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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 22, 2004 18:44:25 GMT -5
Sitch? Is that a word I should recognize? (What is the word I kept reusing the other day? You know I like to just make 'em up Then I don't recognize the real ones!) I was pretty sure it was stitch. I've heard the saying many times (yep, on Kim Possible too Sara ). I just didn't remember it being one of Buffy's sayings. Of course this is the first episode so it may have just been a saying that kept coming up. Was just curious if I had missed other times she said it The 'softer side of Sears' always makes me think of the commercial. *sing songs it* I loved 'em too. I even liked Cordy despite her bully/bitchiness. 'sitch' -for situation. Yeah, it's not original to Buffy - we used it in my family for like - ever.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 22, 2004 18:45:57 GMT -5
Sitch? Is that a word I should recognize? (What is the word I kept reusing the other day? You know I like to just make 'em up Then I don't recognize the real ones!) I was pretty sure it was stitch. I've heard the saying many times (yep, on Kim Possible too Sara ). I just didn't remember it being one of Buffy's sayings. Of course this is the first episode so it may have just been a saying that kept coming up. Was just curious if I had missed other times she said it The 'softer side of Sears' always makes me think of the commercial. *sing songs it* I loved 'em too. I even liked Cordy despite her bully/bitchiness. Absolutely wild avatar!!! *grin*
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Post by raenstorm on Jun 22, 2004 18:48:23 GMT -5
The buffyworld.com transcript has it as "sitch," for whatever that's worth. Interesting. My scriptbook has it the same way. I stand corrected. Now, if I only knew what a 'sitch' was?? I kinda get it as 'stitch' but not 'sitch'.
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Post by raenstorm on Jun 22, 2004 18:49:58 GMT -5
'sitch' -for situation. Yeah, it's not original to Buffy - we used it in my family for like - ever. ohhhh... D'oh!! that makes so much more sense then the way I had explained it ot myself ;D
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Post by raenstorm on Jun 22, 2004 18:50:27 GMT -5
ohhhh... D'oh!! that makes so much more sense then the way I had explained it ot myself ;D And, sadly... I've actually used it myself. *smacks herself around*
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Post by raenstorm on Jun 22, 2004 18:51:14 GMT -5
Absolutely wild avatar!!! *grin* Thanks
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Post by Queen E on Jun 22, 2004 18:58:16 GMT -5
Foreshadowings (a couple, anyway):
1. BUFFY: Well, this is nice. I-it's a little bare, but a dash of paint, a few throw pillows... call it home! (Spike's crypt, later on)
2. XANDER: Oh, me and Buffy go waaay back, old friends, very close. Then there's that period of estrangement where I think we were both growing as people, but now here we are, like old times, I'm quite moved. (pretty much the entire arc of their friendship, all the way up to Chosen, in a nutshell)
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Post by Queen E on Jun 22, 2004 19:00:57 GMT -5
And my dork giggle for the day:
"Do you have Mr. Chomsky for history?" (veiled reference to Noam Chomsky?)
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Post by Lola m on Jun 22, 2004 19:11:44 GMT -5
A Long Way to Go Looking Back Part I In every generation there is a Chosen One. She alone will stand against the vampires, the demons and the forces of darkness. She is the Slayer.These are the words that changed our lives for eight years. How does one review the changing of a life? How unlikely is it that a show named “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” would change the lives of not one or a few, but millions. Buffy has been reviewed, analyzed, dissected, picked, adored, reviled, blessed and cursed. When Season Seven was about to air, Joss Whedon announced that they were going back to the beginning. I’m going to go him one better. I am going to review his series in reverse perspective. This is the beginning—as seen from the end. From my perspective, a crater marks the place where a town named Sunnydale once stood. The people, human and otherwise, who populated it are gone now. Some are dead, some live elsewhere. Skipping the opening sequence over which much has already been made, we open “Welcome to the Hellmouth” to a Sunnydale that is a thriving little community, bright and bustling. Perhaps my retrospective review should discuss my impressions as I watch and save discussion of the story for Part II. The first thing that touches me is how very young Buffy is, how soft she looks. After viewing “Chosen” I watch WTTHM and see a Buffy without the marks and scars—emotional and physical—left by years of fighting evil. Her face is soft and round and untroubled. She is still a child in so many ways. Her biggest worry is whether she will make friends and the thought of saving the world and the sacrifices it will require, not once but over and over, troubles her mind not at all. She is an only child now and her Dawnless existence holds an emptiness that I could never have noticed otherwise. <snipped for space> Great idea to handle the review, Diane - the beginning as seen from the end. Because they are so combined and mixed to me - I don't think I could view these Buffy eps from the beginning without seeing all the layers that time has laid over them. So I loved being given "permission" as it were, not to have to. To be allowed to see them at the start but not forgetting all that is going to happen. So many little things struck me. * Just as she herself remembers with embarrassment later, Buffy is a bit empty headed, a bit Cordy-esque, a bit whiney and pouty. But not entirely. She sees the value in Willow right off and first questions Cordy's value when she sees how queen C treats Willow. * I think we've had the discussion here before wondering why Buffy didn't realize that Angel was a vamp. I think it's all part of being Watcherless for a while along with her desire to have a "normal" life - to not be a slayer. It might be unconscious on her part, but I think she is blocking some of her training and her gift. Giles obviously thinks she should be able to just "see them, know them, sense them" - so it does appear to be a slayer trait right from the start. She just isn't doing it. I also wonder if this is why her fighting is not up to the level she will reach later. Not training with a Watcher, yes, but perhaps also the desire not to deal with her slayerness affecting her abilities? * When she balanced in a handstand on the bar to catch Angel and then he says to her "You're pretty spry" my heart just went into a little *crumple/sad* place remembering OMWF. The training room with Giles and her doing the handstand and then saying "pretty spry for a corpse". She was trying to act all normal and quip-y and was so sad and depressed inside. As you said above, Diane, one of the first things that struck me was how young, how unscarred and untouched they all seem here. Of course, we'll learn over time how accurate or not that first impression is, but just for now, just here at the start of it all and when compared with the knowledge of what is to come for all of them - they just all seem so innocent. Lola
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Post by Lola m on Jun 22, 2004 19:18:11 GMT -5
Foreshadowings (a couple, anyway): 1. BUFFY: Well, this is nice. I-it's a little bare, but a dash of paint, a few throw pillows... call it home! (Spike's crypt, later on) 2. XANDER: Oh, me and Buffy go waaay back, old friends, very close. Then there's that period of estrangement where I think we were both growing as people, but now here we are, like old times, I'm quite moved. (pretty much the entire arc of their friendship, all the way up to Chosen, in a nutshell) Oooh, cool! I hadn't thought of Xander's speech that way. I had just been enjoying all his and Willow's first examples of their own patented brand of babbling and hadn't really looked farther yet. Neat! I will admit that I was geeky enough to go slo-mo through Buffy's dream so I could really see all the images they used. Maybe if I am really ambitious I will write up the whole list and post it so we can see how prophetic it is. Altho......Giles doesn't call it a prophetic dream here - he asks her about "the nightmares". So I flashed a bit on Dana the crazy slayer then. Hmmmm. Lola
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Post by Queen E on Jun 22, 2004 19:41:41 GMT -5
Oooh, cool! I hadn't thought of Xander's speech that way. I had just been enjoying all his and Willow's first examples of their own patented brand of babbling and hadn't really looked farther yet. Neat! I will admit that I was geeky enough to go slo-mo through Buffy's dream so I could really see all the images they used. Maybe if I am really ambitious I will write up the whole list and post it so we can see how prophetic it is. Altho......Giles doesn't call it a prophetic dream here - he asks her about "the nightmares". So I flashed a bit on Dana the crazy slayer then. Hmmmm. Lola Do it! That would be cool. And as for Xander's speech, it also applies to Season 1: growing closer, then he asks her out (period of estrangement where they grew as people), and finally saves her life so she can defeat the master (closer than ever).
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Post by Lola m on Jun 22, 2004 19:58:18 GMT -5
Do it! That would be cool. And as for Xander's speech, it also applies to Season 1: growing closer, then he asks her out (period of estrangement where they grew as people), and finally saves her life so she can defeat the master (closer than ever). You asked for it - this is your fault!! Buffy’s dream/nightmare from the start of Welcome to the Hellmouth: Pool of blood Master’s underground lair with someone holding a torch Skull (just for a frame or so, you don’t really see it unless you are going frame by frame, um, like dorky me) Master’s underground lair with someone holding a torch Graveyard at night, then in daytime A stone angel from a grave marker (overlaying Buffy’s face – she moves restlessly in her sleep) A different stone angel standing on top of a headstone The Master in his lair – image intermingling with the graveyard scene Skull A dancing Hindu Goddess or God – probably Shiva? I didn’t look long enough to verify. The Master in his lair raising his arms up slowly and overdramatically - well, that's the Master all right Skull A mummy hand punching out of a sarcophagus and making kind of grabby, clawing motions, overlaying Buffy’s sleeping face, like it was clawing at her (hee hee, even tho’ it was creepy I still giggled … ‘ cuz, duh! Mummy hand!) ;D Tentacle-ly creepy wormy thing Guy lighting a torch, seen from behind so you can’t see who, but for some reason I say “Giles” Master’s hand drawing a knife thing A horned demon face turning toward us with glowy red eyes – frankly it looked like a Fyaral demon to me The Master’s hand holding the knife thing, superimposed over Buffy’s sleeping face so it looks like the knife is at her throat (then she is shown stirring in her sleep) Tentacle-ly creepy wormy thing again OMG is this the mock apocalypsy thing from the Zeppo?! Hand that looks like the Master’s reaching for a smallish wooden cross The Vampyre book cover Woodcut drawings of medieval people with a cauldron and a demon guy reaching out his hand and a line of fire coming from it – the one we see Giles looking at later in the ep Buffy’s cross in a box that Angel will give her later in the ep A bunch of vamps walking through the night – not the same scene as later in the ep – it’s a larger bunch – all kind of silhouetted against a kind of foggy night sky Tentacle-ly creepy wormy thing again and the Master’s hand A grave marked with the name Van Der Lohe The pool of blood again A vamp face A clawed hand – not the master’s hand, bigger and more demony – resting on top of someone’s head – dark haired – not like it was gonna hurt the person, but like it was placing the hand there gently The arm of a chair, looked like the Master’s chair – yeah, just the curvy arm of the chair – and it went on for a bunch of frames – what’s up with that? The graveyard again – looking like daytime Then a montage: the vamp faces we’ll see at the end of the ep, then Buffy stirring in her sleep with a shadow looming over her bed, then vamps again, then Buffy, etc. etc. with the vamp scene going all tilty and twisty and then the Master’s face looking off to the side and then turning to look right at us – there’s a growl and Buffy wakes up. Whew. OK, just how geeky am I?! Really, really, really geeky. I soooooo hope that this turns out to have been worth it – the rest of you better find all kinds of subtle nuance and so on. Not just the obvious, “duh that’s what happens this season” stuff I am seeing right now. Lola
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Post by KMInfinity on Jun 22, 2004 19:59:02 GMT -5
Wow. Reading thru this thread, I've pretty much crossed off everything from my notes. A couple leftovers.. Is Willow wearing the same outfit this first day that shes wearing in her nightmare in Restless? Interesting Angel comment to Buffy about what she wants to do - "Kill 'em all" - I too got a "Harmony" feel to Darla. I understand the issue, but it certainly is weird. I kinda think I'll go with Rae's idea that Darla's hiding her power fro some reason. The initial confrontation with Buffy and Giles in the library, about not wanting to accept the Slayer calling - the issues change, but the conflict within her remains throughout the series. In high school, Buffy's worried about having a life so she can fit in, and in Season 7 she's still struggling with what it is doing to her. I wonder, (I don't know much Slayer lore outside of the actual series) did other Slayers feel the destiny more strongly, or were more resigned to their fates, or revel in it, as Faith seemed to? How did other Slayers respond to their calling? Maybe I've forgotten, and it will be revealed as the season progresses, but where exactly had the Master been before Luke raised him out of that pool of goo?
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Post by Barb on Jun 22, 2004 20:05:42 GMT -5
Oh! Giles said Buffy accepted the responsibility. That makes it sound like she had a choice about being a Slayer. Surely Buffy wasn't the first to rebel....
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Jun 22, 2004 20:09:07 GMT -5
Wow. Reading thru this thread, I've pretty much crossed off everything from my notes. A couple leftovers.. Is Willow wearing the same outfit this first day that shes wearing in her nightmare in Restless? Interesting Angel comment to Buffy about what she wants to do - "Kill 'em all" - I too got a "Harmony" feel to Darla. I understand the issue, but it certainly is weird. I kinda think I'll go with Rae's idea that Darla's hiding her power fro some reason. The initial confrontation with Buffy and Giles in the library, about not wanting to accept the Slayer calling - the issues change, but the conflict within her remains throughout the series. In high school, Buffy's worried about having a life so she can fit in, and in Season 7 she's still struggling with what it is doing to her. I wonder, (I don't know much Slayer lore outside of the actual series) did other Slayers feel the destiny more strongly, or were more resigned to their fates, or revel in it, as Faith seemed to? How did other Slayers respond to their calling? Maybe I've forgotten, and it will be revealed as the season progresses, but where exactly had the Master been before Luke raised him out of that pool of goo? Glad you joined us in this discussion, KMI. Seems like we're almost the only game in town, these days, so it's important to circle the wagons, shake your gourd, and do the hokey pokey with the rest of us hokey pokeying S'cubies....
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