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Post by Onjel on Mar 14, 2008 6:57:12 GMT -5
Okay, so how did I miss Jeff Fahey? Huh? I didn't even notice him!
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Post by Onjel on Mar 14, 2008 6:59:37 GMT -5
Yes, we of the Joss school know it's Never happy ever after. I think the Jin/Panda line started becoming weird with the taxi/phone thing. Up to then I was buying the he's rushing to get to Sun storyline but that just seemed so hinky. And then the phone calls. I was starting to think it was something weird when he kept getting the phone calls but no way did I guess it was a flashback. This show just jumps all over linear time. I suppose the tip off should have been how scared he looked about not having the panda, about things not being just right. That wasn't "I'm worried about my wife and baby" fear, that was "I have to have this damn panda or I may lose my head" fear. But of course I can see all this in hindsight, not so much in the heat of the moment. ;D Oh, and the fact that it had to be a Panda, the national symbol of China. That one went right over my head.
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Post by Onjel on Mar 14, 2008 7:02:23 GMT -5
Looks like. I was hoping it might be part of their cover story as the Oceanic 6, but no way was Sun pretending there. And my love for Hurley officially knows no bounds. I will continue to live in "wacky island hijinks" denial for a while. And yes, Hurley is once again the most awesome of men. Most awesome of dudes! I'm moving in with you. ;D I fear, though that our denial may be for naught. But, until it's proven, I'm comfortable in the Land of Denial.
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Post by Sara on Mar 14, 2008 8:28:37 GMT -5
Yeah, something about that whole scene just seemed off. I wonder if Sun's scenes are a flash forward, and Jin's are a flashback to the birth of another baby altogether? Oh, I hate you. I wish I had been watching with you so I didn't get caught so blindsided by it because I wasn't noticing and stuff. Looking back, there are two early indicators that Jin's story is a flashback: his cellphone was rather outdated, and the storekeeper commented on it being the year of the Dragon—the last year of the Dragon was (according to lostpedia) 2000, with the next one occurring in 2012. So either Jin's story had to be set before the crash or Sun experienced the longest pregnancy in human history. Of course, that was the one thing I didn't go check on, as I was busy reading the summary of the Jules Verne book during the commercial breaks.
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Post by Sara on Mar 14, 2008 8:29:42 GMT -5
Okay, so how did I miss Jeff Fahey? Huh? I didn't even notice him! 'Cause he's all scraggly with longish hair and a goatee?
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Post by Sara on Mar 14, 2008 8:58:47 GMT -5
Oooo, Doc Jensen over at EW has offered an interesting theory as to why Regina may have killed herself: remember Naomi's bracelet, which said "N, I'll always be with you, R.G."? Perhaps Regina was R.G. 'Cause if you add Naomi's death to whatever it is about the area that's causing folks to have a particularly intense case of cabin fever, it becomes rather unsurprising (though no less sad) that Regina might opt to shuffle off this mortal coil.
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Post by Sara on Mar 14, 2008 9:05:25 GMT -5
Oh, and Jensen believes we now know the entire roster of the Oceanic 6: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, and Aaron.
Me, for some reason I'm still not so certain Aaron counts. Mostly because, as I noted earlier, when asked the producers wouldn't confirm it one way or the other. Although their answer came before this episode aired, so perhaps they simply wanted to make sure they preserved the surprise: if they'd confirmed Aaron was one of the O6, then we all would have known Sun was the sixth and thus that Jin's scenes couldn't be taking place concurrently with hers.
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Post by Sue on Mar 14, 2008 9:15:27 GMT -5
Oh, and Jensen believes we now know the entire roster of the Oceanic 6: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, and Aaron. Me, for some reason I'm still not so certain Aaron counts. Mostly because, as I noted earlier, when asked the producers wouldn't confirm it one way or the other. Although their answer came before this episode aired, so perhaps they simply wanted to make sure they preserved the surprise: if they'd confirmed Aaron was one of the O6, then we all would have known Sun was the sixth and thus that Jin's scenes couldn't be taking place concurrently with hers. I'm not even watching, although sometimes I regret that (but I just don't have the patience for so many mysteries and plotlines and the set-up of being stranded away from home and the truly creepy bad guys weigh the "gives me the creeps" side of my scale down heavier, than the "I'm fascinated" side). All that aside, baby Aaron was certainly not on the original passenger roster of the plane flight. So, even though he may be a survivor who made it off the island I certainly think you could argue that he's not one of the Oceanic 6. Just as a justification for not calling him one of the 6.
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Post by Sara on Mar 14, 2008 9:26:28 GMT -5
Oh, and Jensen believes we now know the entire roster of the Oceanic 6: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, and Aaron. Me, for some reason I'm still not so certain Aaron counts. Mostly because, as I noted earlier, when asked the producers wouldn't confirm it one way or the other. Although their answer came before this episode aired, so perhaps they simply wanted to make sure they preserved the surprise: if they'd confirmed Aaron was one of the O6, then we all would have known Sun was the sixth and thus that Jin's scenes couldn't be taking place concurrently with hers. I'm not even watching, although sometimes I regret that (but I just don't have the patience for so many mysteries and plotlines and the set-up of being stranded away from home and the truly creepy bad guys weigh the "gives me the creeps" side of my scale down heavier, than the "I'm fascinated" side). All that aside, baby Aaron was certainly not on the original passenger roster of the plane flight. So, even though he may be a survivor who made it off the island I certainly think you could argue that he's not one of the Oceanic 6. Just as a justification for not calling him one of the 6. And an excellent justification it is. One thing Jensen points out is that the media won't necessarily make that kind of distinction, however; once they've come up with a catchy name like the Oceanic 6 they're going to stick with it regardless of whether it's entirely accurate. So if they were immediately labeled the Oceanic 6 upon their return, the subsequent discovery that Aaron wasn't on the manifest probably wouldn't have mattered enough to change the nickname. I think he definitely has a very valid point, and one I find hard to argue against. Yet I still don't feel like we know who all six are yet. Of course, later today I'll probably find out via TV Guide or something that the producers have now confirmed Aaron is one of the O6 after all.
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Post by Sara on Mar 14, 2008 9:53:31 GMT -5
Quoting Ryan McGee's recap/review over at zap2it.com:
As for Michael: I didn't want to merely mention him and forget all about him, but thanks, ABC promo monkeys. And thanks, union- rules- that- require- Lost- to- constantly- show- Harold- Perrineau- in- every- opening- credit- sequence- this- season for completely ruining that surprise for us.
I couldn't agree more, Ryan.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Mar 14, 2008 9:58:16 GMT -5
Quoting Ryan McGee's recap/review over at zap2it.com: As for Michael: I didn't want to merely mention him and forget all about him, but thanks, ABC promo monkeys. And thanks, union-rules-that-require-Lost-to-constantly-show-Harold-Perrineau-in-every-opening-credit-sequence-this-season for completely ruining that surprise for us.I couldn't agree more, Ryan. I haven't watched the episode yet, nor did I see any spoily promos, but I guessed last week that it'd be Michael - he's the most logical suspect. I have no shame; I come over here on Friday mornings and read the discussion. I think it's because I don't really care anymore. Actually, I do have some shame left; at least I don't go spoiler-hunting*. *Please note that this refers only to me, not to anyone else. Spoiler-hunting is a noble art, just not one I choose to pursue. A vague disclaimer, etc, etc...
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Post by Vlad on Mar 16, 2008 14:45:27 GMT -5
So, that scene with Jin buying the Panda seems not quite right. Wouldn't he have been recognized by the store clerk as one of the Oceanic 6? But he wasn't. Does this mean anything? Oh, you know those Koreans... they all look alike. Seriously, how many people actually recognize a news media celebrity? I mean, lots do, but honestly, tons of "famous" people that I have seen in the news could approach me on the street and I wouldn't recognize them, or at most think "Man, they look familiar." Vlad
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Post by RAKSHA on Mar 17, 2008 0:26:45 GMT -5
I missed this episode; but from the descriptions, it's just as well; since it sounds like the episode was extremely confusing and didn't solve anything...
I would like to know how and why Claire was separated from Aaron - has that been revealed? Is she dead?
And Michael's back? What happened to Walt?
G.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Mar 17, 2008 8:14:55 GMT -5
So. Having finally watched this episode - Singularly unsatisfying. Is it just me, or is there no real plan? So far, we've seen drunken!Jack desperately trying to get back to The Island, and together!Jack being all supportive of Kate, who apparently inherited Aaron from Claire (interesting that Kate is in both of Jack's futures), and asylum-bathrobe!Hurley and together-in-suit!Hurley (and didn't he clean up well). We've seen Sun and her baby, and we've been given possibly questionable evidence that Jin died at some point before the baby's birth. We've seen Assassin!Sayid, and we've seen Ben. As near as I can remember, based on this, we know five of the Oceanic 6 - Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Sun. I am not counting Aaron at this point, as my guess is that they're going by the flight manifest. I'm sure I've forgotten a lot more; anyone who cares to step in and add a few, please do. I have a theory. The Island is a nexus, or transit hub, for different possible future timelines. Maybe even past timelines, or complete timelines, which might explain the wreckage at the bottom of the ocean. Or not. So we're seeing multiple possible futures for various Losties. Or, the writers have been smoking something really interesting, or they have too many ideas and can't bear to choose just one, or Vincent has eaten their homework playbook and they no longer have a long-term plan, or indeed any plan whatsoever aside from "deluge the viewers with red herrings and hope they can't keep track". Anne, I knew it was going to be Michael
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Post by Sara on Mar 17, 2008 13:35:39 GMT -5
So. Having finally watched this episode - Singularly unsatisfying. Is it just me, or is there no real plan? So far, we've seen drunken!Jack desperately trying to get back to The Island, and together!Jack being all supportive of Kate, who apparently inherited Aaron from Claire (interesting that Kate is in both of Jack's futures), and asylum-bathrobe!Hurley and together-in-suit!Hurley (and didn't he clean up well). We've seen Sun and her baby, and we've been given possibly questionable evidence that Jin died at some point before the baby's birth. We've seen Assassin!Sayid, and we've seen Ben. As near as I can remember, based on this, we know five of the Oceanic 6 - Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Sun. I am not counting Aaron at this point, as my guess is that they're going by the flight manifest. I'm sure I've forgotten a lot more; anyone who cares to step in and add a few, please do. I have a theory. The Island is a nexus, or transit hub, for different possible future timelines. Maybe even past timelines, or complete timelines, which might explain the wreckage at the bottom of the ocean. Or not. So we're seeing multiple possible futures for various Losties. Or, the writers have been smoking something really interesting, or they have too many ideas and can't bear to choose just one, or Vincent has eaten their homework playbook and they no longer have a long-term plan, or indeed any plan whatsoever aside from "deluge the viewers with red herrings and hope they can't keep track". Anne, I knew it was going to be Michael Well, I don't know what to tell you. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned before that almost from the beginning I've read numerous interviews in which the producers have insisted they know exactly where they're going with this story. They've also recently observed that finally having an end date has really fired them up creatively going into this year, as now they can decide exactly how and when to parcel out the plot twists, cliffhangers, and tidbits of information—before it was as if they were trying to write a book without any control over how many chapters it would be. As evidence, consider this: if they were still trying to stretch things out, uncertain as to how long their run would be, do you think we'd know who even half of the Oceanic 6 are by this point, much less be able to name for certain at least 5 of them? Somehow, I suspect not. I can also say this: to the best of my knowledge, neither Cuse or Lindelof have ever outright lied in an interview while discussing the show. They'll certainly be vague or offer cryptic clues if discussing a plot point that's being covered in a future episode, or even say "such-and-such a question is not going to be dealt with this season, but we will be addressing it in season 5." And after unequivocally stating some of the theories floating around out there are wrong, such as the one suggesting the Losties were in purgatory, they've never then turned around and aired an episode suggesting a theory they've debunked is indeed a valid possibility. Myself, I think we've seen too many bits and pieces from previous seasons later become relevant to ascribe it to mere chance or good fortune, so I tend to believe there is a master blueprint from which they're working as they tell the story—and like any good mystery writers, they're trying to dole out just enough information to keep a number of possibilities viable yet not enough so that we've guessed the ending several chapters before the actual reveal. Anyway, I think what it boils down to is this: either you take the producers at their word when they say they've got a plan, or not. Me, I believe them. As always though, YMMV, etc...
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