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Post by Rachael on Mar 19, 2007 11:53:09 GMT -5
To understand why people do the things they do - especially in the case of Kara. He thinks defending Baltar will give him some insights. so in order to gain insight to Kara's death he is willing to help Baltar walk? Well, I hate to be the one to point this out...and someone might have done later on, anyway...but Baltar isn't actually guilty of any of the things he's charged with, IMO. He didn't deliberately lead the Cylons to New Caprica, he didn't voluntarily hand the remains of humanity over to Cylon rule, he didn't voluntarily order any deaths...everything he did on New Caprica was under extreme duress. He's complicit in the near-annihilation of his own species, but he's not charged with that. I mean, what would Roslin have done? I know, not settle in the first place. But that was democracy - people elected Baltar in part because they wanted to settle. So, that's done. Then the Cylons find you a year later. If you're president and the Cylons turn up with a "live under our rule or be wiped out" offer, what do you do? If you've got a gun to your head, and they want you to sign a death order - yeah, maybe you should let them shoot you. But it's very hard to make a moral judgement about that until you've had the gun to your head and the choice to make. We judge Baltar harshly because we know him, and he always chooses self-interest. He's also a huge coward. But...nevertheless, any "collaborating" he did was under duress. On New Caprica. Calling him "tyrant" and whatnot was hyperbole of the worst order - he wasn't, in fact, tyrannical. At all. So, IMO, Baltar SHOULD walk, at this trial. They haven't yet tried him for things he actually did that were truly voluntary crimes.
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 20, 2007 23:01:32 GMT -5
That might explain why it didn't sound too Irish, because he knows what that accent sounds like, but he was actually going for something different. More like whatever planet he's from. Someone here said he sounded a bit like Baltar's homeland accent.That was me, I think. Hey, am I nuts, or does Baltar NOT have a beard when he's in Six's brain, but does have a beard otherwise? The beard doesn't look fake, so I wonder how they do that. If it IS fake, then I wish their hairpiece person worked for Veronica Mars, because then Tim Foyle's wig might have looked a lot more natural. True about Tim's hair, but . . . Six's hair . . . is that real? It looks so uber-phone. Though I guess the color and the really "over-processed" look of it would look phony whether it is a wig or not.
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 20, 2007 23:13:34 GMT -5
so in order to gain insight to Kara's death he is willing to help Baltar walk? Well, I hate to be the one to point this out...and someone might have done later on, anyway...but Baltar isn't actually guilty of any of the things he's charged with, IMO. He didn't deliberately lead the Cylons to New Caprica, he didn't voluntarily hand the remains of humanity over to Cylon rule, he didn't voluntarily order any deaths...everything he did on New Caprica was under extreme duress. He's complicit in the near-annihilation of his own species, but he's not charged with that. I mean, what would Roslin have done? I know, not settle in the first place. But that was democracy - people elected Baltar in part because they wanted to settle. So, that's done. Then the Cylons find you a year later. If you're president and the Cylons turn up with a "live under our rule or be wiped out" offer, what do you do? If you've got a gun to your head, and they want you to sign a death order - yeah, maybe you should let them shoot you. But it's very hard to make a moral judgement about that until you've had the gun to your head and the choice to make. We judge Baltar harshly because we know him, and he always chooses self-interest. He's also a huge coward. But...nevertheless, any "collaborating" he did was under duress. On New Caprica. Calling him "tyrant" and whatnot was hyperbole of the worst order - he wasn't, in fact, tyrannical. At all. So, IMO, Baltar SHOULD walk, at this trial. They haven't yet tried him for things he actually did that were truly voluntary crimes. I can tell you that I am extremely confused about whether our defendant is guilty or not. Here's how it plays to me, who has watched about 3 full eps of BSG now . . . Baltar has some kind of actual "slimy weasel" thing going for him, but he feels completely misunderstood and very sorry for himself. And he is, in fact, partially misunderstood - he being villified absolutely, without any discrimination, by people who are hurt and angry and very much in need of something (someone) concrete to blame for everything - someone to strike out at. Baltar seems . . . weak. And I am guessing that it is in that weakness that his real crimes lie . . . I mean, its more likely that fearfulness and lack of action and willingness to compromise is where he let his people down (as opposed to actively going after them). I can believe he was not tyrannical. He doesn't seem capable of anything close to tyranny. DISCLAIMER: I don't know nothin' about BSG! I could be all wrong; am just guessing from the "feeling" I'm getting from the eps I've seen.
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 20, 2007 23:23:30 GMT -5
Well, I can't say I completely understood this episode, but I liked it. There certainly is some less than 100% loving history in there between father and son, I guess. I have to say, I was siding with Lee the whole way - which, since I know zero about the history, I'm sure is based on . . . the facts in . . . uh . . evidence. I couldn't believe that his wife left him! Just for defending a traitor to his species, whose actions (or lack thereof) might lead to the extinction of the human race? Instead, she should be trying like crazy to reproduce with Lee, and repopulate the Universe with humanity. Think how cute the babies would be! It's so wrong.
I loved the part where Lee was trying to nervously handle the questioning of Roslyn. He was so cute, I almost didn't notice that maybe he was kind of betraying her . . . oh . . . surely not!
I sure don't like eyepatch guy. He is so very nasty.
And what's up with messy-haired assistant to Roslyn?
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Post by Lola m on Mar 21, 2007 7:51:32 GMT -5
Well, I can't say I completely understood this episode, but I liked it. There certainly is some less than 100% loving history in there between father and son, I guess. I have to say, I was siding with Lee the whole way - which, since I know zero about the history, I'm sure is based on . . . the facts in . . . uh . . evidence. I couldn't believe that his wife left him! Just for defending a traitor to his species, whose actions (or lack thereof) might lead to the extinction of the human race? Instead, she should be trying like crazy to reproduce with Lee, and repopulate the Universe with humanity. Think how cute the babies would be! It's so wrong. I loved the part where Lee was trying to nervously handle the questioning of Roslyn. He was so cute, I almost didn't notice that maybe he was kind of betraying her . . . oh . . . surely not! I sure don't like eyepatch guy. He is so very nasty. And what's up with messy-haired assistant to Roslyn? Ahem. Yes. I completely understand that your Lee-favoritism is based on nothing but the facts. Tigh (who is the eyepatch guy) is seriously messed up. Has been messed up for years, but is waaaaaay more twisted after the events on New Caprica, that's for sure. And I want to know what's up with Roslin's assistant too. Something is going on there.
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Post by Sara on Mar 21, 2007 9:20:51 GMT -5
That was me, I think. Hey, am I nuts, or does Baltar NOT have a beard when he's in Six's brain, but does have a beard otherwise? The beard doesn't look fake, so I wonder how they do that. If it IS fake, then I wish their hairpiece person worked for Veronica Mars, because then Tim Foyle's wig might have looked a lot more natural. True about Tim's hair, but . . . Six's hair . . . is that real? It looks so uber-phone. Though I guess the color and the really "over-processed" look of it would look phony whether it is a wig or not. Six's hair is not real. I believe Tricia Helfer did dye it that color for the miniseries, but it was so harsh on her hair and scalp they switched to a wig instead. Having seen her sporting her natural hair on Supernatural last week, I definitely think she looks better just as she is. But on the other hand, the white-blonde look adds a certain other-worldly aura that works well for the character of Six. As for the beard, Fotada was right—he doesn't have it when he's talking to Six in her head.
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Post by Karen on Mar 21, 2007 14:36:40 GMT -5
True about Tim's hair, but . . . Six's hair . . . is that real? It looks so uber-phone. Though I guess the color and the really "over-processed" look of it would look phony whether it is a wig or not. Six's hair is not real. I believe Tricia Helfer did dye it that color for the miniseries, but it was so harsh on her hair and scalp they switched to a wig instead. Having seen her sporting her natural hair on Supernatural last week, I definitely think she looks better just as she is. But on the other hand, the white-blonde look adds a certain other-worldly aura that works well for the character of Six. As for the beard, Fotada was right—he doesn't have it when he's talking to Six in her head. Maybe they CGI the beard out in those scenes.
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Post by Sara on Mar 21, 2007 14:50:04 GMT -5
Six's hair is not real. I believe Tricia Helfer did dye it that color for the miniseries, but it was so harsh on her hair and scalp they switched to a wig instead. Having seen her sporting her natural hair on Supernatural last week, I definitely think she looks better just as she is. But on the other hand, the white-blonde look adds a certain other-worldly aura that works well for the character of Six. As for the beard, Fotada was right—he doesn't have it when he's talking to Six in her head. Maybe they CGI the beard out in those scenes. I doubt it; I suspect it would put the f/x budget through the roof. My guess is either the beard is fake or they filmed the Six/Imaginary!Baltar scenes later, after he'd shaved, and plugged them in the appropriate episodes.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 23, 2007 12:12:10 GMT -5
so in order to gain insight to Kara's death he is willing to help Baltar walk? Well, I hate to be the one to point this out...and someone might have done later on, anyway...but Baltar isn't actually guilty of any of the things he's charged with, IMO. He didn't deliberately lead the Cylons to New Caprica, he didn't voluntarily hand the remains of humanity over to Cylon rule, he didn't voluntarily order any deaths...everything he did on New Caprica was under extreme duress. He's complicit in the near-annihilation of his own species, but he's not charged with that. I mean, what would Roslin have done? I know, not settle in the first place. But that was democracy - people elected Baltar in part because they wanted to settle. So, that's done. Then the Cylons find you a year later. If you're president and the Cylons turn up with a "live under our rule or be wiped out" offer, what do you do? If you've got a gun to your head, and they want you to sign a death order - yeah, maybe you should let them shoot you. But it's very hard to make a moral judgement about that until you've had the gun to your head and the choice to make. We judge Baltar harshly because we know him, and he always chooses self-interest. He's also a huge coward. But...nevertheless, any "collaborating" he did was under duress. On New Caprica. Calling him "tyrant" and whatnot was hyperbole of the worst order - he wasn't, in fact, tyrannical. At all. So, IMO, Baltar SHOULD walk, at this trial. They haven't yet tried him for things he actually did that were truly voluntary crimes. Just realised that I never remembered to come back and respond to this post! Which, granted, is just saying mostly "eetah", but still.
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