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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:13:28 GMT -5
Nice parellel with the opening scene of the series, there, all calm and quiet.C'mon, Brother! you've lived through much worse than this! ya know, guys, it works better if you have TWO people doing it.. well, it worked well enough as it was. Flashback to the future. Kate's house. Guess who's calling again? I guess it isn't Jack. Crap, it's the midget from Twin Peaks. And like any sensible American, Kate owns a gun to kill.. CLAIRE?!?! HOLY CRAP!!!! AAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Unless we like, overlooked it, dude, that's what he did" Good for Hurley. Boat! Boat boat! is it the refugees from the island? or someone with a gun again? This went poorly the last time.. "People that we left behind, wherever they wound up" The Oceanic Six. Plus two. Oh! It's Penny's boat! Oh, happy day! at least one happy reunion here! oh, the looks on their faces are beautiful and magnificent.... Odysseus finally comes home. Ooh, another one.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:17:03 GMT -5
Of course, no one will notice that it's not an airline life raft. heh. "See you in another life, Brother" Ship's named the Searcher. How... blunt. And their "finally making it to civilization" Poor conflicted Kate... Drunken crazy Jack. Great. This is after he's nearly killed himself and saved that other gal that ran into his truck, no? Okay, he's gonna look in the box. Who is it? Who is it? Who is it? SHEEZUS! Locke. Locke is in the box. He's Bentham. Maybe. Oh, crap, all of them have to go back. CRAP. Oh, he's the other one Sun blames for Jin's death."Perhaps I can help you with that" ohhhh, boy. Crazy bad guy wants to go back to the island! LOCKE!!!!!! Oh, right. I had forgotten about that.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:18:28 GMT -5
Of course, no one will notice that it's not an airline life raft. Well, on the island they're gonna use the story that they were on another island and this raft was blown to them, so I think that will jibe with their little fiction. One, get a really big box. Two, put the Locke in the box. Three, make Jack open the box. And that's the way you do it, put a Locke in a box!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:19:19 GMT -5
Well. Ain't that a kick in the head? I'm trying to figure out if that qualifies on my Bingo card as "Locke can't walk"? And did we manage to get BINGO or not?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:21:11 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out if that qualifies on my Bingo card as "Locke can't walk"? Um... I'm gonna say yes. Jeremy Bentham: 18th Century English Philosopher and inventor of the Panopticon Prison. How apropos.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:23:33 GMT -5
A great season finale; though I'm quite peeved about the ending. I think they should have saved Locke's demise for the final season.
I'm squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeing about the Desmond/Penny reunion -finally, a happy ending for someone !
Does Desmond know that Penny's father is behind the orders-to-kill expedition?
Who is Kate sleeping with/married to in the most current future?
I personally think that Sawyer and Juliette are going to become an item, at least until Jack and Kate return.
Is Benry still connected to the island? Why is he the island's spokesman to Jack again? And why is the island, through Claire, sending a different message to Kate?
It's kind of sad that after finally getting the recognition he wanted, and followers, Locke is dead just two years later.
I hope that Sun takes down Whidmore, any way she can, to avenge Jin's death.
I liked the way that Michael and Jin worked together, and that Michael urged Jin to leave, to be with his pregnant wife; they have both loved her.
In the end of the series, I have the feeling that Jack will end up leading both factions of the Island; though I think Walt might stay there too - he seems to be very much at loose ends living with Grandma.
G.
I don't think she was with anyone. She just kept the house that she and Jack had. Juliet and Sawyer did seem like they were getting couply in the end.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:25:32 GMT -5
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:28:50 GMT -5
Some interesting facts from the Lostpedia entries for "No Place Like Home": - Each year the producers have a special name for a secret scene in that year's finale. This year's special name turned about to be literal - "Frozen Donkey Wheel", referring to the frozen wheel Ben has to turn to activate the teleportation of the island.
- During the airing of Part 3, a commercial for Octagon Global Recruiting aired. This organization is looking for applicants for the DHARMA Initiative. Their recruitment drive begins in San Diego on July 24th - 27th, 2008. This is the same date as ComicCon '08.
- During her flash-forward dream sequence, Kate receives a garbled phone call. When played backwards, the message states: "The Island needs you. You have to go back before it's too late."
- Membata, the name of the island Oceanic claimed the Six lived on, is Indonesian for "doubt" or "uncertainty".
- A Geronimo Jackson record jacket can be seen near the DJ at Hurley's party.
- As we see the Geronimo Jackson record, a kid, with the number 42 on his jersey comes in and out of frame. Another child has a jersey with the number 23.
- The mirror Ben uses is called a heliograph, or signaling mirror. They were commonly used by military forces in the early half of the 20th century. They are still included in survival kits for emergency signaling to search and rescue aircraft. They typically have directions printed on the non-reflective side.
- At Hurley's surprise birthday party, Sayid is seen sporting a wedding band, implying that he and Nadia have been married by this point.
- What can be seen of Ben's mirror message, interpreted in Morse code, translates to "seise" [1]. The reply was "sii" [2] (although there may have been another letter after the "s" while Locke was raising his binoculars).
- Hurley can be seen holding a bag from Mr. Cluck's Chicken Shack while entering his house.
- Tripometers, where the lower four numbers (2342) appeared on Hurley's birthday car, were not standard on the 1970-1972 Camaro, so it seems Hurley's father replaced the original speedometer unit with an aftermarket model when he refurbished the car.
- The logo for the Orchid in Daniel's journal confirms that the Orchid is the logo on Ben's parka in the Sahara.
- On the enhanced version of the episode with new footage that was shown before part 2 it was revealed that Boone, Libby, and Charlie are the other 3 that, in the cover up, died on the island. Coincidentally, these three characters are the only characters that have appeared in prominent visions of other characters after their demise: (Boone appearing to Locke, Libby appearing to Michael and Charlie appearing to Hurley).
- Claire does not appear in this episode. Additionally, this is the first episode to have Aaron appear without his mother.
- The Oceanic 6 were aboard a United States Coast Guard (USCG)[3] Lockheed HC-130[4] search and rescue transport aircraft being flown by two USCG Lieutenants (O-3).
- The Lockheed HC-130 number 1717 was acquired by the USCG under an US Air Force (USAF) aircraft purchase contract addendum in 1986[5].
- The Oceanic 6 landed at Kalaeloa Airport[6], home of the Coast Guard Air Station (CGAS) Barbers Point[7], as indicated by the plane's markings and the distinctive air traffic control tower[8].
- The press conference was most likely held in the CGAS hangars[9].
- Several large sea turtles can be seen on the daytime beach shots.
- Carole Littleton is played by Susan Duerden in this episode. When she first appeared in "Par Avion", she was played by Arlene Newman-Van Asperen. Her part in that episode had no speaking lines.
- This is the only episode of season 4 in which all credited cast members appear.
- This is the second time an episode of Lost features footage filmed outside of the United States. The London scene between Sun and Charles Widmore was filmed in London due to Alan Dale performing on stage in the West End production of Spamalot during filming of the second block of Season 4. The first time was during "The Shape of Things to Come" (the scene between Ben and Widmore was shot in London for the same reason).
- Two alternate endings were also shot with Sawyer and Desmond in the coffin.
- Malcolm David Kelley's first speaking role since "Through the Looking Glass."
Neato. Which version of the episode is going to be considered canon, I wonder? And what do "seis" and "sii" mean?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:30:15 GMT -5
Benry told Jack that the Island wants all of them back - I bet that "all" includes Michael; which would give credence to your theory that Vincent is the One Behind It All - he wants his boy back...
Alas, poor Locke!
G.Oooh, you mean Walt? (Because while I'm still holding out hope against all odds that Jin jumped overboard and survived, I think Michael is definitely dead, what with the being right next to the bomb and Mystical!Island!ChristianorishereallyJacob telling him he was free now/could go now.) That is an excellent point. I mean when Locke said they "all" had to return, how many were involved in that "all"? Like, is Desmond included, even though he was on the Island long before the Losties? That is a good point. Why didn't Ben say anything about Walt?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:30:49 GMT -5
Fun Lost fact to know and tell: Aaron as a toddler is portrayed by one of the many kids who played him as a newborn. Neat.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:34:47 GMT -5
Sara - once again you are the fabulous fact finder/bringer. So, anyone ready to speculate about the next season yet? We have 2 more seasons, yes? So, I'm thinking that next season we'll spit out time between the wacky machinations of the outside world, (Whidmore and Benry and Dharma and Paik and the Losties trying to either gather together or hide, trying to get to or run from the Island), and the IslandJumpers, (finding out what goes so very horribly wrong that sends Locke out to hunt them all down in the future). And then the end of the season the Losties all manage to return and the big dramatic season ender is that they find a giant four-toed Vincent running the Island with an Iron Paw. Then, for the last season, the Island and all the inhabitants leave Earth and have rollicking adventures as space pirates. I'm wondering whether we're going to pick up from what happened with the island moving or in the future which is actually the present. Flashbacks or flashforwards? Anything is possible at this point. I'm guessing that one season is going to focus on Widmore, and one is going to focus on The Others and the islands Ancient history.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:37:29 GMT -5
The island going all glowy is a parallel to the Swan imploding and the light turning purple.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 14:51:26 GMT -5
You know, Aaron did turn out to be raised by a couple in LA, just like the psychic said.
But, Desmond's vision of Claire making it on to a helicopter didn't happen. Unless she's actually not dead.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 16:47:36 GMT -5
with the help of Doc Jensen
Another parallel:
Ben and the Others let Oceanic Six in exchange for helping Ben escape, paralleling the agreement to let Michael go if he turns Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley over to them. But of course, even though they were technically allowed to leave, the island wasn't really done with them.
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Post by Lola m on Jun 2, 2008 20:02:04 GMT -5
Oooh, you mean Walt? (Because while I'm still holding out hope against all odds that Jin jumped overboard and survived, I think Michael is definitely dead, what with the being right next to the bomb and Mystical!Island!ChristianorishereallyJacob telling him he was free now/could go now.) That is an excellent point. I mean when Locke said they "all" had to return, how many were involved in that "all"? Like, is Desmond included, even though he was on the Island long before the Losties? Yes; I meant Walt; having a prematurely senior moment, I suppose.
What's intriguing is that, given the fast-forward segments, Locke and the Island appear to be at odds. Didn't Kate or Hurley say that Locke-a.k.a.-Beckham had told them to go back to the Island? Yet, the Claire avatar told Kate specifically to not to go back. And I think a hint of post-exodus trouble was revealed, things haven't gone well for the people on the island...
G.
Yes! So it makes me wonder, is Claire really Claire? Or was that an island vision or just a bad dream, or . . . ? Which instruction is to be believed - return to the Island or stay away?
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