advocating banning the book. I agree with you. What makes it particularly dastardly is that Baltar knew exactly how to exploit the feelings of the workers and did so, hoping to capitalize on their unhapppiness. I figure those that read it or were going to read it, will probably toss it out as their living/working conditions improve.
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Post by Onjel on Feb 25, 2007 23:09:27 GMT -5
Off to bed. Sleep tight, S'cubes!
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Post by Lola m on Feb 25, 2007 23:13:13 GMT -5
So, conditions still suck, the non-farm-boy gets hurt, Chief goes all Norma Rae and all the workers go on a strike for anything other than vital missions. Adama sees it as mutiny and is right from his perspective. The workers see it as a general strike and are right from their perspective. 'Course, what you really need is a slightly more thought out and organized system of worker movement. Discover all the possible skills, chart them, organize folks for rotation among common themes with opportunities to learn more skills, perhaps even find you can offer regular down-time for more people - and at least the downtime could be applied more fairly. And it would be good for the fleet to have knowledge spread among more people. Less of the "single point of failure" thing. But that can be hard to implement when you are A) running for your lives in a rag-tag fleet with not enough people and B) not wanting to listen to logical, sensible plans that are different than you are used to. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Feb 25, 2007 23:15:01 GMT -5
So the non-farmer is gonna lose his hand in saving all their lives getting the belt unjammed? Oh, just cut bad. Yeah, I imagine the new recruits are skittish, with no safety training, no safety equipment, and crap that could blow up at any time. Galen's gonna take a stand. And hopefully force Daddy Adama over to see the Jungle with his own eyes. And he seizes the means of production and shuts it down himself. "This plant is off-line!" was fine. "We're on strike!" is NOT. He should have said "Start overhauls!" Yup. Dramatic, but sort of overkill. I mean, each side is being so . . . excessively "I'm right". **nods**
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Post by Lola m on Feb 25, 2007 23:16:05 GMT -5
Thus we see the birth of not only the fascist societies to come, but socialism and the union movement. This is chock full of good stories today. Tyrol is a now more of a hero than Baltar of the book. Heeee! It's like History class, only with more sweaty pilot action. And Tyrol is soooo the hero!
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Post by Karen on Feb 25, 2007 23:20:39 GMT -5
Yes, very. Still don't think it should be banned...as those seeds of unrest were there before the book... it just put their feelings into words, and it's better to verbalize and deal with the emotions than hide them and let them fester. Oh, I'm not advocating banning the book. I agree with you. What makes it particularly dastardly is that Baltar knew exactly how to exploit the feelings of the workers and did so, hoping to capitalize on their unhapppiness. I figure those that read it or were going to read it, will probably toss it out as their living/working conditions improve. Yeah, Baltar is a weasel. Maybe Roslin should've shucked him out an airlock when she had the chance.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 25, 2007 23:33:07 GMT -5
Arrest and shoot Cally?! WTF?
Huh. So, basically, Adama was giving Chief a harsh . . . a damn harsh, look at how he should have handled things differently. Like, halted production, then asked to speak with the President, etc. etc. And then sends him to talk to her anyway. Adama was just making a point about the importance of orders, etc. Which is true.
In battle. But this isn't a battle.
So, I don't buy it. I think the first guy they arrested was sort of right. Until he did something to get their attention, they were gonna keep ignoring him.
And the fleet doesn't exist for the military. The military exists to protect the fleet. To save civilization, to save the civilians. Now, because of the small number of survivors, everyone needs to pitch in and work hard, etc. But not purely to serve the military's needs. That should be a means to an end, not the end itself. If the military loses sight of it's true purpose, then things go horribly awry.
And Chief proposes basically the same as what I said. Go, me! ;D
And it ends with Seelix getting her wings. Awwwwwwww.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 25, 2007 23:34:14 GMT -5
Adama is in a interesting situation. How do you convince the workers that they are in a state of war, when there isn't any fighting going on? The excuse of 'war' to keep them all working is not working. **nods** Because war can't be the permanent and sole reason for existing. Or else you might as well give up your humanity right now.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 25, 2007 23:36:35 GMT -5
"Labor dispute" Adama misunderstands what's going on. "Shoot her as a mutineer" in the starboard bay, Dogtown. Holy god, Adama. When did you become Admiral Cain? Adama, you are destroying the fleet yourself, with these actions. and you have just broken your ties with one of your strongest supporters by using the stick. Yeah, they caved. Caved in. She's gonna divorce him, I'm guessing. A good properly dramatic gesture. And Adama is giving him what he wanted, all the same. This may, MAY save his relationship with them. "Level the playing field" "Allocated to people who... people like yourself" That was a perfect moment. Because he is so totally right. It's at least a little bit of hope. You've got to be fighting for something, after all. Just fighting against won't hold up in the long run.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 25, 2007 23:38:50 GMT -5
What an absolutely fantastic ending to a very well written and well dramatized episode, there was absolutely nothing that I didnt love about this episode, I was intrigued, I was interested, I was torn on which way they would go. That's BSG alright. ;D Oooh, you've got some very good stuff ahead of you. Are you gonna post your reactions to the eps as you watch them?
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Post by Lola m on Feb 25, 2007 23:40:46 GMT -5
And now we get a total 180. whoosh... I think that she is mainly out to get Baltar. Thank goodness she saw reason with Tyrol. Admiral Adama was scary/then fatherly. Baltar's book was intended so sow the seeds of unrest among the worker bees and it was succeeding. Nasty piece of work that. **nods** Someone needed to point out the dangerous direction they were heading, but that's not what he was trying to do. Chief, on the other hand, was the perfect guy to bring into this situation. He got a little carried away, as did everyone, but he's the one who had ideas to fix things, rather than just tear everything down.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 25, 2007 23:41:54 GMT -5
Oh, I'm not advocating banning the book. I agree with you. What makes it particularly dastardly is that Baltar knew exactly how to exploit the feelings of the workers and did so, hoping to capitalize on their unhapppiness. I figure those that read it or were going to read it, will probably toss it out as their living/working conditions improve. Yeah, Baltar is a weasel. Maybe Roslin should've shucked him out an airlock when she had the chance. She must be jonesing for a good airlocking right about now. It's been so long!
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