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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:25:05 GMT -5
Really, she was captured by Indians? That's pretty cool. Did she fall in love with one of them and marry him? Can you tell that I've read way too many romance novels in my life?
Betsy Buckmaster
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:25:37 GMT -5
//I am conflicted about my dual desires to have the iconie Woman Warrior and to have Buffy reconcile her Slayerness and her Humanity. I want her to have it all//
Ellie, I do think that's a big part of the female empowerment message that Joss has tried to get across with Buffy -- that a woman can be strong and independent, and never give up those elements that make her a woman at the same time, like her soft femininity. Being a nice person doesn't mean being a perpetual patsy. I know, you asked about slayer vs. humanity, but that's really just a metaphor for strength vs. femininity. Buffy is supposed to stand as an icon that a woman can have it all; she can be in charge in the boardroom without having to be an iron bitch. She can love her husband without having to be his love slave. She can love her children without having to be a stay-at-home mom (if she so desires), or she can be a capable, intelligent woman who so chooses to be a stay-at-home mom if she so desires.
Female empowerment is about a woman being in charge of her own life without having to make sacrifices or put up with undo labels that a man making the same choices in his life would never have to endure.
Buffy does pull that off. She's a very strong female, who one would never want to meet up with on the wrong side of a knife-fight, but at the same time, no one would ever accuse her of being anything other than a young woman, as well. She demonstrates to girls everywhere that yes, you can have it all. And yes, you can be the slayer and hold on to your humanity as well.
It's not easy, but it can be done.
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:26:09 GMT -5
ok shoot me- I am back
I could not resist-
Betsy -you do know you have quite a talent there?
I want you to "keep" your next story and print it on this board.
please*pretty pretty* please at least consider it ( hey it worked for me last time!)
I know any thing you write will go over really big...
la la la ( apologies to Lee) Betsy may reconsider
and now - i really am out of here
ellie
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:27:22 GMT -5
I'm hoping the clouds will break up soon - moonrise at about 8:15 PST, I think. I'll let you all know if the werewolves do anything odd (see post#514)
Sweet dreams (howl....)
Anne
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:28:08 GMT -5
I was gratified to see The Zeppo make a lot of fans' 10 best lists. It's still the funniest, in my opinion, but I am hopelessly biased.
Spring does a wonderful analysis of this episode over at the S'cubie site. Check it out.
It's incredibly nice for you to single out Xander as the bravest Scooby; many feel the same way. I think he was strengthened by his confidence in Buffy.
Truthfully, I don't think anyone is as brave as Buffy herself, with the burden she's chosen to bear. She's lived with it for so long because of those she loves. Her strength is awesome to me.
Buffy found herself inspired by this goofy nerd's willingness to do whatever he could. They found something they needed in each other.
I never got everything I truly wanted deep in my heart between them, but I got enough. Buffy and Xander have something very special in their own way.
Rob Sorenson
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:28:34 GMT -5
Patti said:
I don't for a minute believe W&H are good guys now. WHY would they want to defeat evil? Are there not only First Evils but Second Evils and Third Evils, with their own congregations? It's too much for my compartmentalized mind.
Patti, I suspect here that you're having trouble with the Manichean Heresy--dividing up creation into Good and Evil. Instead, so far as we can tell in the Jossverse, the top is The Powers That Be--one of which was evidently Jasmine and not easily categorizable as evil in intent, per our long and exhaustive (whew!) discussions on that point.
Power doesn't come in just two flavors. Some are neutral. Some are favorable to humanity's interests at a given time yet inimical to those interests at a different time. The Powers have their own agendas and they are not mankind agendas. Creation is not human-centric. That fact that we can only judge by our own standards and by whether things are agreeable or disagreeable to us doesn't mean that creation is set up that way.
The Powers are not people and our ways are not their way. They are Other...not unlike Yaweh speaking to Job out of the whirlwind.
Nan
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:29:24 GMT -5
My take on Buffy wanting to use Faith's blood to save Angel is that it was Faith who put Angel's life in peril in the first place, by her own hand and not by accident but by design. To me, all life is precious, but if a life must be lost, I would prefer it to be the one who's actions caused the loss of life, not the innocent bystander. Of the two, I prefer it when the drunk driver dies in the car crash rather than the debutant on her way to the prom that was sober in the other car.
Buffy's understanding was that to save Angel, he would need to drain the blood of a slayer. Faith caused Angel's life to be at risk, therefore Faith's blood was called for to save Angel, for it was by her own hand that he was dying. Even when Faith's blood was no longer available, Buffy then was willing to sacrifice herself to save Angel, this time as an act of love. She didn't expect to survive, or I suspect she'd have probably been willing to give Angel her blood in the first place instead of going after Faith's blood. Buffy believed that someone was going to die, and since Faith tried to kill Angel, better it be Faith than Angel; and when Faith wasn't available, she was then willing to give her own life to save the man she loved. Good news was, in the end Angel didn't need to completely drain either of them, so no one had to die, but Buffy didn't know that.
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:29:51 GMT -5
David wrote of Buffy
// She demonstrates to girls everywhere that yes, you can have it all. And yes, you can be the slayer and hold on to your humanity as well.//
From your post to the writers of the finale's ears-
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:30:15 GMT -5
Yes folks, PLEASE don't spill the beans about the Matrix. I was hoping to have caught up with a friend to catch one of the showings tonight, but it didn't work out. Probably sometime next week, and the wait is killing me.
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:30:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear that you're depressed. I know that life can suck sometimes. Whenever I get that way I remind myself of how lucky I am to have such a wonderful family and close friends that love me in spite of my penchant for wierdness; not to mention two crazy, cuddly cats and a job that I enjoy, eventhough it will never make me rich. Life is full of beautiful moments, and I've been fortunate to experience a lot of them. So please don't be sad, Patti. Just remember that if life was perfect, what would we learn from it? And it's all about the learning. You can't take the money and posessions with you when it's over, but you will take your life experiences. And you'll probably find that you've grown and expanded in ways you could never imagine. Besides all that, you got to touch James Marsters!! And get a picture with him! That's pretty damn awesome, I must say!!
Betsy Buckmaster
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:31:19 GMT -5
David wrote of Buffy
// She demonstrates to girls everywhere that yes, you can have it all. And yes, you can be the slayer and hold on to your humanity as well.//
From your post to the writers of the finale's ears-
I am hoping that all you say will be borne out by the finale -
I am not enamoured of the mini slayers but I do not want to see them all massacred either....
Is Buffy to be den mother to any tht survive or is she intended to become the next Hidden One?
alright now- must not lift cursor again
ellie ja
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:31:54 GMT -5
Ellie, may I say without offense that your phrase:
b/4 the days that peopel talked about much backyard "romances" (bolding mine)
brings up an image having to do with immoral relations with livestock, which I know is not at all what you intended (or indeed said).
Just for a second, my eyebrows went through the ceiling and if this had been a post of David's rather than one of yours, I expect they would not yet have come down again.
Nan
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:32:19 GMT -5
//The good/bad news is average male: 31, average female: 39 //
That's good news if you ask me. I've always had a thing for older women.
{sings} "older women make beautiful lovers ...."
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:32:43 GMT -5
////Please don't hold the French part agin me//
Betsy -- I was sort of hoping you'd hold the French part against me!
Bad Dave, bad Dave!!!!
David Crenshaw
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Post by Dalton on Dec 16, 2003 17:33:14 GMT -5
I hope it wasn't a goodbye, either; but the Xander tributes from the show have been pretty frequent, if all too brief. I've got to give them their due.
Xander has had little shining moments all over season 7. It does have the feel of a goodbye, one that I would've had a very hard dealing with until Buffy's talk with him.
I can say goodbye to him now if I have to. I don't want to, but I can do it.
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